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Why Brexit Business Planning is Impossible
I’m beginning to picture post-brexit Britain as some kind of mad max 3 landscape with everyone wearing mad shit and crazies everywhere. The PM will be someone else but with a tiny Boris on their backthese people need help. Everyone has gone mad
Why doesn't anyone listen to things like this?
Knives already out for the new government before it's formed.
Knives already out for the new government before it's formed.
I don't think it's going to last they've only got a very slim majority right now and out of the 20 odd Tory MPs publically rebelling I'm sure at least 4 will decide to make a stand.
Labour should submit a VONC as soon as they can. Hopefully the Tories have a spine or it'll at least push Boris to some concessions.
How Prepared is the UK for a No Deal Brexit? Go on, have a guess
We've been saying this for ages.
Looks like a solid plan to me.
So in 100 days time Johnson has declared that the UK will be in deep sh!t - no ifs and no buts.
Politics shit, football shit, if other things in my life weren't going well I don't know what I'd do.
Other things in my life aren't going well and I don't know what to do.
Is it worse to get worked up over football or politics? Serious question. Both incredibly frustrating and completely uncontrollable
Football obviously, Liverpool winning anything is worse than a hard Brexit.
Now that is a good question
Remain + Liverpool league win, or....
Hard Brexit
Loyalties tested there
The bitter part of me believes that this is what we deserve. What percentage of Brexit voters are ‘poor’. Let them lie in their own waste seen as many of them voted to kick out immigrants.
Easy. Hard Brexit.
Difficult to say as lots of poor people voted for Brexit in 2016 but the Brexit party is mostly middle to upper class people.
As for it's what this country deserves I can see out of frustration why you think that(I at times think similar)but the actual effect will cause people to be really hurt and lots will die as a result.
Brexit and liverpool asking to play the scottish league once they get the independence
The ones standing for election largely are, but you know their heartlands are the poor urban north and Wales. Historic Labour country. That's what's so perverse about being the pied piper.
Yeah although some of these historic labour places are historical quite conservative(In their social views) and of course very white(You can see this in how the Brexit Party does it's online ads). It's a really awful mix of elites and older working class people.
Although its bit earlier to say what will happened to these voters. The Brexit Party might not even run in the next election(Not to mention they'll have to come up a manifesto)and I can't see the tories even with Boris, changing too much on policy. The only hope of winning them back is with a labour through economic policy.
There aren't many 'elites' in the likes of Sunderland and Hull.
Brexit is going to trump everything. None of Farage's followers give a feck what's in his wider manifesto- likely classic right policing, tough on crime etc bollocks anyway.
Can't see a pro-remain Labour wins those voters back.
I was talking about the like of Farage and Banks.
Yeah I think this could be the case until brexit is somehow resolve . But Farage is still a thatchite at heart, yes there might be more funding for policing but I would be surprised to see any major redistribution policies. Still even with all of that it's almost a impossible sell for a pro remain Labour(Labour fence sitting served them well last election). The argument has to be do you want a no deal brexit or the chance for your kids to get a debate free education and a chance at owning a home.
All of this counting on there be a general election before the 31st of October.
unlikley - would need to be called pretty quick
i suspect they tell the eu its no deal or remove the backstop - the EU say mmm ok its no deal then
they can talk about how the EU wont negotiate - wait for parliament to come back and as soon as there is an attempt to block no deal (early September probably) they call a snap election - fixed term parliment act but Im sure if it was conservative policy most would vote for it and im sure Labour SNP Libs would as well (EU probably grants an extension to the end of the year to facilitate the election) - Conservatives make all candidates pledge to no deal and deselect anybody who disagrees and form a pact that brexit wont stand if there is a no deal condervative candidate in the area
they then win by a landslide as basically its a rerun of the referendum with remain votes split (helped by having an incompetent turd in charge at labour) but vast majority of leave votes to the conservatives and he then has the majority to push through a no deal brexit - and the corbynistas still say give jeremy another chance and blame Blair / Israel
Agreed. I think that pretty much nails the strategy. Plus if the EU do budge at the last minute and Johnson gets the a WA through he can call a GE before Xmas or in the spring and campaign on a 'Trust me because I deliver' ticket and he won't need Farage. He is also looking like kicking off a lot of spending plans on public services. Definite election footing.
I don’t think I’ll be able to afford a pint when the £ goes through the floor.
thats why cummings is there - I think ... either referendum or election and a referendum does not fix the issue of a minority government (and majority probably reducing with the upcoming by-election as well) - the only fix to that is a GE and as you say the "end of austerity" - investment in public services and infrastructure is certainly going to be part of that pitch - gut feel i think he will do well in a GE and i think cummings will be pushing to fight that GE ASAP so that labour cant get rid of Corbyn - I think it will be called in Spetember with the election probably in November and a hard brexit around 31st December.
WWIII is preferable to Liverpool league win.
I'm not sure a general election would help much. Extensive deselection of Tory candidates seems unlikely, so the new Tory party would be just as split as it is now. They could gain a large enough majority to ignore their remain side I suppose, but I doubt it. Labour reversing their last manifesto and going for remain would be the best option, but I think they'd have to get rid of Corbyn and McDonnell first, and their supporters are still in denial at the moment.
Did he really appoint his brother for a ministers post? Are you even allowed to be that blatant with the nepotism?
Well TBF Jo Johnson has just been made minister of state for universities and sciences (he previousley held the role from May 2015 to Jan 2018) and has had senior roles from 2013 till he resigned to support peoples vote in 2018 ... he also held the roles of
MP since 2010
Director no 10 policy unit April 2013 till May 2015
Minister of state (cabinet office) July 2014 till May 2015
Minister of state for Universities and Science May 2015 till Jan 2018
Minister for London Jan 2018 till November 2018
Secretary of State for Transport Jan 2018 till November 2018
so its not like he has come from nowhere and clearly has experience in the very role that he has been appointed to - that said he resigned in November to campaign for a peoples vote so that could become uncomfortable for Boris depending how things play out
I agree. Neither of the main parties are in a fit state to fight an election until Brexit is out of the way and the smaller parties (including Lib-Dems) will lose out if Labour does manage to hoover up the remain vote, but loses seats to the Tory/Brexit Party coalition, especially in its heartlands.
At the moment, and if the EU is to be believed, the choice facing any new Government would be revocation of A50, or a 'No deal', (no WA/Mays deal now possible) which takes us back to 2016 and remain or leave choice!
Whether people like him or loathe him, Boris is right it all has to be settled by the 31st Oct, otherwise we are in a continuous loop/ground-hog day scenario, which is ultimate more dangerous (both politically and economically) for the country than either of the IN/OUT choices.
Was fecking hopeless at it, mind.
was certainly better then grayling at transport
How are Labour going to ‘hoover up the remain vote’ exactly? Surely people who want to remain would vote Lib Dem or Green etc?
And this is the problem for Labour. Come out for remain & they potentially lose a considerable chunk of the lower Working Class vote.
The only reason people would vote Labour at the moment is the ‘stop the tories at all costs’ go-to brand name. Other than that, they are a f**king shambles.
Of course, same accusations can be levelled at the Tories. Difference is, they have now got rid of May, and their position is now looking (a little) clearer and also in step with the majority of their members and that will also resonate with the electorate.
I work as a recruiter (burn me at the stake, I know) We have our candidates sign waivers, that none of their relatives work at the department they're applying to, because that would give it the smell of nepotism. Even if they're very fecking qualified for it. If simple (well relatively) simple engineers need to sign these waivers, how can the prime minister appoint his fecking brother. Even if he weren't an imbecile.
You'd think at least similar standards would apply in government. Preferably much higher standards.
His brother is an MP, no reason why not. Rather ironically he's probably one of the more moderate choices, which tells you how grim things have gotten.