Oh dear. Bercow just had to tell the chancellor off for veering off topic in the spending review statement.
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Especially when it's something that could quite conceivably be achieved inside the EU. There'd be nothing stopping a government from allowing non-EU migrants to enter as easy as EU ones.
It was his fault though. He built his political career as a high stakes gambler and figured he might as well do the same with the EU question. The moment he lost a hand, he quit the game and left the party and country in the hands of incompetents and radicals.
He is the direct triggering cause of the madness. With a wiser prime minister none of this would have happened, and even if it did, would have been better mitigated.
In a way this is alle Scotlands fault though. If they had voted yes to independence, Cameron would have resigned, Miliband might have won the election and we'd all be singing kumbaya
How is it not his fault? The referendum was basically an ego trip for him, and he's fecked the country because of it.
I agree that Cameron's gamble on the referendum was the single biggest error in all this, by a long way too but there was no way he could have continued as Prime Minister after he lost. Him and Osbourne were committed remainers.
Actually there would, because they would then have access to FoM and could quite easily move outside the UK, effectively using the UK as a means to get to another EU country.
Which is why no EU member does this, because it impacts all EU members.
There has to be some checks and balances in place, but there doesn't need to be a massive cost and an excessive time frame involved.
Consider this. Many people are worried about EU migrants futures in the UK. They can't settle or plan futures because of uncertainty. Well that's what non EU migrants deal with every day.
While more people do come from outside the EU, a majority of them do not remain here, which is due in part to the difficulty in getting citizenship.
Incredible
Voting to leave the EU doesn't automatically mean bitter-rushed No-Deal Hard Brexit. The Rebel Tories understand that.
Everything else is pointless or beating around the bush.
Everything else is pointless or beating around the bush.
Still not getting why non-EU rules are getting you so passionate. Are you married to a non-EU immigrant?
So you voted for the Uk to leave the EU because you want to make it easier for immigrants to the Uk to travel around the EU?
Are you sure you thought this through?
The Tory party is imploding and has been for a while and he is not even close to beating them at the moment. My point was Blair has earnt the write to comment and a lot of what he says about Brexit is spot on.
Im pretty certain no leave voter thought anything through
You are talking about UK immigration rules not EU immigration rules.
Each EU country has their own different regulations for non-EU immigrants.
The cost of me getting french citizenship was a tiny fraction of what it would have cost me to get British citizenship if I was originally french.
Basically you're objecting to UK immigration rules and voted to leave because of it??
Ken Clarke having the whip withdrawn is a bit sad.
The EU has completely failed to control illegal immigration. Period.
That doesn't automatically translate into a Trump-sponsored No-Deal Hard Brexit.
That doesn't automatically translate into a Trump-sponsored No-Deal Hard Brexit.
It was also dismissed as project fear. You can't take the words of your defeated opponent and claim them as support for your own position later on, which is what the leavers have been doing with the no deal thing.
If Brexit was a vote to leave the single market, why didn’t campaigners say so?
Read that and tell me she isn't the governments lapdog. She always uses the arguments and language of the government and not in a quotation kind of way. Collaborating, Sabotage...
Obviously when it's aimed at Corbyn loads of you clap like demented seals but she's a disgrace.
The Tory Party is in a far, far worse state now than in the mid 90s, not even close.
Find it quite funny, myself.
Yes it's his fault in one way and with such a decision there should've been a 60% majority.
Trouble is UKIP at the time was taking a lot of votes from Con/Lab so the issue had to be faced and with a 52% vote in favour of leaving shows the anti EU feeling was very much there otherwise UKIP keeps on going.
People and media just underestimated how close it would be let alone losing. The referendum was coming whether it's Cameron or not due to half the country wanting out. The political process was being undermined by the issue so it's difficult to not face it. Even with a majority of say 55-60%, the problem rumbles on with more leave optimism growing after polls would've shown 52%.
Ultimately it's not a Cameron issue but the people of the UK brought it to be.
Looks like a fairly reasonable analysis to me. Especially bearing in mind the obligation she has to be impartial.
And when she isn't the BBC will just refuse to accept the ruling.
A straight forward, demonstrable, lie.
Just confirms that Corbynites have an amazing ability to take offence from the most banal stuff.
I was applying to jobs in UK and every recruiter told me we must first prove we dont have anyone as skilled in the UK, then from EU and finally everyone else as a third pool.
Brexit aside I think this sounds like a very damaging policy to get skilled labored in your country. America has dominated technology and medicine by letting in high skilled immigrants from anywhere throughout the previous decades.
Brexit aside I think this sounds like a very damaging policy to get skilled labored in your country. America has dominated technology and medicine by letting in high skilled immigrants from anywhere throughout the previous decades.
Kuenssberg is a BJ FanGirl. Not much anyone can do about it, except ignore.
I watch sky news just to avoid her.
Really? Political Editor gives a political analysis shocker.
It's not a good or particularly rigorous analysis, that feels like it's been typed up in 30 mins, but it's not a disgrace.
Yep, I read that when it was a shorter “by the minute update” style piece in between lots of other journalists updates yesterday and I’m not at all surprised to see that she’s had it promoted to a standalone article.
She doesn’t even bother pretending to be objective anymore and why should she when she’s already been found guilty of breaking the impartiality guidelines and faced no consequences despite her critical role as political editor?
Using the language and arguments of one side especially when it's been raised as being reprehensible is not impartial.
There's many ways she could phrase her analysis, language matters
Boris taking an absolute hammering today
As well you may.
For me I have always considered him a reasonable guy. He has been around since I became old enough to vote and that is a long time.
I know the form. Someone on here will trawl the internet for mistakes that he made but overall he was a good bloke in my opinion and it is quite sad to see him go like this.
But hey don't all political careers end in failure?
I don't know about his mistakes I just know his life's work is voting to make the lives of poor people worse.
Is “sabotage” necessarily pejorative though? Hunt saboteurs, for example, don’t seem to mind. That’s the only potentially dodgy turn of phrase she uses. There’s no way you can convince me that accusing someone of collaborating is an insult.
Definitely Cummings strategy going to plan. He was caught goading Corbyn after the vote last night whilst being drunk
I forget whether you live in the UK or not, but accusing someone of being a 'collaborator' is an incredibly loaded political term that has recently been discussed widely in the papers here because of its usage by Johnson.
There's absolutely no way someone in Kuenssberg's position would be unaware of that and if she hasn't made the connection of what's being implied by whichever source fed her that line then she's even more unsuitable for her job than her record already suggests she is.
Well if you subscribe to the opinion that all Tories are heartless cnuts then I can see where you are coming from.
I never agreed with Tony Benn's politics but I admired him as a person of character who never sold out his principles for personal gain and I rank Ken Clarke in that category.