Oh yes, that's entirely possible. Keir Starmer appears to have ruled out an October election. Others (including Corbyn) will likely be chomping at the bit to accept a GE early next week. The latter might of course get their way, which would be a major tactical error.
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Oh yes, that's entirely possible. Keir Starmer appears to have ruled out an October election. Others (including Corbyn) will likely be chomping at the bit to accept a GE early next week. The latter might of course get their way, which would be a major tactical error.
They smelled blood when Cameron was PM, tried to take over themselves by using Brexit as their campaign fuel, royally shat the bed and allowed May to win by default, then they tried stirring it up again hoping May would at least see Brexit through to the end before they would take over. But she didn't and now they're having to deal with the mess that they caused.
It's the only thing about this whole crap ordeal that's delicious.
Yeah I'd rather see a couple more weeks of him frustrated as a lame duck too.
McDonnell seems to be reining more gung ho colleagues in on the election though hopefully.
We are being given a false choice if we think the options are between Tory (currently led by a charlatan) which brought us to this and Lib/Dem and their variants who would rather Brexit than support Labour who actually are interested in what happens to millions and want to prevent us walking off a cliff.
If people do not get what they need they will eventually try and take it themselves, failing which they will blame the immigrants. This scapegoating has been done for years by those in power.
We have seen this film before and it does not have a happy ending.
The only way out is to transfer the pain to those who have been riding the gravy train all these years. They need to pay their fair share and relief needs to be given those who are suffering now and will suffer even more if the worst happens.
If people do not get what they need they will eventually try and take it themselves, failing which they will blame the immigrants. This scapegoating has been done for years by those in power.
We have seen this film before and it does not have a happy ending.
The only way out is to transfer the pain to those who have been riding the gravy train all these years. They need to pay their fair share and relief needs to be given those who are suffering now and will suffer even more if the worst happens.
Can I ask why Hilary Benn was never selected for the top Labour job? Has he got some dark past that I've missed?
I refuse to believe that Momentum is the reason why Labour have Corbyn in charge. He's the type of guy you want to campaign with, but he isn't a leader.
I refuse to believe that Momentum is the reason why Labour have Corbyn in charge. He's the type of guy you want to campaign with, but he isn't a leader.
Labour need to play this very carefully, especially with Corbyn in charge. I'm a huge fan of Jezza, but the media hate him, as do half of his M.P's. Their best bet is most likely waiting for Boris to officially ask for an extension, wait for the next major mistake by The PM or someone close to him, and then strike for a general election. Unfortunately the safest bet would be some sort of electoral pact between Labour, Lib Dems, and The Green Party alongside certain Independents who are shoe-ins. I don't trust the British public to turf out Boris by themselves.
Because Hillary Benn has the charisma of a toastrack?
Hilary 2020.
I haven't seen much of him tbh, it's just that his name always keeps popping up whenever Labour do something in the House that's effective. He might not be a great performer but he appears to be a solid politician. He also seems quite good at getting his point across, albeit through boredom.
Foreign Sec would really suit him, that's about it. He'd bore anybody into submission.
Rees-Mogg said:
Financial Times said:
No way
Scenes when Boris survives a vote of no confidence
Scenes when Boris survives a vote of no confidence
But at least he will finally have won a vote, even if it's one he was trying to lose.No way
Scenes when Boris survives a vote of no confidence
When is a loss a win?
Boris needs to attack the space.
Boris needs to attack the space.
You'd laugh but JRM and others have actually attempted to spin this as the opposition having faith in the PM.
I think the opposition should continue with taking control of the commons calendar and proposing laws that Boris would absolutely hate.
Like:
- Votes for 16yo citizens
- A UK version of the EU bill about disclosure of offshore account holdings
- Big fines for people dying in ditches or laying on HoC benches
- Having to make an in-person appearance, along with the Chancellor of The Exchequer, at the 17th of October European Council meeting.
The Prime Minister to be wearing a "Bollocks to Brexit" t-shirt, the Chancellor "I'm with stupid"
Drive him nuts till he resigns you know?
Like:
- Votes for 16yo citizens
- A UK version of the EU bill about disclosure of offshore account holdings
- Big fines for people dying in ditches or laying on HoC benches
- Having to make an in-person appearance, along with the Chancellor of The Exchequer, at the 17th of October European Council meeting.
The Prime Minister to be wearing a "Bollocks to Brexit" t-shirt, the Chancellor "I'm with stupid"
Drive him nuts till he resigns you know?
Surely even fungi could spot that as utter bullshit?
He gave a great speech about bombing Syria once.
About the serious things (the first 2), they would be opposed by all Tory and DUP members. I'm sure you could also find a very significant portion of liberals/cuks (especially the ex-tories) and a few labour/snp to join the opposition.
Sounds like a threat.
From Guardian comments:
Poster named fishgirl23
Johnson treating parliament like a Wendy House. A sexist, classist, careerist, abusive, lying, pungent tumour. Why he will lose
1. Sacked for making up a quote x3
2. Sacked for lying about an affair
3. Discussed having a journalist beaten up.
4. Endangered a British mum jailed in Iran and forced in parliament to apologise.
5. Called black people 'piccannies'.
6. Mocked Muslim women as 'letterboxes'.
7. Used racist terms to describe Barack Obama.
8. When he propagated the £350m-a-week Brexit lie.
9. Said Turkey was joining the EU - then lied about it.
10. Repeatedly ignored conflict-of-interest rules x 3 in one year!
11. Blew millions on his Garden Bridge ‘vanity project. YOU now meet this cost.
12. Wasted £300,000 on illegal water cannon.
13. Expensive buses became a ‘saunas on wheels’.
14. When he had a blazing row with his partner in her flat. "Get off me". Who the hell would want to work underneath this oaf?
15. When we didn’t know how many children he has (and still don’t).
16. Called gay men 'tank-topped bum boys'.
17. Made a glib remark about ‘dead bodies' in Libya - clear up and turn in to holiday destination.
18. He recited a colonial-era poem in Myanmar.
19. Boasted about whisky in a Sikh temple. Note he was happy to wear a turban. An orange one too. I bet he did not even know the significance of the colour - wisdom and wasted on the buffoon.
20. Wrote a dirty limerick about Turkey’s President and a goat.
21. Insulted the entire city of Liverpool.
22. Insulted the entire country of Papua New Guinea.
23. Said Africa needs its old Colonial powers to come back.
24. Claimed money probing child abuse was 'spaffed up a wall'.
25. Tried to dodge questions over using cocaine.
26. He ‘made up’ a story about small Italian penises.
27. Enraged Italy with a threat about Prosecco.
28. When he called the French ‘turds’ who ‘shafted Britain’.
29. Compared the EU to Adolf Hitler.
30. He proclaimed ‘f*** business’.
31. When he allegedly said ‘f*** the families’ of the 7/7 bombings.
32. Derailed a visit to the Middle East creating a diplomatic storm.
33. Branded Hillary Clinton a ‘sadistic mental health nurse’.
34. Cosied up to a President he called ‘unfit to rule’. And there are two of them!
35. Refused to back our Ambassador to the US and focused on MUKSA - Making the UK Sink Again.
36. Took a £20,000 flight to avoid scrutiny on Heathrow Airport. What a cheat and yellow chicken.
37. Branded his £250k-a-year pocket money ‘chicken feed’.
And finally… when he summed up why all this helps him stay in power: Twattish twatological twattishpheric twatterdom!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695#comments-section
38. The estuary airport: est£10m. The cableway: est £24m. Olympic Stadium: est £230m. The ‘new’ Crystal Palace: £4.5m.
39. Insulting the low-paid of London - people will struggle to get on in life because of their low IQs.
40. Advocated leaving the EU but to build a channel bridge to remain connected.
41. Idea for the Backstop was to build a bridge linking UK to Ireland. No joke!
42. January 2018, said the pledge of £350m a week was “grossly underestimated”, claiming that leaving the EU would free up £438m for the health service.
43. Peddled absurd EU myths – and the MSM followed his lead.
44. As Foreign Secretary, his 2015 visit to Palestine cut short due to his pro-Israel remarks.
45. Offended the people of Papua New Guinea by calling them cannibals. He was FS!
46. Described Black American basketball players as having "arms hanging below their knees and tongues sticking out".
47. The day before appearing as advocate against FGM, mocked the “obsession” of women aid workers ending FGM. Now illegal in UK.
48. Cost taxpayers est. £323 million with bungled Olympic Stadium conversion.
49. Johnson argued that London’s soaring property prices are “the right problem to have” after advocating affordable homes.
50. Told EU leaders to, "go whistle" over divorce Bill.
51. Johnson suggested Labour politician to “get stuffed” for daring to ask about cuts to the London Fire Service. On his watch too!
52. Called for Scottish people to be blocked from becoming prime minister because "government by a Scot is just not conceivable."
53. Sacked 21 Tory MPs because Cummings told him to do it.
54. Making history to becoming the shortest serving PM.
55. Lost every debate and vote.
56. The pièces de résistance – ‘A tribute to The Johnson’, by Martin Rowson:
https://martinrowson.wordpress.com/...for-tribune-5th-october-2017-on-boris-johnson
WELCOME TO YOUR NEW PM!!!
Poster named fishgirl23
Johnson treating parliament like a Wendy House. A sexist, classist, careerist, abusive, lying, pungent tumour. Why he will lose
1. Sacked for making up a quote x3
2. Sacked for lying about an affair
3. Discussed having a journalist beaten up.
4. Endangered a British mum jailed in Iran and forced in parliament to apologise.
5. Called black people 'piccannies'.
6. Mocked Muslim women as 'letterboxes'.
7. Used racist terms to describe Barack Obama.
8. When he propagated the £350m-a-week Brexit lie.
9. Said Turkey was joining the EU - then lied about it.
10. Repeatedly ignored conflict-of-interest rules x 3 in one year!
11. Blew millions on his Garden Bridge ‘vanity project. YOU now meet this cost.
12. Wasted £300,000 on illegal water cannon.
13. Expensive buses became a ‘saunas on wheels’.
14. When he had a blazing row with his partner in her flat. "Get off me". Who the hell would want to work underneath this oaf?
15. When we didn’t know how many children he has (and still don’t).
16. Called gay men 'tank-topped bum boys'.
17. Made a glib remark about ‘dead bodies' in Libya - clear up and turn in to holiday destination.
18. He recited a colonial-era poem in Myanmar.
19. Boasted about whisky in a Sikh temple. Note he was happy to wear a turban. An orange one too. I bet he did not even know the significance of the colour - wisdom and wasted on the buffoon.
20. Wrote a dirty limerick about Turkey’s President and a goat.
21. Insulted the entire city of Liverpool.
22. Insulted the entire country of Papua New Guinea.
23. Said Africa needs its old Colonial powers to come back.
24. Claimed money probing child abuse was 'spaffed up a wall'.
25. Tried to dodge questions over using cocaine.
26. He ‘made up’ a story about small Italian penises.
27. Enraged Italy with a threat about Prosecco.
28. When he called the French ‘turds’ who ‘shafted Britain’.
29. Compared the EU to Adolf Hitler.
30. He proclaimed ‘f*** business’.
31. When he allegedly said ‘f*** the families’ of the 7/7 bombings.
32. Derailed a visit to the Middle East creating a diplomatic storm.
33. Branded Hillary Clinton a ‘sadistic mental health nurse’.
34. Cosied up to a President he called ‘unfit to rule’. And there are two of them!
35. Refused to back our Ambassador to the US and focused on MUKSA - Making the UK Sink Again.
36. Took a £20,000 flight to avoid scrutiny on Heathrow Airport. What a cheat and yellow chicken.
37. Branded his £250k-a-year pocket money ‘chicken feed’.
And finally… when he summed up why all this helps him stay in power: Twattish twatological twattishpheric twatterdom!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/37-lies-gaffes-scandals-make-18558695#comments-section
38. The estuary airport: est£10m. The cableway: est £24m. Olympic Stadium: est £230m. The ‘new’ Crystal Palace: £4.5m.
39. Insulting the low-paid of London - people will struggle to get on in life because of their low IQs.
40. Advocated leaving the EU but to build a channel bridge to remain connected.
41. Idea for the Backstop was to build a bridge linking UK to Ireland. No joke!
42. January 2018, said the pledge of £350m a week was “grossly underestimated”, claiming that leaving the EU would free up £438m for the health service.
43. Peddled absurd EU myths – and the MSM followed his lead.
44. As Foreign Secretary, his 2015 visit to Palestine cut short due to his pro-Israel remarks.
45. Offended the people of Papua New Guinea by calling them cannibals. He was FS!
46. Described Black American basketball players as having "arms hanging below their knees and tongues sticking out".
47. The day before appearing as advocate against FGM, mocked the “obsession” of women aid workers ending FGM. Now illegal in UK.
48. Cost taxpayers est. £323 million with bungled Olympic Stadium conversion.
49. Johnson argued that London’s soaring property prices are “the right problem to have” after advocating affordable homes.
50. Told EU leaders to, "go whistle" over divorce Bill.
51. Johnson suggested Labour politician to “get stuffed” for daring to ask about cuts to the London Fire Service. On his watch too!
52. Called for Scottish people to be blocked from becoming prime minister because "government by a Scot is just not conceivable."
53. Sacked 21 Tory MPs because Cummings told him to do it.
54. Making history to becoming the shortest serving PM.
55. Lost every debate and vote.
56. The pièces de résistance – ‘A tribute to The Johnson’, by Martin Rowson:
https://martinrowson.wordpress.com/...for-tribune-5th-october-2017-on-boris-johnson
WELCOME TO YOUR NEW PM!!!
I don't fully understand where Rees Mogg gets his confidence.
I don't wish to appear like I condone bullying, but there can't be many schools on the planet where he wouldn't have ended up with at least a small stammer or a nervous twitch?
I don't wish to appear like I condone bullying, but there can't be many schools on the planet where he wouldn't have ended up with at least a small stammer or a nervous twitch?
He didn't go to the same schools as you and me.
Important to be able to take a hot buttered crumpet from behind without blubbing.
It's sort of remarkable how bad he is at it. I'd always thought that the idea his bumbling persona was all just a facade and that he was actually this sociopath genius on the inside was massively overplayed - even if there is an element of truth to the fact that he plays up his persona for the cameras - but it's been a surreal treat to see how shit he really is.
It's what happens when you get an utterly vacuous shell of a politician. For as much as I don't like them, I'd argue the likes of Gove, Javid etc have governing philosophies when it comes to their views, even if they're philosophies I abhor, but with Boris there's just an empty nothingness.
A lot of politics is show but he's like the personification of that. The only difference is that he's not even polished or impressive at all anyway.
He's a one-off. Supremely self-confident, oddly eccentric, massively privileged. Just read his Wiki page.
It's the confidence of an odious entitled prick, from the day he was born he's had everythig his way and everything he wants, it's the arrogance of someone who has never been told no, and never had to pay a price for his actions.
To be fair he has apologized, still a cnut mind.
This is what will happen barring another situation where the DUP are propping up the Tories. If Farage and Johnson get a majority in their own right they’ll throw Doddsy, Snarlene and Co under the bus and it will be beautiful. Impossible to call what way a GE will go though.
Just like the opposition have faith in OGS
That's a bit harsh on OGS, I'd like to think that he is still respected even if no one fears him, but yesJust like the opposition have faith in OGS
. It's more like opposition strikers having confidence in Karius, who shares Boris' ability to look completely incompetent and yet arrogant at the same time. (And the hair!)Edit: Karius' girlfriend looks better though.
No way
Scenes when Boris survives a vote of no confidence
That's..... actually not a bad move is it? Labour are either forced to support Boris, or vote against him and give them the GE that they want.
Well it's risky because there is a 14 day period to try and form a new government. Highly unlikely, but there's a chance a GNU could then be formed.
There is no easy way for Johnson to get his election.
Yes and no
The difference is it's a confidence vote is that once Johnson fails there is a 14 day period for somebody else to form a government by showing they can carry a majority of the house of commons
I think it's unlikely anybody can... Unless labour (well Corbyn really) would coalesce around say Ken Clarke.
But it does mean that it would be 2 weeks till Johnson could call an election... Presumably he would have to recall the house of commons (I am presuming this is possible during prorogation) but given the lead in time an election requires it would (I think) mean the election would be after the EU summit and after the extension bill kicks in
Johnson might have to accept that as the only way he can get an election called but it's not exactly on the dates he wanted plus the small.risk of a gnu
Is that a sign that the Trumpian tactics they were employing are not working?
One thing about how our parliamentary democracy works is that these politicians get directly and publicly challenged on their views in commons on a fairly regular basis. It seems in America that the President is deified and protected from real scrutiny and having to qualify their views and actions.
Imagine if Trump had to do an equivalent to PMQs, it would surely be the ruin of him.
There is a plan here and they are working to it.
Boris is playing a role; the Trump role.
1. Appear strong, dramatise your 'winning' moments
2. Pick 3 popular, politicaly incorrect themes, and pursue them relentlessly
3. Appear vulnerable, dramatise your 'losing' moments. This creates empathy, a kind of melodrama.
4. Be a soap opera leader with whom the powerless empathise. Having 'witnessed' the best of you and the worst of you, they have started to care if you live or die (thus, "I'd rather die in a ditch")
Each little drama will have a beginning, a middle and an end. Your audience, jaded and cynical around 'regular'/'establishment'/'career' politics, know that's its a scam, its disruption, even vandalism, but we are all in on it.
This is a well thought-out formula, based on market research and mass psychology. It's the millennarian fervour theory, the idea of the outsider king, the doomed hero. This pits a real politican against a make-believe one. Will it work again?
Boris is playing a role; the Trump role.
1. Appear strong, dramatise your 'winning' moments
2. Pick 3 popular, politicaly incorrect themes, and pursue them relentlessly
3. Appear vulnerable, dramatise your 'losing' moments. This creates empathy, a kind of melodrama.
4. Be a soap opera leader with whom the powerless empathise. Having 'witnessed' the best of you and the worst of you, they have started to care if you live or die (thus, "I'd rather die in a ditch")
Each little drama will have a beginning, a middle and an end. Your audience, jaded and cynical around 'regular'/'establishment'/'career' politics, know that's its a scam, its disruption, even vandalism, but we are all in on it.
This is a well thought-out formula, based on market research and mass psychology. It's the millennarian fervour theory, the idea of the outsider king, the doomed hero. This pits a real politican against a make-believe one. Will it work again?