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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Ramshock said:
Can anyone deny that Brexit was about rich people not wanting to pay taxes that they have been hiding and using poor racists to vote for leave in the referendum?
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That's interesting because some of the longest running anti EU sentiment comes from the hard left.

And I am quite certain that the majority race throughout the EU is Caucasian, which happens to be the majority race in the United Kingdom.

So it's probably not a case of rich people and racists voting leave. Some did, but then some also voted to remain.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Neither have any substance, so what are you left with?

No one has any substance.
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I don't think politicians are devoid of substance. They are no instagram models. The substance is the policies that they espouse and the politics they represent. And it's substantial because it leads to decision making and legislation that affects the citizenry and sometimes (depending on country and circumstance) the whole world. There's nothing insubstantial in that.
 
MadMike said:
It's an indictment of democracy that charisma and appearances matter more than substance. Arguably people who engage with politics only on a surface level would be doing a greater service to their democracies by not voting.
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Vast majority of people don't want to get deeply involved in politics because its fairly complex (to the average Joe), its very dry and its bloody depressing.

Democracy is just the least bad system about.
 
SteveJ said:
That's wilfully disingenuous.
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He is right. There's many European countries, including this one, where the far left see the EU as some sort of imperialistic vehicle for the elites. The far right and far left have been united in their dislike of the EU for different reasons and in some countries (Italy, Greece) they have even formed coalition governments under that very banner.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Just reading that sentence back makes me realise how completely bonkers our political system is.
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In this day and age it probably is, this is mainly because we do not have a written constitution. Everything is set by precedent, if there is no precedent then effectively someone makes it up! Also one of the things that at first glance may not be obvious, but is, is that we are all subjects of the Crown, we refer to ourselves as citizens of the UK, but what does that mean, if there is no written constitution that guarantees our future freedoms and such are based only on what happened in the past? (remember, so called Human Rights Acts can be reversed)

Will any future Government ever again put forward a binary choice in a referendum, without stating what size of outcome result will be considered as an acceptable majority? Come to think of it will any future Government ever offer a referendum again... unless a written Constitution guarantees it?

Brexit is a massive watershed for everyone in the UK, its political and social reverberations will be felt long after any economic disturbance has died away. Whether there will still be a UK, whether the 'English' will get their own parliament, whether Brexit will eventually lead to at least a referendum on a united Ireland, and to Scottish Independence, or even the first Marxist PM? Everything to play for and an exciting time to be alive really... if you want to look at it that way?
 
MadMike said:
He is right. There's many European countries, including this one, where the far left see the EU as some sort of imperialistic vehicle for the elites. The far right and far left have been united in their dislike of the EU for different reasons and in some countries (Italy, Greece) they have even formed coalition governments under that very banner.
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I wouldn't deny all that yet, for decades, anti-European sentiment has been a feature of the Conservative Party.
 
MadMike said:
While I also believe Corbyn to be somewhat useless, it's amazing how the Tory PR machine have managed to convince large swathes of the nation's voters that he's unelectable and dangerous.
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I'll be honest, i think his handling (well lack of) of the anti-semitism within his own party shows he's not even ready to tackle bigger issues. That is my bug bear with him.
 
MadMike said:
It's an indictment of democracy that charisma and appearances matter more than substance. Arguably people who engage with politics only on a surface level would be doing a greater service to their democracies by not voting.
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Nothing new though is it?

People want someone who looks like a Prime Minister and sounds like a Prime Minister. Image is everything. Look at how Theresa May softened her appearance. Look at how Boris shaped his prior to the leadership bid. Look at how Osborne changed his image in anticipation of taking the reigns from Cameron.

In an ideal world full of principles and value, what someone looks like and sounds like in politics wouldn't come into it, but we don't live in said world - it's partly why Labour have been out of power for nine years, because the Labour membership somehow concluded that Ed Miliband could be Prime Minister and when they were emphatically proved wrong, they replaced him with Jeremy Corbyn.

I find it inconceivable that any party should elect a leader without first asking, does this man or women look and sound like a future PM? Because if the answer isn't a resounding yes, you risk hamstringing yourself from the get-go. It's a dose of populism. And you have to be prepared to take your medicine if it means getting you into power.

Now watch Corbyn and his ill-fitting brown suits prove me wrong. :lol:
 
WensleyMU said:
It really isn't. But if people want to pretend otherwise to keep up their pretence of outrage, fine.
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You're giving yourself away with a response like that; it's inches away from the thoroughly & rightly discredited 'snowflake'.
 
SteveJ said:
You're giving yourself away with a response like that; it's inches away from the thoroughly & rightly discredited 'snowflake'.
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I just dont think dismissing something because it doesn't fit their view is the right way to go.
 
I bet Corbyn would be shit hosting Have i got news for you too. What an unfit PM lolz am i rite?

He wasn't even at the Brexit rallies this weekend, no where to be seen according to the BBC and channel 4
 
Jacko21 said:
Nothing new though is it?

People want someone who looks like a Prime Minister and sounds like a Prime Minister. Image is everything. Look at how Theresa May softened her appearance. Look at how Boris shaped his prior to the leadership bid. Look at how Osborne changed his image in anticipation of taking the reigns from Cameron.

In an ideal world full of principles and value, what someone looks like and sounds like in politics wouldn't come into it, but we don't live in said world - it's partly why Labour have been out of power for nine years, because the Labour membership somehow concluded that Ed Miliband could be Prime Minister and when they were emphatically proved wrong, they replaced him with Jeremy Corbyn.

I find it inconceivable that any party should elect a leader without first asking, does this man or women look and sound like a future PM? Because if the answer isn't a resounding yes, you risk hamstringing yourself from the get-go. It's a dose of populism. And you have to be prepared to take your medicine if it means getting you into power.

Now watch Corbyn and his ill-fitting brown suits prove me wrong. :lol:
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It's definitely nothing new, it's as old as democracy. It's just a little sad and a clear weak point of this political system.

And yes, while it's sad, it is what it is at the moment. So parties should take into account the image of the people they put at the helm and how they appear to the wider electorate, than just their voter base, if they want to maximise their chances of getting into power.
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
Vast majority of people don't want to get deeply involved in politics because its fairly complex (to the average Joe), its very dry and its bloody depressing.
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I can understand that. But if you don't want to get involved in, and be informed about, politics then maybe you shouldn't vote? Not talking about a withdrawal of your right to vote from the government or anything. But more as an act of self-awareness that maybe you're not well placed to make a decision on something you know little about and have only a superficial interest in.
 
WensleyMU said:
And I am quite certain that the majority race throughout the EU is Caucasian, which happens to be the majority race in the United Kingdom.
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I think you'll find that Caucasians are indigenous to North India, Pakistan, Afghanistan as well as the EU, so if you think that just by being Caucasian they are not racially abused here in the UK, you're wrong. Caucasian doesn't mean you're white.

Also, do you think the people who were moaning about foreign languages on trains were checking if they were Caucasian, or even brown? Just another strawman from you Wensley
 
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I do wonder if the PLP are planning to bring Corbyn down during the conference...
 
owlo said:
I do wonder if the PLP are planning to bring Corbyn down during the conference...
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there probably wont be a conference if a ge is called
If there was a conference I suspect the main priority of members would be to sort out a more coherent brexit policy

I guess if a GE is called it will be down to the leadership rather than the members to decide the policy if there is no conference?
 
The capitalist media have done an absolutely excellent job of destroying Corbyn and his credibility. One of the best cases of character assassination I've ever seen in politics. It's also a sad state of affairs for the intelligence of the British electorate that Boris has any credibility as an MP, let alone PM.
 
JakeC said:
The capitalist media have done an absolutely excellent job of destroying Corbyn and his credibility. One of the best cases of character assassination I've ever seen in politics. It's also a sad state of affairs for the intelligence of the British electorate that Boris has any credibility as an MP, let alone PM.
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Corbyn doesn’t need much help to destroy his credibility, to be fair.
 
WensleyMU said:
That's interesting because some of the longest running anti EU sentiment comes from the hard left.

And I am quite certain that the majority race throughout the EU is Caucasian, which happens to be the majority race in the United Kingdom.

So it's probably not a case of rich people and racists voting leave. Some did, but then some also voted to remain.
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Seems like all your posts are completely disingenuous.
 
sun_tzu said:
what time does the commons start today? is it two or half two?

Im half expecting something along these lines
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Where's Prescott when you need him!

I love that video every time i see it. There's a brilliant awkwardness to it all.
 
JakeC said:
The capitalist media have done an absolutely excellent job of destroying Corbyn and his credibility. One of the best cases of character assassination I've ever seen in politics. It's also a sad state of affairs for the intelligence of the British electorate that Boris has any credibility as an MP, let alone PM.
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Yeah .They said labour under Corbyn will be wiped out in the last election .
 
JakeC said:
The capitalist media have done an absolutely excellent job of destroying Corbyn and his credibility. One of the best cases of character assassination I've ever seen in politics. It's also a sad state of affairs for the intelligence of the British electorate that Boris has any credibility as an MP, let alone PM.
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Indeed. The question for the Labour members is where do they go from here. Do they continue to support someone who is closely aligned with their ideals but is unlikely to be elected or do they go for someone else? There must be candidates who they can espouse and that can appear more competent (ergo, harder to perform character assassination on) than Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn.
 
At this stage, just make Danny Dyer PM. I mean it's clear things are going completely down the shitter for the UK now so you may as well have a proper laugh whilst doing it.
 
Massive Spanner said:
At this stage, just make Danny Dyer PM. I mean it's clear things are going completely down the shitter for the UK now so you may as well have a proper laugh whilst doing it.
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Afraid the man currently in post is already a bigger clown.
 
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