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[Massive Spanner]

It's unfortunate many unsavoury characters attached themselves to leave.

Yeah, what a coincidence..

 

[CassiusClaymore]

It's unfortunate many unsavoury characters attached themselves to leave.

Flies are generally attracted to turds.

 

[WensleyMU]

Yeah, what a coincidence..

Let's not get excited, there are many on the remain side also. Tony Blair has more blood than the entirety of the hard right leavers, for example.

The thing is, leavers like me aren't willing to support these scumbags because they happen to vote the same way as me on a single issue.

 

[Jacko21]

Watching PMQs.

Disappointed Emily Thornberry isn't in her usual position and sat to the left of Corbyn. Her facial expressions and mutterings are usually priceless.

Also, Boris has just called Corbyn a chlorinated chicken.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Let's not get excited, there are many on the remain side also. Tony Blair has more blood than the entirety of the hard right leavers, for example.

The thing is, leavers like me aren't willing to support these scumbags because they happen to vote the same way as me on a single issue.

So are the reasons you voted on this issue different than the reasons they listed? Immigration, more NHS money, "taking back control" etc.

 

[SteveJ]

Boris has just called Corbyn a chlorinated chicken.

A country that jailed Oscar Wilde now has this waste of a classical education as its Prime Minister; England defined.

 

[MadMike]

Yeah, what a coincidence..

I was having that discussion pre-referendum with a friend of mine, in his mid-20s, who was a eurosceptic and intended vote leaver but not an idiotic nationalist. He believed in the single market but not the supra-national political project of the EU. So he intended to vote leave on those grounds.

I explained to him how the campaign will be hijacked by nationalists and extremists who shout the loudest. How it will sow deep division, wreck the political system and generally get very ugly very quickly. How his vote, even though well meaning, will enable all of that.

He said I was exaggerating. He's starting to understand now...

 

[Sassy Colin]

So Parliament have had to put a rocket up Boris's arse to get him to actually do something?

 

[Sassy Colin]

A country that jailed Oscar Wilde now has this waste of a classical education as its Prime Minister; England defined.

Um, what?

 

[SteveJ]

Um, what?

I was referring to Johnson's entire lack of wit and decorum. And how the old-school connections which have haunted England for centuries enable chancers like Johnson to prosper and succeed.

 

[Maticmaker]

I was having that discussion pre-referendum with a friend of mine, in his mid-20s, who was a eurosceptic and intended vote leaver but not an idiotic nationalist. He believed in the single market but not the supra-national political project of the EU. So he intended to vote leave on those grounds.

I explained to him how the campaign will be hijacked by nationalists and extremists who shout the loudest. How it will sow deep division, wreck the political system and generally get very ugly very quickly. How his vote, even though well meaning, will enable all of that.

He said I was exaggerating. He's starting to understand now...

But has he changed his mind now?

 

[The Firestarter]

Listening to BoJo stuttering made me realise he is the David Moyes of politics.

 

[Hammerfell]

I was referring to Johnson's entire lack of wit and decorum. And how the old-school connections which have haunted England for centuries enable chancers like Johnson to prosper and succeed.

Your point seemed more than clear to me.

 

[owlo]

Interesting. Are you defining 'play nice' as actually standing down to let the other party have a free run?

Play nice was originally supposed to be defined in the spreadsheet as 'fielding a weaker candidate and not campaigning too much to hurt them' but it seems to have been conflated in some instances with a pact of not standing at all so is not consistent sorry.

 

[MadMike]

I'll clarify. Dump them out of power for 10-20 years, rewrite the electoral landscape, and push out the more moderate MP's in place of hard righters.

Destroyed is subjective I guess!

I don't know about that. There's every chance they could win the election.

And after that they have 5 years where they can play the blame game, saying Remainers caused this by not respecting the referendum result in the first place and giving the country no other option than No Deal. That the alternative was Corbyn Marxism and this was the least bad option.

If you think the electorate won't lap this up, you think very highly of them.

 

[WensleyMU]

So are the reasons you voted on this issue different than the reasons they listed? Immigration, more NHS money, "taking back control" etc.

Fair immigration for all, whether from within the EU, or outside.

It's incredibly difficult for people from outside the EU to get citizenship, very expensive and if they want to travel around the EU, they then have a whole host of hoops to jump through.

 

[owlo]

Hahaha, BJ is trying to be like Trump with his names by parroting on 'Absurd Surrender deal' all the time.

 

[MadMike]

But has he changed his mind now?

His stance has softened, but he's also holding some hope yet. He now says that the referendum probably shouldn't have happened, for the reasons mentioned.
But he does still want to see Brexit since it's been voted, though obviously not No Deal of the Tories.
He's a Labour voter anyway, so he'll vote Corbyn and the unicorns of a different deal that will hopefully get through parliament this time 100%.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Fair immigration for all, whether from within the EU, or outside.

It's incredibly difficult for people from outside the EU to get citizenship, very expensive and if they want to travel around the EU, they then have a whole host of hoops to jump through.

So you are prepared to risk the economy of the UK and destroy all the trade agreements, restrict UK citizens being able to live and travel throughout the EU because you're concerned that some chap from Nepal may not get UK citizenship?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Fair immigration for all, whether from within the EU, or outside.

It's incredibly difficult for people from outside the EU to get citizenship, very expensive and if they want to travel around the EU, they then have a whole host of hoops to jump through.

But the UK sets its own laws on non EU Immigration, and there were more non-EU immigrants to the UK than EU immigrants last year, so that renders your argument ... null and void.

Let's say that was the case though, are you happy for "fair immigration" to result in a hard border in Ireland, a massive drop off in the UK economy and your own citizens to have many of their current rights to travel and work in Europe revoked?

 

[TheGame]

What did he do?

 

[TheGame]

Let's not get excited, there are many on the remain side also. Tony Blair has more blood than the entirety of the hard right leavers, for example.

The thing is, leavers like me aren't willing to support these scumbags because they happen to vote the same way as me on a single issue.

The same Blair who won 3 General Elections even after the Iraq war. Not quite sure you can compare that to Farage who lost to someone dressed as a Dolphin.

 

[WensleyMU]

So you are prepared to risk the economy of the UK and destroy all the trade agreements, restrict UK citizens being able to live and travel throughout the EU because you're concerned that some chap from Nepal may not get UK citizenship?

Nope, we should continue to deal with the EU, just without having to preference EU citizens.

What's wrong with people from Nepal?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Nope, we should continue to deal with the EU, just without having to preference EU citizens.

What's wrong with people from Nepal?

But you don't give preference. You had more non EU migrants than EU migrants last year.

So what's your argument?

 

[WensleyMU]

The same Blair who won 3 General Elections even after the Iraq war. Not quite sure you can compare that to Farage who lost to someone dressed as a Dolphin.

Did you see the Tory party back then?

I mean come on, even Corbyn would have won an election back then.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Nope, we should continue to deal with the EU, just without having to preference EU citizens.

What's wrong with people from Nepal?

Sure, I agree in principle with you, but why did you think that throwing your lot in with people who are vehemently anti-immigration would make it easier for those non-EU citizens rather than just harder for EU citizens?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Nope, we should continue to deal with the EU, just without having to preference EU citizens.

What's wrong with people from Nepal?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with people from Nepal. Why is this so important to you, you care so much about non-EU people but don't care about UK citizens and want to restrict their rights?

 

[kidbob]

What a giant waste of time this is. Every question is just answered with "look at your own party". No substance. Hard to believe that these idiots are in charge of a country.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'm just laughing at the comparison right now

Maybe easier access to the UK for non EU nationals

vs

Potentially returning one of your countries back into a state of violence
A tanked economy
Fecking over your own nations kids right to travel and work in Europe
Fecking over EU nationals already in the UK


Oooof, which side to choose??

 

[CassiusClaymore]

I'm just laughing at the comparison right now

Maybe easier access to the UK for non EU nationals

vs

Potentially returning one of your countries back into a state of violence
A tanked economy
Fecking over your own nations kids right to travel and work in Europe
Fecking over EU nationals already in the UK


Oooof, which side to choose??

Almost like it's not true.

 

[Raees]

I was referring to Johnson's entire lack of wit and decorum. And how the old-school connections which have haunted England for centuries enable chancers like Johnson to prosper and succeed.

Totally agree.

 

[golden_blunder]

Fair immigration for all, whether from within the EU, or outside.

It's incredibly difficult for people from outside the EU to get citizenship, very expensive and if they want to travel around the EU, they then have a whole host of hoops to jump through.

That’s the only reason you voted leave?

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Somewhere, David Cameron is absolutely pissing himself laughing.

He is a bigger cnut then Boris.

 

[Cheesy]

Fair immigration for all, whether from within the EU, or outside.

It's incredibly difficult for people from outside the EU to get citizenship, very expensive and if they want to travel around the EU, they then have a whole host of hoops to jump through.

This is often said, but if we were to cut immigration down to the tens of thousands - as basically any Leaver and indeed lots of Remainers had been arguing in favour of for years - you'd inevitably end up cutting down non-EU immigration as well because that's also in the hundreds of thousands. If you want open immigration for everyone, from everywhere, then you inevitably have to accept a substantial increase in the net migration numbers. And if you are, then that's fair enough, but that can surely be introduced while inside the EU? Again the government have control only non-EU immigration...it's just that they obviously don't want more people coming to Britain. In such a case you've got to wonder if backing their political project is therefore a wise idea for someone who's pro-immigration.

 

[Sassy Colin]

He is a bigger cnut then Boris.

Don't be ridiculous, I get a bit fed up with all this "It's Cameron's fault!"

 

[Smores]

The tweet by DUP on the last page is probably referring to the proposals that were leaked to politico (defera report or something).

I had a look through but they're key word level analysis and include suggestions like 'Artificial intelligence' and 'Internet of Things'. The one thing it did call out was that tech couldn't solve the agriculture side which Boris alluded to yesterday saying they'd need an agreement on it. That will be the proposal, ask the EU for one element to be regulated and the rest we'll try cover with tech.

 

[Rajma]

I do hope Corbyn rejects GE after the no-deal bill passes today, right wingers would self-destruct then.

 

[WensleyMU]

That’s the only reason you voted leave?

Of course not but I don't think it's worth continuing on for a bunch of snide remarks.

 

[golden_blunder]

Don't be ridiculous, I get a bit fed up with all this "It's Cameron's fault!"

Was his fault for opening up the referendum just because UKIP were getting noisy.
However he’s far from the worst Tory never mind PM. What’s come after him has been much worse

 

[golden_blunder]

Of course not but I don't think it's worth continuing on for a bunch of snide remarks.

Well I for one would like to understand where you’re coming from because voting leave for that reason alone seems a bit bonkers