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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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pocco said:
Are people suggesting the EU pull the rug from under Britain because it will affect Britain more than them? The EU has their own interests at heart, they will obviously want to best outcome for themselves also.
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At one point it becomes worth taking a hit rather then prolong the inevitable. Europe needs to move on from Brexit

I suspect that the EU has been patient not because of the UK's worth to the EU but more because of Ireland. However as many sources has already said, patience is indeed running low
 
pocco said:
Are people suggesting the EU pull the rug from under Britain because it will affect Britain more than them? The EU has their own interests at heart, they will obviously want to best outcome for themselves also.
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The EU are not pulling the rug from under anyone, it's the UK that chose to leave but they don't seem to want to go. If the UK are not going to accept the withdrawal agreement nor cancel Brexit, then there is only one other outcome and that's no deal. The Uk's choice. If Johnson or Hunt continue with the nonsense they are currently spouting then no deal is inevitable at the end of October. There's no magic wand.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The EU are not pulling the rug from under anyone, it's the UK that chose to leave but they don't seem to want to go. If the UK are not going to accept the withdrawal agreement nor cancel Brexit, then there is only one other outcome and that's no deal. The Uk's choice. If Johnson or Hunt continue with the nonsense they are currently spouting then no deal is inevitable at the end of October. There's no magic wand.
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As usual perfectly succinct and perfectly correct.
Anything else is fantasy.
Amazing how many people have been conned into believing in fantasy land brexit.
As we are told - let's just leave and everything will be ok...Nothing will change....
Utter bollocks compounded by lie after lie from our future PM.
No wonder he is planning a GE as soon as possible. He knows what is coming....
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The EU are not pulling the rug from under anyone, it's the UK that chose to leave but they don't seem to want to go. If the UK are not going to accept the withdrawal agreement nor cancel Brexit, then there is only one other outcome and that's no deal. The Uk's choice. If Johnson or Hunt continue with the nonsense they are currently spouting then no deal is inevitable at the end of October. There's no magic wand.
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Not sure if this is better placed here or in the Westminster thread

might be the last roll of the dice as parliament finishes for the summer in 1 week

sun_tzu said:
Grieve ammendment today trying to block the proroguing of parliament ...



It could be close a number of ministers must realise that under a Boris administration they will be demoted and at that point their only option might be to bring the government down

realistically this could be the last chance to do something about it and with may only having a week left many might feel its worth abstaining

Will be interesting to see if labour put a 3 line whip as well (and how many flaunt that if they do)

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'Smoke me a kipper, I'll be a hack for Brexit'.
 
Feels like we're limbering up for a no deal, like pulling a trigger on a gun but this run up to October 31st is alarming how casual it is.

Said it before, it was always going to turn out like this, an unfavourable withdrawal agreement/deal or halfway house is worse than staying a full member so you either honour the vote and leave fully or stay.

If the intention is always to honour the vote then we could've gone to a Norway deal for 4-5 years (we'd be 2-3 years ahead by now), set up trade deals then leave fully. That would be the best way to soften the blow if we're to leave.

I wonder if the EU could in the event of UK crashing out set up an emergency WA which at least avoids us going splat and we get a broken arm and leg instead.
 
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redshaw said:
Feels like we're limbering up for a no deal, like pulling a trigger on a gun but this run up to October 31st is alarming how casual it is.

Said it before, it was always going to turn out like this, an unfavourable withdrawal agreement/deal or halfway house is worse than staying a full member so you either honour the vote and leave fully or stay.

If the intention is always to honour the vote then we could've gone to a Norway deal for 4-5 years (we'd be 2-3 years ahead by now), set up trade deals then leave fully. That would be the best way to soften the blow if we're to leave.

I wonder if the EU could in the event of UK crashing out set up an emergency WA which at least avoids us going splat and we get a broken arm and leg instead.
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the strange thing is that once we leave (potentially not on great terms with lots of blame about a no deal being thrown around) we then begin talks about an actual trade deal... i suspect those talks in the shadow of a hard brexit will not be as smooth or fast as we were once promised (by the same folks who told us that we have had enough of experts and that the W.A. would be the simplest negotiation ever)
 
We've spend 3 years doing our best to honour that bloody vote. Now we're just flogging a dead horse.
 
It's a strange world where the conservative chancellor is saying it'll be even worse than an OBR report and yet the vast majority of Tory members just think it'll be alright on the night.

This isn't the opposition or even the city, it's your own fecking chancellor the one you've praised for years for austerity measures.

In fact i bet it's every previous chancellor, of a party whose members primarily support because of perceived financial responsibility.

It just doesn't compute in any sense, it's madness :lol:
 
MPs vote to block proroguing parliament. Now let's see how many resignations.
 
Smores said:
MPs vote to block proroguing parliament. Now let's see how many resignations.
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The division lists are out after the Government’s crushing defeat by 41 votes on Grieve’s latest Brexit-blocking amendment. 17 Tory MPs voted directly against the Bill, including DCMS Minister Margo James who resigned to do so:

  • Guto Bebb
  • Steve Brine
  • Alistair Burt
  • Jonathan Djanogly
  • Justine Greening
  • Dominic Grieve
  • Sam Gyimah
  • Richard Harrington
  • Margot James (resigned)
  • Phillip Lee
  • Jeremy Lefroy
  • Oliver Letwin
  • Paul Masterton
  • Sarah Newton
  • Antoinette Sandbach
  • Keith Simpson
  • Ed Vaizey
A further 30 Tory MPs also broke the three line whip and abstained, including Philip Hammond, David Gauke, Greg Clark and Rory Stewart. Karen Bradley and Jeremy Hunt also abstained but they were reportedly paired, while other MPs may also have had legitimate reason to be absent. Government MPs in bold:

  • Richard Benyon
  • Peter Bottomley
  • Karen Bradley (paired)
  • Graham Brady
  • Greg Clark
  • Ken Clarke
  • Alan Duncan
  • Vicky Ford
  • David Gauke
  • Cheryl Gillan
  • Zac Goldsmith (paired)
  • Damian Green
  • Philip Hammond
  • Stephen Hammond
  • John Hayes
  • Simon Hoare
  • Jeremy Hunt (paired)
  • Caroline Johnson
  • Gillian Keegan
  • Pauline Latham
  • Huw Merriman
  • Anne Milton
  • Bob Neill
  • Matthew Offord
  • Victoria Prentis
  • Nicholas Soames
  • Caroline Spelman
  • Rory Stewart
  • Julian Sturdy
  • Tom Tugendhat
Word is already going round that May’s whipping was lacklustre in order to leave her successor a poisoned chalice…
 
sun_tzu said:
The division lists are out after the Government’s crushing defeat by 41 votes on Grieve’s latest Brexit-blocking amendment. 17 Tory MPs voted directly against the Bill, including DCMS Minister Margo James who resigned to do so:

  • Guto Bebb
  • Steve Brine
  • Alistair Burt
  • Jonathan Djanogly
  • Justine Greening
  • Dominic Grieve
  • Sam Gyimah
  • Richard Harrington
  • Margot James (resigned)
  • Phillip Lee
  • Jeremy Lefroy
  • Oliver Letwin
  • Paul Masterton
  • Sarah Newton
  • Antoinette Sandbach
  • Keith Simpson
  • Ed Vaizey
A further 30 Tory MPs also broke the three line whip and abstained, including Philip Hammond, David Gauke, Greg Clark and Rory Stewart. Karen Bradley and Jeremy Hunt also abstained but they were reportedly paired, while other MPs may also have had legitimate reason to be absent. Government MPs in bold:

  • Richard Benyon
  • Peter Bottomley
  • Karen Bradley (paired)
  • Graham Brady
  • Greg Clark
  • Ken Clarke
  • Alan Duncan
  • Vicky Ford
  • David Gauke
  • Cheryl Gillan
  • Zac Goldsmith (paired)
  • Damian Green
  • Philip Hammond
  • Stephen Hammond
  • John Hayes
  • Simon Hoare
  • Jeremy Hunt (paired)
  • Caroline Johnson
  • Gillian Keegan
  • Pauline Latham
  • Huw Merriman
  • Anne Milton
  • Bob Neill
  • Matthew Offord
  • Victoria Prentis
  • Nicholas Soames
  • Caroline Spelman
  • Rory Stewart
  • Julian Sturdy
  • Tom Tugendhat
Word is already going round that May’s whipping was lacklustre in order to leave her successor a poisoned chalice…
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Wonder why you of all people would be reading Guido ??
 
Full bodied red said:
Wonder why you of all people would be reading Guido ??
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I tend to get things from a variety of sources - went to guido mainly during the conservative leadership election where their backers section was probably the most up to date resource
they always have a list of the PMq questions before the event which helps me decide if to listen or not and are generally one of the quicker sites to report westminister stuff (such as who voted one way or the other)
Clearly it has a bias in its reporting (though its hardly alone in that) and I try to balance that with taking news from multiple sources - but for speed they are pretty good for westminister stuff
I like reading the same story on fox, Cnn, Reuters, Bbc, Al Jazeera, China today etc - its good to have all the spin and make your own mind up - guido is one of the more biased sources but as I say good in terms of speed of delivery on the conservative leadership election and westminister
 
You have to admire Barnier at todays EU PC. With a perfectly straight face, he held the actual WA in his hands and flicked though the pages saying "this document is the only way to a deal on Brexit". However I'm sure he referred to the "600 pages contained in the WA", when last time its length was mentioned I am sure it was only "500 pages"... if true, where have the extra 100 pages come from, and more importantly, what do they contain?
 
Maticmaker said:
You have to admire Barnier at todays EU PC. With a perfectly straight face, he held the actual WA in his hands and flicked though the pages saying "this document is the only way to a deal on Brexit". However I'm sure he referred to the "600 pages contained in the WA", when last time its length was mentioned I am sure it was only "500 pages"... if true, where have the extra 100 pages come from, and more importantly, what do they contain?
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It hasn't changed, it was 585 pages and still is.
 
Maticmaker said:
However that is still 15 pages unaccounted for/unexplained in Michele's statement... don't suppose he's getting a touch of the Diane Abbot's is he?
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Are you really struggling with the concept of rounding up?
 
JPRouve said:
Are you really struggling with the concept of rounding up?
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No but I think Michele might be!

Surely when he is making such a dramatic public statement meant to emphasize/convey that 'nothings changed', we do it this way or not at all, then he would say (precisely) these 585 pages are it, nothing more and nothing less. In my opinion it was a brilliant one liner, but the impact was spoiled because he was imprecise on the size of the WA document.
 
Maticmaker said:
No but I think Michele might be!

Surely when he is making such a dramatic public statement meant to emphasize/convey that 'nothings changed', we do it this way or not at all, then he would say (precisely) these 585 pages are it, nothing more and nothing less. In my opinion it was a brilliant one liner, but the impact was spoiled because he was imprecise on the size of the WA document.
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It changes absolutely nothing, particularly when unlike your claim he has always talked about 600 pages and it makes sense for the reasons that Paul highlighted, if you are talking about the deal, it's 585 but if you are talking about the document it can be more.
 
If the Queen grants a request from a prime minister to prorogue Parliament, surely all meetings of the Parliament discontinue until the prorogue period ends? Proroguing is not dissolution of Parliament, just a suspension of business, so how do these votes this week effect that position? Can anyone enlighten me?
 
JPRouve said:
It changes absolutely nothing, particularly when unlike your claim he has always talked about 600 pages and it makes sense for the reasons that Paul highlighted, if you are talking about the deal, it's 585 but if you are talking about the document it can be more.
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Sorry that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, no wonder Michele is confused.
Incidentally I haven't said or claimed he always talked about 600 pages, today was the first time I've heard him mention such a figure, prior to that its always been in the 500's. I would still argue that being imprecise (if that's what he was) spoiled the effect of his delivery of an otherwise excellent one-liner about the WA.
 
Maticmaker said:
Sorry that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, no wonder Michele is confused.
Incidentally I haven't said or claimed he always talked about 600 pages, today was the first time I've heard him mention such a figure, prior to that its always been in the 500's. I would still argue that being imprecise (if that's what he was) spoiled the effect of his delivery of an otherwise excellent one-liner about the WA.
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I don't think that he has mentioned 500 pages even once, on the other hand 600 pages or almost 600 pages has been mentioned almost everytime he spoke. Now a part of the british press did use the term 500 pages, the BBC mentioned 599 pages though. And there are no argument to be done here, particularly when you tried to pretend that the deal had been altered.

https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/opening-statements_I166570_03-V_rv

 
Maticmaker said:
Sorry that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, no wonder Michele is confused.
Incidentally I haven't said or claimed he always talked about 600 pages, today was the first time I've heard him mention such a figure, prior to that its always been in the 500's. I would still argue that being imprecise (if that's what he was) spoiled the effect of his delivery of an otherwise excellent one-liner about the WA.
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You've added a letter to his name and changed his sex;)
 
He really should have mentioned the exact number of characters including spaces instead of an approximate number of pages in order to make the length invariant of how you print and format the thing.
 
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