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nickm said:
Putting a new leader into this Labour party might help a bit but it's lipstick on a pig, frankly. People don't seem to trust or like Labour very much and that's about policies as much as leadership.

Also this idea that it's the media's fault... it's really not. It's Labour's.
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Again. I have to agree with you. It is completely the fault of Labour that they have chosen to be led by Corbyn. They voted for him after all.
As to whether the media or Corbyn himself is to blame for his image I would venture 50/50.
This country needs a proper opposition to Boris Johnson and his thug of a political advisor and I really do hope Cummings fails in his convoluted and dangerous plan. No political party and especially its leader should rule by fear. Because that is precisely how Cummings operates. He is a highly dangerous thug and hopefully that will be Boris biggest mistake.
 
Tory rebel Alistair Burt to stand down as MP at next election
Alistair Burt, the former Foreign Office minister and one of the Tories committed to voting with the opposition tonight on the motion enabling the Benn bill to block a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, has announced that he will stand down at the next election.
As ITV’s Emma Hutchinson reports, Burt, 64, says he is leaving earlier than planned because he does not support Boris Johnson’s Brexit policy. Under Johnson’s plan to deselect MPs who rebel tonight, he would probably have been forced out anyway.
(Other Tory rebels are taking a different approach. This morning Philip Hammond said he might even go to court to ensure he can stand against as a Conservative party candidate. See 8.15am.)



WOW! BOOM!!!!

Tories literally falling on their sword to protest against their Prime Minister! Never thought I'd see the day!

BJ is fcuked!
 
sammsky1 said:
That assumes that deselected Tory MPs all belong to safe majority leave constituencies? Would massively backfire if they are marginal Brexit referendum constituencies, as I think many will vote to remain now. Though presumably Cummings has accounted for this in his electoral math?

I would imagine that most voters will put country above party in a BrExit specific GE; so it would effectively become a new referendum. In that vote, I think Remain wins,
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In terms of total votes maybe, but this is FPTP - the Remainer parties would need some electoral pacts of their own if they wanted to stop a Brexiteer majority from occurring in Parliament.
 
WensleyMU said:
That the vast majority of EU citizens are white, just as the majority of Brits, are white. So the vast majority of EU migrants are also white.

The average racist is far more likely to have an issue with non EU migration, something which is likely to rise post brexit. If they wanted to see less non whites, they should have voted to remain.
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So Cantona (sorry, Cantina) wasn't racially abused for being French? And gypsies? They're kinda white, are they never racially abused? How about the Caucasians from Afghanistan with their white skin and blue eyes? No racial abuse in the UK? Mate, you're chatting out of your arse.

How well do you know the average racist? From what I've seen, it's anyone not white British, which includes all of Europe as the "other"

I guess YOUR racism allows non British whites, but you can't speak for everyone in your camp
 
WensleyMU said:
To be fair Buster, the press will attack just about anyone in politics. Cameron was a pig fecker, May a weirdo running through fields of wheat. Both as well as Boris have murdered millions of brits and are monsters according to various elements of the press. They feed on the publics desire for blood, just as they do with sports coverage. Its all designed to rile people up. Those for and against. Put simply, it sells.

Each mainstream paper has its favoured party and politicians who get an easier ride from them, but they all have their enemies, the bad guy as far as they are concerned.
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Precisely right. That was the point I was trying to make.
But you have made it far better than I.
 
sammsky1 said:
Tory rebel Alistair Burt to stand down as MP at next election
Alistair Burt, the former Foreign Office minister and one of the Tories committed to voting with the opposition tonight on the motion enabling the Benn bill to block a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, has announced that he will stand down at the next election.
As ITV’s Emma Hutchinson reports, Burt, 64, says he is leaving earlier than planned because he does not support Boris Johnson’s Brexit policy. Under Johnson’s plan to deselect MPs who rebel tonight, he would probably have been forced out anyway.
(Other Tory rebels are taking a different approach. This morning Philip Hammond said he might even go to court to ensure he can stand against as a Conservative party candidate. See 8.15am.)



WOW! BOOM!!!!

Tories literally falling on their sword to protest against their Prime Minister! Never thought I'd see the day!

BJ is fcuked!
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And if he is then it is totally self inflicted by having Dominic Cummings as his so called political advisor.
More like a henchmen who is happy to threaten and kick out people who disagree with his ultra right wing policies with armed police.
 
sammsky1 said:
WOW! BOOM!!!!

Tories literally falling on their sword to protest against their Prime Minister! Never thought I'd see the day!

BJ is fcuked!
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Well let's calm down, that's just 3 so far innit? Wait for tonight/tomorrows votes.
 
sammsky1 said:
That assumes that deselected Tory MPs all belong to safe majority leave constituencies? Would massively backfire if they are marginal Brexit referendum constituencies, as I think many will vote to remain now. Though presumably Cummings has accounted for this in his electoral math?

I would imagine that most voters will put country above party in a BrExit specific GE; so it would effectively become a new referendum. In that vote, I think Remain wins,
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in a referendum - possibly

in first past the post with only one leave option on the ticket then im not so sure

probably a few large leave constituiencies in the north (ex mining towns etc) where a brexit party candidate may actually do better than a conservative one
 
Peter van der Gea said:
And gypsies? They're kinda white, are they never racially abused?
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When I first moved to the UK 19 years ago I was very surprised to discover there was such a thing as white gypsies here. Generally gypsies in Europe are of Indian descent and not white/caucasian
 
Just been announced that Phillip Lee has defected to the Lib Dems, so the government no longer has a majority.
 
He's so desperate to label the bill Corbyns despite his name not even being on it :lol:
 
MadMike said:
When I first moved to the UK 19 years ago I was very surprised to discover there was such a thing as white gypsies here. Generally gypsies in Europe are of Indian descent and not white/caucasian
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Thought they were Romanian?
 
Peter van der Gea said:
So Cantona (sorry, Cantina) wasn't racially abused for being French? And gypsies? They're kinda white, are they never racially abused? How about the Caucasians from Afghanistan with their white skin and blue eyes? No racial abuse in the UK? Mate, you're chatting out of your arse.

How well do you know the average racist? From what I've seen, it's anyone not white British, which includes all of Europe as the "other"

I guess YOUR racism allows non British whites, but you can't speak for everyone in your camp
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In this instance Caucasian refers to white-european. Which of course you knew. The same thing its meant for the past century.

Ask 10 people what it means and 9 or more will say, white european, or white person.

Glad we can clear that one up PVDG.

One last thing, can you define "My racism"?
 
This is pathetic, amateurish rabble-rousing by Johnson.
 
So Phillip Lee defects to the Lib Dems, from a conservative and leave voting seat, Bracknell.

I would imagine hes going to be popular with his constituents.
 
WensleyMU said:
So Phillip Lee defects to the Lib Dems, from a conservative and leave voting seat, Bracknell.

I would imagine hes going to be popular with his constituents.
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Putting the national interest above his career. Perhaps Rudd, Hancock, Javid and the rest could do the same instead of walking the UK into the abyss.
 
Rado_N said:
You have too much faith in the general population.
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And those in charge of what they see...

That sounds very 'lizard people' - I just mean the BBC has a fetish for 'both sides' so will continue to minimise how fecking insane this government is.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Remember that time he appeared on Have I got News for You and everyone laughed. That was a good idea.
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This kind of showbiz thing is the key to electoral success. Get Corby on RuPaul's Drag Race!
 
esmufc07 said:
Putting the national interest above his career. Perhaps Rudd, Hancock, Javid and the rest could do the same instead of walking the UK into the abyss.
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Perhaps he should trigger a by election. I doubt he will as hes now going to exploit the very people who voted for him to undermine the very thing they voted for.

As for putting the country first. Every single one of those politicians is in it for themselves only.
 
esmufc07 said:
He's terrible. No substance at all. I hope the more people see of him the more they'll realise he's a blustering idiot.
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That is why i had no problem with him facing Corbyn in the dispatch box . Just have to look at the body language of his party around him.
 
I am watching the HoC debate and I have to say that I am frankly embarassed at the bumbling and bluster of our new PM.
None of his waffling responses to questions asked make even the remotest sense.
 
Buster15 said:
I am watching the HoC debate and I have to say that I am frankly embarassed at the bumbling and bluster of our new PM.
None of his waffling responses to questions asked make even the remotest sense.
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The ‘insert a few compliments and totally deflect’ answer to Ken Clarke was embarrassing. Even my 8 year old niece could do better than that.
 
BJ is a clown. Will be impressed by Theresa May if she rebels. Amber Rudd etc are clearly morally bankrupt.

ps. anyone else feel Corbyn was actually drawing blood then just totally eased off?
 
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