Can't believe someone is arguing about how long the fecking agreement is, ffs!
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You're actually serious aren't you?
Interesting on 'This Week' (the last one!) both Portillo and Johnson think May's deal, under another name, will yet pass, even now. I thought I was the only one.
Also interesting that this thread was started in June 2016. 20fecking16.
Last one ever?!
So they said. Hopefully Sky will step in but I haven't seen anything.
Given her track record of abysmal failure whipping her MPs for her own government, this seems like a questionable conclusion..
They also said in the introduction that they had got every major prediction they have made wrong!
They did, and amusingly too.yes its being replaced by a tv version of brexitcast I think
Damn that killer combo of Andrew Neal's playful aggressiveness and Portillo's easy charm will be missed.
yes Im not sure that brexitcast will translate that well to a tv show and certainly its going to be a big change in sytle
This is a literal case of fiddling while Rome burns
I hope it’s a wum
Of course it is!
I thought his line about the WA document being the only way forward and holding it in his hand and flicking through it was a good media piece, the issue about pages etc.
sort of detracted slightly from his one liner.
Some on here however got their necks wound out though, shows how much tension there is in the air!
Nope - that's my take on it too. Only game in town as I can see. Bojo will probably have some form of communication with the EU which will enable him to put some spin on the WA. I think MP's, like everyone else, are sick to the back teeth with the whole sorry tale and so there's a good chance it'll squeeze through. That'll be Brexit 'delivered' by Johnson - A 'victory' he will be shouting about forever and a day and his strap-line leading into a GE which he will probably call almost immediately after.
If the Labour party has any sense they will get rid of Corbyn pronto.
You think it will pass without the backstop issue resolved? Not a chance that the ERG or DUP will just rollover on that.
It would need enough Labour MPs to swing it, yes. The backstop would be another can to kick down the road for them, but full of suitable fudge. To rear it's head again another day, no doubt. The alternative is hard brexit right now, and that's where the Labour MPs come in.
Labour won't vote for the deal without it being put to a referendum. Far more likely that enough Tory MPs rebel to force a referendum or to get rid of Boris.
if its an amendable motion then im sure one of the amendments would be to tag a referendum on it
at that point labour would then probably (mostly) vote for it... you would have a chunk of conservative mp's who had previousley voted for it and i suspect a decent % would do so again... not sure if snp etc would vote for it with an attached referendum but if they did then that may well pass.
And that's why I don't think Boris (or hunt) will let it come back for a vote.
I didn't actually say Labour as a party, just enough Labour MPs. Although if Corbyn was actually a leader he could seize the initiative by proposing the deal and referendum himself, and inviting Conservative rebels to join him. The opposition can propose motions on a limited number of occasions I believe.
dup would pull support in a confidence motion i think under those circumstances... anothe rreason i dont think there will be another vote put in front of mp's
Get rid of Boris. The darling of the right wing of the Tory party....
Now that cannot wait to see.
If the Labour party has any sense.
Big IF although I am sure that many of them now realise that Labour are un-electable with him as the Leader and to an extent that would give the electorate an option they sadly don't have at the moment.
Bring it on I say.
The only vote they would be interested in is after 31st Oct when the UK is officially (by law) out of the EU, either by a deal, or by no deal.
This is the big gamble that both now seem willing to take and it appears both will defy Parliament to bring them down, if its a no deal. As far as can be gathered from pundits and politicians alike, Boris or Jeremy only have to sit on their hands and wait for the 31st Oct. Parliament can pass as many votes as it likes about no deal, proroguing, etc. unless anything new passes into law then nothing changes. In a way the new PM doesn't have to officially ask HMQ to prorogue parliament, just keep hold of the business agenda and make sure nothing is tabled that can act as a trojan horse and carry amendments.
In the betting shops (of course I never enter such places) I am told odds are being offered (it seems ) that the EU will make some offer to break the deadlock that might appeal to Jeremy, so out by Christmas then! If its Boris who is in charge its unlikely to be the same offer, (or the same odds!) so then the EU negotiators will probably scratch their heads and meanwhile get into the air raid shelters (in Strasburg and in Brussels). A big factor will be who Boris chooses for his cabinet, if he includes any remainers, or former remainers, he's toast. If he seeks to plough on with a true blue Brexit Cabinet, then its likely to be him and the cabinet who will be returning to the War Rooms under Whitehall and wait for the political bombardment to cease, or as Farage would say "wait for Independence day to dawn".
Either way what we need is a running commentary from Andrew Neild (believe he's out of a job now!) from the moment the new PM takes office.
yup - pariament breaks up the day after boris (or hunt is appointed)
He then basically has till 5th september and they break up again for conference on 14th september
so 9 days to control the agenda... then by the time they come back (9th October) its pretty much 3 weeks till hard brexit
I'm pretty clueless on this but an Act of parliament goes through something like three stages, two committees and agreement by the house of Lords.
I guess we've given up on the notion of a deal...
Yeah they can be rushed through I guess... But with something as controversial as brexit I think realistically they are going to need some time to pass the various stages so if the 31st deadline is set in stone (according to Boris) and the current w.a. is dead then I honestly don't see how there is time for anything other than the default which is no deal
Why? It gives Boris the perfect out. He doesn’t have any genuinely ideology about Brexit, it just offered him a shot at power. If he can push the decision onto the public via parliament, he can avoid the disaster of no-deal (possibly Brexit altogether) and keep his job, while blaming everything on the MPs who forced the 2nd referendum. Win-win for BJ.
Because I think he would prefer a ge than a referendum as making that all about brexit with the remain vote split over several parties gives him a good shot a working majority (as brexit party have said they won't stand if his manifesto policy is hard brexit)
Almost certain dup pull support if he goes for a referendum based on the w.a. and a ge after a referendum or at the same time is a much harder fight
He’s not going to run in an election though on a no-deal manifesto. He might get the Brexit party nutters on board, but he’d lose the support of much of his own party and make an almost immediate no-confidence vote in him almost inevitable.
Even most Tories understand that no-deal would likely destroy the Tory party for a generation. Much better for him if they can dodge the bullet and keep the raging leavers supporting them.
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David Lidington revealed that a senior EU official made a secret offer to the UK to put Brexit on hold for five years and negotiate a "new deal for Europe".
Mr Lidington said the offer was passed on in 2018 by Martin Selmayr, a senior aide to EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker.
"Martin sort of said, 'Look, why don't we have a deal whereby we just put all this on ice for five years?'
"Let's see how things go, let's get the UK involved with France and Germany, let's see how the dust settles and let's talk about whether we can come to a new deal for Europe."
I found this quite interesting and I would have thought quite controversial.
David Lidington revealed that a senior EU official made a secret offer to the UK to put Brexit on hold for five years and negotiate a "new deal for Europe".
Mr Lidington said the offer was passed on in 2018 by Martin Selmayr, a senior aide to EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker.
"Martin sort of said, 'Look, why don't we have a deal whereby we just put all this on ice for five years?'
"Let's see how things go, let's get the UK involved with France and Germany, let's see how the dust settles and let's talk about whether we can come to a new deal for Europe."
I found this quite interesting and I would have thought quite controversial.
Donald Trump: Boris Johnson 'will do a great job as PM'
If anyone needed proof....
If anyone needed proof....
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One liar to another.
This is a shit choice of hill to die on, mate.