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But what about the NHS?
It's fecked mate.
I expect 100 hospitals in each town by the years end.
Everyone gets their own private Doctor. Happy days.
I would say its purely reactionary, just wait until something bad happens and then support drops again. Just last year Denmark vote no on the opt-out referendum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_European_Union_opt-out_referendum,_2015?oldformat=true
but who will priavte doctor those private doctors?
No immigrants either. All doctors are local sourced Britons born and raised in Britain. Millions of doctors for everybody.
Did I mention no immigrants? That's important because they are taking our jobs and stealing our benefits and living in our houses.
Luckily we have a big crop of happy Junior Doctors coming through the ranks... Oh wait...
This immigrant I know leaves my house each morning, signs on, takes the lift up to Floor 2 and then starts work as a Job Centre adviser. Then he collects his pension before whacking me out of my bed with his crutches. Outrageous. He went to Ibiza with my wife and kids last year; sent me a postcard and reversed the charges.
Yeah but you see, it's the immigrants fault that we don't have doctors coming through. They keep taking places of future doctors with their thieving immigrant hands. Everything is the fault of immigrants.
The Germans had it wrong, it's not the Jews, it's these damn immigrants that are the problem. Gah! I just stubbed my toe!!! Immigrants caused this by taking up housing space meaning my house is to small for me!!!
Damn immigrants!
If only there were a way to separate them from the rest of us good, honest folk. Some sort camp we could lock them all in.
Ok i think the Holocaust analogy is a bit much.
Is it? There is a trend in this country to scapegoat immigrants in a similar way to the Germans did with the Jewish population. It's gotten much worse since the referendum result too.
Theres scapegoating then theres concentration camps.
Polish family living in Plymouth have their garden shed set alight and find a note on their doorstep telling them to go back home, you might be next.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36747997
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36747997
Ok then.
Let me know when the thread is back on track.
Let me know when the thread is back on track.
Yeah this.
Do people really think this will lead to the systematic killing of foreigners by the state? I'm sure our government is clever enough to evoke the anger of various states by murdering it's civilians. Also the Holocaust wasn't carried out because people turned a blind eye to it, most Germans and the world did not have a clue what was going on.
There was a sizable number of people in Germany, Poland + the surrounding area that turned a blind eye to it, as numerous eye-witnesses testified to in Shoah (for starters). Hatred, intolerance and misguided unwavering belief in the country's leaders were undoubtedly critical elements in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't mean it'll happen in this case but ignorance of what allowed it to happen - if not directly caused it - is a very dangerous thing. The same core issues have been present in most genocides, have they not? They were there in the Indonesian genocide in the 60s.
I think the immigrants are just convenient scapegoats for economic problems that the Tories didn't fix/caused. A few racist idiots are going to push it too far and think the Brexit vote means most agree with them but the UK is far, FAR away from the lunatics taking over the asylum.
Ignoring the problem is exactly what happened before. This arrogance that the situation here isn't showing similar signs to Germany in the 30's is what will eventually lead to a similar genocide happening.
The government need to make it clear that this path is not an option.
I'm not getting involved in the 'will this turn into another holocaust?' stuff, but on a purely historical basis the Germans had a very good idea of how Jews were being treated, not necessarily about the mass exterminations but the mass deportations, seizure of property and indiscriminate beatings and killings, and the intense anti-Jewish propaganda were all carried out very publicly. It would be a bit rich to give them a pass on all that just because they didn't necessarily know about the final step.
Also the allied governments had been receiving reports about the existence of the camps for years before they were liberated. They either didn't believe the evidence they were given or chose to disregard it. During that time they continued to try and block fleeing Jewish refugees from both the UK and America.
I don't think there is anyone as charismatic as Hitler in Europe right now nor is there the embarrassment and humiliation faced by Germany after WW1.
I was referring to the systematic killings, most knew they had been relocated but were not aware of the true horrors. The Nazis were also very good at covering it up enough to get away with it, they were even able to fool the Red Cross.
Anyway back to Brexit
No, they weren't. Have a read of this..
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/redcross.html
Good god, what have people become?
Yeah the leave voters are going to be pissed off when they realise in a couple of years that sod all has changed with their life.
Save our NHSSSS. Save our NHS
NHS, now that really is the envy of the world...........at least Chad, maybe
Does someone know when the actual seceding procedure is going to start? And what it consists of.
Wrong.
UK economy is twice the size of Texas.
Iceland which is 1/150 of UK economy has a trade deal with China.
Switzerland which is 1/3 of UK economy has a trade deal with China.
Wrong again.
UK, France and Germany Economies are far bigger than India.
UK demographics are fine, There are plenty of young ppl in the UK. We have no demographic time-bomb like Germany does.
You clearly dont know much about these things. Most of the statements you make are flat out wrong and rest dont make any sense.
Where exactly are you from mate? If you are comparing Malta to UK then have at it.
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People who want the best for Britain?
A- I am not saying that you won't get your trade deals. All I am saying is that it would be heavily staked against you. For example in the Switzerland-China trade deal, Switzerland had to give China an immediate access to their markets but the Swiss had to work according to the Chinese whims to access (in some cases they will have to wait 15 years). The EU being the EU had managed to seal a deal with South Korea which allowed it to eliminate tariffs 4 times quicker then Australia. That deal contributed for the UK to increase trade with South Korea by 57 percent. The EU already have more trade deals then Canada and Australia.That's the benefits of being the big boy. All these deals will have to be renegotiated once the UK decides to activate article 50.
B- I am not comparing you to Malta, that would be ridiculous. However there's plenty of parallels that you can learn from. Malta sits on a mine of black gold and which it had never been able to exploit because of bigger and more hostile neighbours. At one point Gheddafi even sent military ships against Malta because they dared defying him. Would Gheddafi tried to do the same thing if Malta was part of the UK? I much doubt it. Now I am not suggesting that the UK will soon be military bullied. However there are other ways to bully an isolated and tiny country.Even now the UK is begging for preliminary talks with the EU and all it got was a cold shoulder.
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When was that ? I thought Malta would have been in some kind of defence agreement with the UK
Highly unionised? Since when 7% is seen as highly?
It occurred during the 1980s and no we don't have a defence agreement with the UK because our Farage (the one who cut ties with Britain completely) cancelled it in 1971 in a bid of bringing total independence to Malta. You can still find videos of Maltese people crying as the last British ships left Malta. During the 'celebrations' we were blessed by the presence of a certain Colonel Gaddafi who promised us something similar of a trade deal. Weren't we lucky?
We had a deal with Italy though, but they remained silent because they also had interest in our seas and oil just like the Libyans. That's the price of being small and isolated and that's not all. For many years we had to close an eye or two as Gaddafi henchmen came to the islands thinking that they own the place. However we accommodated them because the man was mad, Mintoff made us persona non grata in the Western world and we were reliant on trade deals we made with Libya.
The funny thing that there's plenty of parallels between your Farage and our Farage (Mintoff). Similarly to your Farage who can't stop bitching about the EU migrants while he is sleeping with one our Farage had a degree from Oxford University and was married to an English woman (and not John Terry's mad aunt but someone with British/Dutch noble blood ie a de Vere Bentinck). Another similarity is that while our Farage was working so hard in burning bridges with the UK, at least one of his daughters were living in the UK and enjoying British education. Your Farage is still on the EU payroll and will enjoy his pension from Brussels. His children will probably enjoy freedom of movement thanks to their mother. These people just love to strip the plebs from the same benefits they enjoy while make it look like they are doing them a big favour
Regarding deals with China, our prime minister was the first Western PM to visit the country. We know a thing or two about the country and how they work.
I am in no position to teach anything to anybody and that's not even my aim. All I am saying is that while its well and good to make deals with countries who may not be exactly great in terms of human rights etc (the world was never perfect and will never will), its imperative that you do that from a position of strength. You don't want to be the little fish while dealing with countries who can bother giving basic human rights to their own people. Rest assured they won't give a feck about your people
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The government response to the re-vote petition:
Government responded:
The European Union Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015, receiving overwhelming support from Parliament. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.
The EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015. The Act was scrutinised and debated in Parliament during its passage and agreed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The Act set out the terms under which the referendum would take place, including provisions for setting the date, franchise and the question that would appear on the ballot paper. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.
As the Prime Minister made clear in his statement to the House of Commons on 27 June, the referendum was one of the biggest democratic exercises in British history with over 33 million people having their say. The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected. We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations.
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
Government responded:
The European Union Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015, receiving overwhelming support from Parliament. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.
The EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015. The Act was scrutinised and debated in Parliament during its passage and agreed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The Act set out the terms under which the referendum would take place, including provisions for setting the date, franchise and the question that would appear on the ballot paper. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.
As the Prime Minister made clear in his statement to the House of Commons on 27 June, the referendum was one of the biggest democratic exercises in British history with over 33 million people having their say. The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected. We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations.
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
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UK Government and Parliament
No one does. Seemingly, the key issue is something called Article 50, the clause in EU law that deals with a country leaving. It's never been activated and was designed by people who never thought it would be used. The one thing that seems to be clear about it is that once triggered, there's a 2 year period which ends with the country leaving.
As it stands, it hasn't been triggered yet and Cameron will leave that to his successor. Whoever takes over from him can either trigger it immediately, wait a few months to come up with a plan (as no one has one yet) or, as has been suggested by some, call a General Election before the negotiations to "get a mandate" for the negotiations and then trigger it.
The EU has said it won't enter into any sort of negotiation until the article is triggered and is willing to wait until the end of the year. Once it is, there'll be 2 years for the divorce to be negotiated and for any post-Brexit plan to be sorted out. At the end of that 2 years, Britain will be out.
The only sure thing is that Britain will leave. Probably. Maybe. It might do. Eventually.