They said the same about Hitler.
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They said the same about Hitler.
I'm still waiting for Goebbels to be appointed Propaganda Minister.
I beg to differ. IMHO we are where we are because not enough MP's have ever supported any sort of Brexit and never imagined in their wildest dreams that the country would vote for other than remain. Both major parties are equally culpable in agreeing to the referendum.
Yes that's right. As I have mentioned before he is simply their puppet to do and say what he is told.
Not many of them because a high number of Labour voters voted to leave and the Liberals are very much a remain party.
In my opinion I agree with you.
Labour never agreed to the referendum. The referendum was Tory manifesto. Second, May never tried to bring Labour into it until her deal was defeated three times. When she lost her majority, that should have been her cue but she went to the DUP to form some stitch job government. Labour's position was that they would back a permanent CU membership, Tories said no. Trying to bring equivalence between the Tories and alabour is nonsensical imo.
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There was never going to be a satisfactory Brexit deal. I’m sorry, but it was blindingly obvious at the vote that Brexiters were never going to get what they wanted from the EU. I can’t believe people still cling to the belief that Britain ever had, or does have a chance to leave the EU under favourable terms. It was always going to be remain or hard brexit, because whosoever takes a sub-par deal would be seen in a worse light than if no deal was taken. Completely delusional to believe otherwise.
According to YouGov Farage has only a 24% favouribility rating. You don't usually win elections with those kind of numbers. Then again we're in an unusual time where ALL the major leaders are underwater favouribility wise. Corbyn is 26%, Johnson 31%.
Swinton actually has a big oppounity here because while her favouribility is only 17%, almost a quarter of voters have no idea who she is, and a giant 47% have only a neutral opinion of her. Thats a giant opportunity to make serious waves if she can seize it.
Only partly true. Whilst it was indeed only the Conservative party that campaigned for an in out referendum in the 2015 general election. Once the Conservatives had won that election the Labour party supported the Referendum Bill that was laid before parliament. As regards the rest I entirely agree with you that May committed a serious error by not attempting to find consensus from the get go. Having said that the Labour party position was and remains totally daft. If we stay in the CU then there really is no point in leaving the EU. It would be the worst of all worlds. Trouble is the Labour party has been playing party politics ever since the 2017 election. Its called bring down the government so we can get elected. Entirely understandable as is the SNPs stance of lets have another go at independence. Mind you that's me being my usual cynical self.
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It's pretty thin pickings when we're celebrating that less than half of MPs think a politician is a cnut.
Exactly. People who voted out wanted out - not half in / half out and people who wanted to remain were the same, wholly in. There was never any real middle ground to be had.
We could never leave on favourable terms as the EU could never allow it to be so easy. They will feel the loss of our money massively and will shudder at the thought of another of the 27 wanting the same.
This isn't strictly true Adisa. While you're right that the Tories couldn't gain consensus it would be a very dubious claim to state that there hasn't been some reluctance on the remain side to accept the vote and help deliver it.
Help deliver what? No one seems to answer that.
The people who want it can't agree on what they want. So what are the people who voted remain supposed to help deliver? If brexiteers accepted May's deal, we'd be out by now and it won't have mattered what remainers think.
Well a ton of people voted against brexit and right now the lib Dems are the only big party outrightly fighting brexit so that's where a lot of those anti brexit votes will end up. Labour should have hoovered them up but they have given out far too many mixed messages.
The plan was to have a vote and either
Strange how you think Farage has zero chance of being PM but someone who leads an established party who has a lower rating and got half the votes Farage hour the last election has a chance. You think it
might bias or wishful thinking?
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The whole mess has happened because of the ignorance of English politicians who didnt care/know about the border ramifications in Ireland. That's what has caused it.
No, it’s fairly simple. Everyone knows Farage and has for a long time. He’s wildly unpopular and realistically that isn’t going to change. Many people have never heard of Swinton and even half of those who have don’t know enough to have any opinion.
That gives her a big opportunity to substantially change her popularity. It doesn’t mean she will of course (or that it will change for the better not worse), but it’s certainly much, much more likely than people waking up one day and deciding they suddenly don’t hate Nigel Farage any more.
I'd suggest that no matter how bad it is for the EU it will be 10 times worse for the UK.
What is strange about that? The man is virtually unelectable despite what the media would have you believe - how many MP's did UKIP ever get? About the same as the Brexit Party will get I'd imagine (although I expect them to get 1 less).
That wasn’t the plan. The plan was to have the vote and let the public tell farage to go feck himself. That plan turned to shit, bye bye pig fecker Cameron. Then the plan was to get the best deal(like we were all told) that plan turned to shit, bye bye Zelda from terrahawks. The plan was whatever pile of shit people told themselves was gonna happen. Real life doesnt work that way, that’s why it’s all such a mess.
I do wonder how he gets through each day without somebody thumping him.
The polls and the European election show the opposite of what you are saying. Ukip also had to face a credible labour party and conservative party that had yet to break.its promises to exact voters who would defect to Farage. I'd suggest it's not me who has to wake up to reality as someone above suggested. There is a perfect storm for which Farage could take advantage of if Bojo follows May and screws up brexit. He is perfectly placed to take enough disgruntled labour and tory voters to shock a lot of people in this thread in particular it seems.
I would suggest anyone who doesn't know the leader of the lib dems now is highly unlikely to ever be a lib dems voter. You are twisting the lack of popularity with some kind of idea of once they get to know her they will vote lib dems. ain't gonna happen.
Why would somebody vote for the Brexit Party if the Conservatives are going to go for a no-deal brexit? The answer is that they wont.
Not only that - if we do go through with a no-deal Brexit (we wont without a GE but Conservative will now be going for votes on a no-deal basis) - then where does that leave the Brexit Party? Utterly pointless and with virtually no support thats where.
It's a total dead duck. Farage for all his posturing and all the media interest will get nothing from the electorate.
I agree 100%. Like I said If Boris does a May and screws it up. I actually think it's more parliament not the conservatives. Boris will be blamed and labour will be happy to call for a GE but I think they will be shocked with outcome. I'm not saying a want it, but it's want I think will happen. Either Farage props up Boris or the unthinkable and he wins enough to be PM. Laughing just thinking about the reaction to that but I am an anarchist at heart and I don't believe anyone in the system can fix it.
So is the plan to crash out of Europe, lose an election to Labour who then fail miserably to pick up the pieces thus allowing the Tories another long period of government in which to really feck with poor people, destroy the NHS and enrich themselves?
Because that's how the repubs tend to operate here in the US.
Because that's how the repubs tend to operate here in the US.
Aaaaand that's a video as good as any to make me feel no regrets about leaving England.
I don't see labour winning an election anytime soon. Do people realise how unpopular Corby is to non Corbynisters? Half his own party don't like him. The greens and lib dems are taking the hard line remainers and brexit areas around the coast and non major urban centres would never vote for him.
It's seriously fecked up that these idiots all over the country have caused such massive problems. They need dumping in the middle of the Atlantic.
That sounds plausible but the fly in the ointment is Corbyn which is why the Tories keeps talking him up as if he were a threat.
Yes but Labour won't win anything.
Exactly. The Liberals at least have had a clear message. Labour only clear message has been we have no clear message.
She’s been the leader of the Lib Dems for 5 days, why would not knowing her now mean someone would never vote Lib Dem? I actually called her Swinton instead of Swinson earlier and neither me or you noticed, that’s how famous she currently is.
If she does a great job though and builds her public recognition, then why wouldn’t she draw in new voters from Labour and the Cons? The Libs sit in that attractive position between the two big parties and both are currently very unpopular. It’s a time of huge possibility for the Libs.
So the actual month along push for winning the leadership election just passed everyone by?
The idea she has a chance of being PM is laughable. You prove my point for me you don't know her name.... Instantly forgettable.
Not only that but being in the coalition government she was directly responsible for austerity, cuts and the tripling of tuition fees after promising not to. Rather than Tory light she’s a full blown one.
They’re a single issue party just like Brexit. She has as much chance of premiership as Nigel Farage and that’s saying something considering his popularity.
Once we have sorted Brexit one way or another one of them will slide back into obscurity if not both depending on what the solution will be.
Brexit is going to continue to be the main political issue for the next 30 years.