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[Paul the Wolf]

The house market is fecked.



It was put to the people because of the conv back benches and was voted by the people.

The pound has problems because of uncertainty in market - it's really down to poor management on the UK side. The EU side had there fears that we'd divide and conquer - in fact we divided just look how many brexit negotiators on the Britain's side to the EU one?

You see the pound was a stable currency for years, but now it fluctuates way to much to invest in.

The pound nosedived for the first time (in recent times) in 2015 when the referendum started to become an issue, it nosedived again after the referendum, it goes down every time a no deal Brexit seems likely.
It will nosedive again after the UK leave, how much depending on if there is a deal or not.

The economy was also recovering more quickly than the EU after the last crash until Brexit put a stop to that too.

 

[Maticmaker]

It was all those Conservative voters who were so poor who voted to Leave whereas all those rich Labour voters voted to Remain.

That's not as ridiculous as it first sounds, many disgruntled Tories who have a seen the return on their savings diminish, might fall into that category, or at least poorer than they were and many new (old) labour lefties have become quite prosperous in the Cities... "the rich getter richer and its the poor that gets the blame"

 

[Giggsyking]

Donald Tusk kicks off G7 with jibe at Boris Johnson claiming he won’t want to go down in history as Mr ‘No Deal Brexit’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9789735/donald-tusk-g7-boris-johnson-mr-no-deal-brexit/

 

[Paul the Wolf]

That's not as ridiculous as it first sounds, many disgruntled Tories who have a seen the return on their savings diminish, might fall into that category, or at least poorer than they were and many new (old) labour lefties have become quite prosperous in the Cities... "the rich getter richer and its the poor that gets the blame"

At least the UK will be world champions at mental contortions to justify the idiocy of Brexit by the end of it.

 

[sun_tzu]

I think merkle played a Blinder with the 30 days

I'm sure Boris wanted her to say no changes to the current deal so he could talk about how the EU won't negotiate and blame them for no deal

Now he has to present something which I don't think ant key has any real expectation will be acceptable to anybody then try to find someway to deflect the blame for his own plan

Well played merkle

 

[Buster15]

It was all those Conservative voters who were so poor who voted to Leave whereas all those rich Labour voters voted to Remain.

Ha ha.
Best to keep our sense of humour eh.
Otherwise, you might as well buy a copy of the Daily Mail and a packet of razor blades.

 

[M16Red]

The pound nosedived for the first time (in recent times) in 2015 when the referendum started to become an issue, it nosedived again after the referendum, it goes down every time a no deal Brexit seems likely.
It will nosedive again after the UK leave, how much depending on if there is a deal or not.

The economy was also recovering more quickly than the EU after the last crash until Brexit put a stop to that too.

It's will take time to recover on both sides because of the uncertainty on the domestic product markets;

I mean Germany could inadvertently close a 38 billion pound market, thats what I mean by money talks. Merkel has said that Brexit could drop them into recession

(Data from 2017, I'd love to know of we've diversified our import markets)
The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($45.2B), Germany ($38.6B), the Netherlands ($24.9B), France ($24.8B) and China ($21.9B). The top import origins are Germany ($90.3B), China ($58.9B), the Netherlands ($47B), the United States ($46.6B) and France ($36B).

It's a complex currency really, but that the challenge. The EU wish to protect protectionism racket.

Anyway come on UTD.. 4 minutes and counting

 

[nickm]

The house market is fecked.



It was put to the people because of the conv back benches and was voted by the people.

The pound has problems because of uncertainty in market - it's really down to poor management on the UK side. The EU side had there fears that we'd divide and conquer - in fact we divided just look how many brexit negotiators on the Britain's side to the EU one?

You see the pound was a stable currency for years, but now it fluctuates way to much to invest in.

The pound has problems because investors think the British economy will weaken as a result of blowing up all our trading relationships.

 

[nickm]

It's will take time to recover on both sides because of the uncertainty on the domestic product markets;

I mean Germany could inadvertently close a 38 billion pound market, thats what I mean by money talks. Merkel has said that Brexit could drop them into recession

(Data from 2017, I'd love to know of we've diversified our import markets)
The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($45.2B), Germany ($38.6B), the Netherlands ($24.9B), France ($24.8B) and China ($21.9B). The top import origins are Germany ($90.3B), China ($58.9B), the Netherlands ($47B), the United States ($46.6B) and France ($36B).

It's a complex currency really, but that the challenge. The EU wish to protect protectionism racket.

Anyway come on UTD.. 4 minutes and counting

The EU wish to protect the central pillars of their own political and economic project. Why you think they might be less serious about their project that the brexiters are about theirs, has never been explained. If brexiters think the economic hit is worth it to us, why wouldnt the EU believe the same thing for them?

 

[Walrus]

Yes that's correct ref sale... But you will start paying interest on it after 5 years as well

And the equity has to be paid back after 25 years regardless

Thats fine, fortunately I am in a position where I should be able to pay it back after the 5 years are up.

Anyway, back to topic - feck Brexit

 

[M16Red]

The EU wish to protect the central pillars of their own political and economic project. Why you think they might be less serious about their project that the brexiters are about theirs, has never been explained. If brexiters think the economic hit is worth it to us, why wouldnt the EU believe the same thing for them?

I was always aware of the pillars, I'm not saying we won't be hit. We will be hit, as will they (EU). But to think that we are something of a loser country is mistaken.

The EU was never going to let us in the single market, because it sets a precedent for other countries to do the same thing, ruining the chance of more control.

My stance is if we can get a deal then that's good, if not then - fine we'll have deal with the outcome.

There are 8.3 in London that's .1 under NYC customers, I'm sure someone whould like to sell each of them a flipping banana from Mexico.

 

[Grinner]

Because both things are exactly the same.
What if those troops had all had to show their paperwork before boarding Johnny the fisherman from Portsmouth’s boat?

Anyone who talks about Dunkirk Spirit to make any point is automatically a cock. It was a massive defeat.

 

[golden_blunder]

Anyone who talks about Dunkirk Spirit to make any point is automatically a cock. It was a massive defeat.

It’s the typical leave campaign response though calling on British wartime spirit. Load of bollox

 

[nickm]

I was always aware of the pillars, I'm not saying we won't be hit. We will be hit, as will they (EU). But to think that we are something of a loser country is mistaken.

The EU was never going to let us in the single market, because it sets a precedent for other countries to do the same thing, ruining the chance of more control.

My stance is if we can get a deal then that's good, if not then - fine we'll have deal with the outcome.

There are 8.3 in London that's .1 under NYC customers, I'm sure someone whould like to sell each of them a flipping banana from Mexico.

We could have stayed in the single market! That was a completely achieveable form of Brexit. Theresa May chose not to.

 

[Grinner]

It’s the typical leave campaign response though calling on British wartime spirit. Load of bollox

It also forgets that the French fought bravely at Lille to protect the withdrawal.

 

[Cheesy]

Anyone who talks about Dunkirk Spirit to make any point is automatically a cock. It was a massive defeat.

When you're trying to reassure everyone the political policy you're trying to implement will be smooth and fine for everyone, feels like referencing an event where a fecking ton of people died is not a good starting point.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

It's will take time to recover on both sides because of the uncertainty on the domestic product markets;

I mean Germany could inadvertently close a 38 billion pound market, thats what I mean by money talks. Merkel has said that Brexit could drop them into recession

(Data from 2017, I'd love to know of we've diversified our import markets)
The top export destinations of the United Kingdom are the United States ($45.2B), Germany ($38.6B), the Netherlands ($24.9B), France ($24.8B) and China ($21.9B). The top import origins are Germany ($90.3B), China ($58.9B), the Netherlands ($47B), the United States ($46.6B) and France ($36B).

It's a complex currency really, but that the challenge. The EU wish to protect protectionism racket.

Anyway come on UTD.. 4 minutes and counting

If Germany are losing that size market, imagine how much the UK are losing.

However, if you look at it from another perspective, the UK are talking about having no checks and zero tariffs - if that is the case not only will Germany not lose the market but will actually make their cars cheaper with no restrictions whereas UK exports will be charged tariffs.

Talking of protectionism, the Uk want to get in bed with one of the, if not currently the most, protectionist countries in the world and Trumpwill not be lenient with little old UK.

You talk of being positive but you have to be realistic. Wishful thinking will not help.

And United was depressing.

 

[M16Red]

We could have stayed in the single market! That was a completely achieveable form of Brexit. Theresa May chose not to.

Not true, there was no way without giving up our ability to strike trading agreements.

 

[dogrob]

There are people who live abroad just for a few years for work, study or just to experience something different before coming home. There are others who have a dream of living in the sun but finances let them down or a family member back home getting sick. There are multitudes of reasons for people moving back to the UK. No UK citizen should have been denied a right to vote. That’s their right

This I agree with being one of those people who have lived outside of the UK for over 15 years I had no say and will be directly affected by Brexit and for those who say but you live abroad it still doesn't alter the fact that I am British and have a British passport.

 

[golden_blunder]

This I agree with being one of those people who have lived outside of the UK for over 15 years I had no say and will be directly affected by Brexit and for those who say but you live abroad it still doesn't alter the fact that I am British and have a British passport.

At the end of the day, you have the right to return to the uk and even if you don’t, brexit may have a knock on effect to how you’re treated as an immigrant in another EU country

 

[Jippy]

Not true, there was no way without giving up our ability to strike trading agreements.

Oh yeah, that ability to strike our own trade deals that even Liam bloody Fox admits will be worse than what we have now. We sure don't want to miss out on that opportunity.

 

[M16Red]

If Germany are losing that size market, imagine how much the UK are losing.

However, if you look at it from another perspective, the UK are talking about having no checks and zero tariffs - if that is the case not only will Germany not lose the market but will actually make their cars cheaper with no restrictions whereas UK exports will be charged tariffs.

Talking of protectionism, the Uk want to get in bed with one of the, if not currently the most, protectionist countries in the world and Trumpwill not be lenient with little old UK.

You talk of being positive but you have to be realistic. Wishful thinking will not help.

And United was depressing.

Here is the difference, I enjoyed the game - James played very well and for a 20 year old took his goal very well. Pogba isnt a CM and shouldn't be deploy their, in a two man midfield it's more of a loss than a plus.

It was a smash and grab...

As we're a country poorly managed this could happen, I have no faith in politicians as business people, where as the other side are very shrewd. But it leads into my next point we can vote out these people, how do you vote out tusk or the next people unelected (by the people) change of your governing body.

I drive a German car, but I'd love a Lexus they are stunning cars. As your a international business man you will know the German and French have more holidays then most - in fact dealing with them is frankly frustrating that 3 weeks off in August is a killer, just like the Chinese New year. I have no idea what there output is at these times.. when the French go for lunch it's actually three courses while I respect this - sometimes you're sat there thinking let's just sort this problem.

Bit above is just a pet hate... I love France and Germany. I'm a big fan of Luxembourg multilingual...man its cool.

I never said zero checks, I said a framework inline with our current - EG EUs framework. We'd never get a deal if we took this outlook.

The WTO rules are temporary for relief on imports and I'd imagine the leverage on that import will help in negotiation. Alas well need a business brain to run this and I look around they're are none in politics.

 

[M16Red]

Oh yeah, that ability to strike our own trade deals that even Liam bloody Fox admits will be worse than what we have now. We sure don't want to miss out on that opportunity.

I'm just happy with the opportunity to do so.

 

[Jippy]

I'm just happy with the opportunity to do so.

What, the opportunity to pay more for your weekly shopping? Yeah great isn't it.

 

[M16Red]

At the end of the day, you have the right to return to the uk and even if you don’t, brexit may have a knock on effect to how you’re treated as an immigrant in another EU country

My parents living Cyprus and have took Cypriot citizenship. They are British pensioners and will still get British pension.

 

[M16Red]

What, the opportunity to pay more for your weekly shopping? Yeah great isn't it.

I work with all of the major supermarkets in the UK for some products you might pay more, but for some products you will pay less. Unless you shop at Aldi then you will more, they import from Germany as a middle man.

 

[Jippy]

I work with all of the major supermarkets in the UK for some products you might pay more, but for some products you will pay less. Unless you shop at Aldi then you will more, they import from Germany as a middle man.

I highly doubt anything will be cheaper. If somehow some products cost less for supermarkets to source, there is no way they will pass that saving on as they try to cover all the tariffs imported products are being whacked with.

 

[Wibble]

We can't change it

Of course we can.

It is already an utter disaster and it is only going to get far worse. How can it not?

 

[Grinner]

I highly doubt anything will be cheaper. If somehow some products cost less for supermarkets to source, there is no way they will pass that saving on as they try to cover all the tariffs imported products are being whacked with.

Maybe a return to cross-channel ferry trips for cheap booze and fags?

Not for you personally though!

 

[golden_blunder]

My parents living Cyprus and have took Cypriot citizenship. They are British pensioners and will still get British pension.

Not everyone will be able to get citizenship

Also brexit may depreciate their pension?

 

[Wibble]

My parents living Cyprus and have took Cypriot citizenship. They are British pensioners and will still get British pension.

But will their pension remain indexed or be frozen like it is in other non-EU countries like Australia?

 

[M16Red]

Not everyone will be able to get citizenship

Also brexit may depreciate their pension?

But will their pension remain indexed or be frozen like it is in other non-EU countries like Australia?

I don't really speak to them about it, but citizenship and nationality are both different things our pension based around nationality, it will / could value because of the pound in the country.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw10yJUxDRkRgBs1wkqyZfus&cshid=1566672956588

I don't speak to them about it because they still make money out there. They are graffers and make money no matter what.. I think they were getting like job seekers at one point! How they did that I don't know.

Northerners hey.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Here is the difference, I enjoyed the game - James played very well and for a 20 year old took his goal very well. Pogba isnt a CM and shouldn't be deploy their, in a two man midfield it's more of a loss than a plus.

It was a smash and grab...

As we're a country poorly managed this could happen, I have no faith in politicians as business people, where as the other side are very shrewd. But it leads into my next point we can vote out these people, how do you vote out tusk or the next people unelected (by the people) change of your governing body.

I drive a German car, but I'd love a Lexus they are stunning cars. As your a international business man you will know the German and French have more holidays then most - in fact dealing with them is frankly frustrating that 3 weeks off in August is a killer, just like the Chinese New year. I have no idea what there output is at these times.. when the French go for lunch it's actually three courses while I respect this - sometimes you're sat there thinking let's just sort this problem.

Bit above is just a pet hate... I love France and Germany. I'm a big fan of Luxembourg multilingual...man its cool.

I never said zero checks, I said a framework inline with our current - EG EUs framework. We'd never get a deal if we took this outlook.

The WTO rules are temporary for relief on imports and I'd imagine the leverage on that import will help in negotiation. Alas well need a business brain to run this and I look around they're are none in politics.

Pogba plays there for France but United need him further forward because we've got no-one to create chances.

Have run a French production company for 2 years and the output in August is zero but that's taken into account over the rest of the year and planned thus. Just have a skeleton sales and admin staff during the holiday .

Tusk is voted for by the European Council and they are voted for by the voters. Whereas May's first PMship was by default and currently Johnson is PM because of some Tory members. Tusk leaves his post later this year.

I know you didn't say that regarding checks and tariffs but that's what could possibly happen with the likes of Johnson, JRM and co and the UK will need competent people to deal with Brexit and I'm struggling to see any , as you say

 

[Paul the Wolf]

My parents living Cyprus and have took Cypriot citizenship. They are British pensioners and will still get British pension.

But their pension is paid in pounds which has devalued considerably over the last few years and highly probably will devalue a lot more. British pensioners living abroad who find their income/purchasing power considerably reduced and didn't even have the right to vote to stop it.

 

[M16Red]

Pogba plays there for France but United need him further forward because we've got no-one to create chances.

Have run a French production company for 2 years and the output in August is zero but that's taken into account over the rest of the year and planned thus. Just have a skeleton sales and admin staff during the holiday .

Tusk is voted for by the European Council and they are voted for by the voters. Whereas May's first PMship was by default and currently Johnson is PM because of some Tory members. Tusk leaves his post later this year.

I know you didn't say that regarding checks and tariffs but that's what could possibly happen with the likes of Johnson, JRM and co and the UK will need competent people to deal with Brexit and I'm struggling to see any , as you say

Arrhh I see your problem, is you customer base in the UK? By any chance?

Sounds like your in the beauty industry...

I know your so used to moving product between EU countries, but the UK (English) people have voted to leave while this decision might confuse alot of people.. this is where we are. I choose too see it as an opportunity rather than hindrance.

And I don't work in sales...

Agreed about pog. But who do you play at the base McT and Pereira? A bit light there unfortunately. Watch that Mcginn guy last night, really was good at LCM.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Arrhh I see your problem, is you customer base in the UK? By any chance?

Sounds like your in the beauty industry...

I know your so used to moving product between EU countries, but the UK (English) people have voted to leave while this decision might confuse alot of people.. this is where we are. I choose too see it as an opportunity rather than hindrance.

And I don't work in sales...

Agreed about pog. But who do you play at the base McT and Pereira? A bit light there unfortunately. Watch that Mcginn guy last night, really was good at LCM.

No I decided to retire 3 years ago but still a few years off state retirement age. The production company was the timber industry which I ran for two years as a favour to the owner (when I was still running the Uk company) and working very long hours. Customer base for the UK company and French company was worldwide but mainly USA, Africa and Europe but little in the UK but exported from UK and many other countries in trading (UK company).

Yes there was a lot of cross border traffic more out of the UK into Europe which was so easy because of having the same rules , no tariffs and VAT or documentation problems and rapidity and timing which was essential , not because of perishable goods, but because of co-ordinating shipments with goods from various European countries centralised to a port eg Rotterdam, Hamburg etc and shipped to a customer in Africa, USA or Australia for example, any delays or snags would be a nightmare.

 

[Grinner]

No I decided to retire 3 years ago but still a few years off state retirement age. The production company was the timber industry which I ran for two years as a favour to the owner (when I was still running the Uk company) and working very long hours. Customer base for the UK company and French company was worldwide but mainly USA, Africa and Europe but little in the UK but exported from UK and many other countries in trading (UK company).

Yes there was a lot of cross border traffic more out of the UK into Europe which was so easy because of having the same rules , no tariffs and VAT or documentation problems and rapidity and timing which was essential , not because of perishable goods, but because of co-ordinating shipments with goods from various European countries centralised to a port eg Rotterdam, Hamburg etc and shipped to a customer in Africa, USA or Australia for example, any delays or snags would be a nightmare.

You ever heard of Stora Enso? I was intrigued by some products they make for house and commercial construction. Thought about buying some stock.

 

[Jippy]

Maybe a return to cross-channel ferry trips for cheap booze and fags?

Not for you personally though!

Maybe in four years nine months...

 

[Paul the Wolf]

You ever heard of Stora Enso? I was intrigued by some products they make for house and commercial construction. Thought about buying some stock.

Yes I know of them although they aren't in the same sector and haven't dealt with them directly, they had stands at timber fairs we exhibited at - believe their products are made from Scandinavian and Russian timber.

 

[nickm]

Not true, there was no way without giving up our ability to strike trading agreements.

We could have stayed in the single market, which was a British innovation. Yes we would have had to continue strike trade deals collectively. So bleeding what. Who on earth voted to leave based on EU trade policy? If anything the Norway option would have been a compromise all side could probably have agreed on, it was certainly a favoured option amongst brexiters.