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That's a good summary.
No I ran three businesses (not owned although had small shareholding in two ), businesses work by having the right individuals who are capable and know what they're doing. It doesn't matter their background as long as they know what they are doing. If the lowest classed worker has a brilliant idea, it would have been most welcome. As for class status my parents were cockneys, my father was clever and worked his way up from office boy making the tea to financial controller. I went to public school not because my parents could afford it but as you say I'm smarter than anyone else and didn't have to pay anything.
Too many assumptions.
I'm not going to vote Labour because I no longer live there but watching as the Tories go further right and Labour further left is sad to watch.
Sorry but everyone being equal and some being more equal than others doesn't work.
Democracy is not giving people who don't know what they are doing the possibility of changing the course of a country or a company , it is gross stupidity.
@Paul the Wolf
You went to public school! Christ if you told me this at the start of the converstation I wouldn't of had to waste the last hour.
Public school boy who hates the Labour Party, shock horror.
You went to public school! Christ if you told me this at the start of the converstation I wouldn't of had to waste the last hour.
Public school boy who hates the Labour Party, shock horror.
He couldn't have picked a better thread to highlight the fallibility of democracy tbf.
Public school boy who voted Labour four months after he left said school. You're too prejudiced.
Never know you might find some communists who went to Cambridge.
Hang on - John Mcdonald went to public school?
Brexit isn't really a dent against democracy more the combination and result of decades long right wing policies and a out of date parliamentary system.
I guess McDonald and Corbyn must learned something while been there.
I want a democratic member based Labour Party, if some former public school boys socialists are the the best route to that I'll take it.
Probably will drop "Unionist" and change their name to the Conservative and Brexit Party soon enough.
There were quite a few more
Pah - thats nothing - look at where diane abbot sends her kids
proper socialist
Is this another case of some being more equal than others.
All in favour of democracy, not direct democracy
Where are you trying to head towards? Yes it would be great if everyone had a happy life, loads of money etc. Don't see anything that Labour is suggesting is going to get you there.
I've never counted on anyone else nor did I expect anyone else to help me get to wherever I wanted to be.
And he got Es in his A Levels!!!
Looks like Piers Corbyn got the brains of the family
That post is genuinely Tory 101. I hear it all the time, especially the last part from colleagues who have very wealthy parents.
The inability to recognise ones privilege.
What do you expect from a socialist.
But you have been helped by many who paid your tuition fees and by a lot who helped you during your professional life whether as peers or subalterns. I'm being pedantic but these should never be ignored.
Except if you read my earlier post that I didn't have wealthy parents. My father was even treasurer of the local Labour party in the 50s until he found out someone was stealing from the fund.
Of course, but building the right team around you is part of it. As for fees the amount of tax I've paid in the UK has more than made up for that .
But if people didn't pay for you beforehand you wouldn't be in that position, there are plenty of people that have the same desire and same abilties who didn't had the same opportunity due to systemic circumstances. The reality is that we are all the products of a system, none of us made itself.
How ?
I didn't mention Corbyn or McDonald in my first post. Look if Paul wants to join the workers movement then I might listen to his views so more until then I'm not take too seriously his thoughts on the Labour Party.
It was just a question of passing an entrance exam, anyone of any background could have taken it, those that didn't obtain the required %age had to pay.
Someone else always pays even for state education or people out of work are financed by those paying taxes.
One could argue the opposite, why should high earners pay more than low earners - everyone being equal and all that, I don't agree with that but..
You said you wish you had not engaged with somebody based on the fact he attended public school
How ?
I didn't mention Corbyn or McDonald in my first post. Look if Paul wants to join the workers movement then I might listen to his views so more until then I'm not take too seriously his thoughts on the Labour Party.
I mean besides coming over
If you just want to listen to the views of your own echo chamber and insist that people must "join the workers movement" before you take their views into consideration you again sound "a little biased" though this time with the added incredulity of the implication that its in anyway good for the labour party to restrict its views to such a narrow perspective and to dismiss the views of people who previously voted labour - how labour could ever expect to win an election and govern the whole country with such views is to me simply baffling
As long as you agree with this fact, then we are on the same page when it comes to that particular topic.
As long as you agree with this fact, then we are on the same page when it comes to that particular topic.
Of course, it starts from the day people are born, doctors/midwife/hospital - someone else paid for that.
Blair has admitted the first thing he did was go to the papers, what other labour leader was ever backed by the sun?
yes - but you said labour would not be allowed to win
Of course logically you go to the mainstreem media and try to get your policies shown in a preferential light - better still you have policies that appeal to people outside your core supporters as your trying to win a majority... and labour won which you said they cant????
But you said Labour wouldnt be allowed to win now - so how are they they going to be stopped???? who is pulling the strings in the background to make it impossible that if they put forward proposals and got a coherant message out there that they would be prevented from winning?
thats what you said and Im simply not sure who or how they are going to subvert the democratic process? - now obviously they don't have to with the current incompetents shooting themselves in the foot over and over again but your point was a broader one so who is going to stop labour ever having power and how?
Why not ? Or at least working place democracy ? (You don't have to answer I already know why)
Considering the current system is lowering life expectancy, is the cause of rising inequality, causing the rise in people using food banks. And then if we talk about the rest of the world it's even worse(Plus again the current system is killing the earth).
Living a happy life and having loads of money are two different things. I want is a country where working class and poor people can have some control and power in their lives.
.Where they can have more free time do as they please.
.Education as a end itself and not as means of getting a career and being in debt.
.Fully funed NHS
.A country that doesn't sell arms but kill Yemenis children.
That's just a few of the many things we could actually do in this country today. We really could achieve so much more than this - "I've never counted on anyone" Thatcherite shite.
There's no point going into this as it's barely beyond a right wing meme.
when it comes to the media in this country especially they control the electorate.
For example, Diane Abbot is still ridiculed over a simple mistake that she made during the 2017 General election, a simple slip of the tongue. The media coverage of said slip was vicious and 2 years later she is referred to as ‘dangerous’ if you control the print in this country, you control the voters.
Look at the Tories too. They have stolen millions of pounds in pension money over the years, my parents for example are 65 and 70 years old and both still work full time. Nothing gets mentioned or brought up about it.
On BBC question time a few months ago Clare Perry outright called the leader of the opposition an anti-Semite with zero backlash, zero media coverage etc
Saying they won’t be allowed to win an election was probably a bit much in retrospect but the point isn’t wrong. You can replace Corbyn with anybody and while the unfair, Tory led media are here they will never ever win a General election. Is that the same as not being allowed? Probably not to be fair, but it is almost like putting a cookie on an island surrounded by shark infested water, with snipers everywhere or something and being told of course you can eat the cookie, you just have to swim to it.
That’s such a bad analogy, I’ve just woken up, need coffee
I knew there was a reason to keep you off the ignore list.
Although I'm not sure how I'm going to deal with being a bigoted against people who went to public school. Thinking some more about it, I'll be honestly I think I might really prejudice against billionaires, just don't like the look of them to be honest.
Things must be bad if your calling me bias.
He doesnt sound like a very good treasurer.
The head of the local Labour Party stole the money and he had the keys of the safe.
As I said any sensible idea would have been welcome from anyone. If someone asked me to design an aircraft engine I would recommend that they didn't listen to me.
Life expectancy has only fallen very recently, 120 years ago you were lucky to get past 50. Life expectancy in certain parts of the world has increased dramatically.
Perhaps under a socialist system we can live until 200.
According to Corbyn's brother it's the sun's fault.
I didn't have any money at various times - didn't eat.
Of course they are different things, just two examples. Working class and poor people have some control and power, they get to vote. You will soon see what some them have voted for. Not blaming just them, rich and poor alike.
Strange, all the people who worked for me had more free time than I ever did, and in France they were working 35 hours a week.
Education and NHS totally agree but as I've said before someone has to pay for it. Corbyn wants the rich and corporate tax-avoiders to pay for it but not increase contributions from the rest of the population.
If under the Corbyn socialist system you get rid of the rich people and rich companies, who pays for it then. Perhaps everyone would be willing to pay 40% tax.
Agree about the arms sales too.
Hard work is a right wing meme?
Democracy in the work place isn't about listening to ideas. As for the aircraft I literally have no idea what your on about ?
Great!
Didn't know you were a fan of Chinese Commuist Party. Anyway a lot these peope are now going to face the endresult of our current system climate change.
Whenever did I say this ?
Er......ok. I actually don't know a lot about Corbyn personal life (I don't really care)
Well that bad time in your life, right ? And fact others are going throuh the same and on a bigger scale we've seen in decades is also bad. We should be against people not having enough money to eat, right ? Unless your saying well I spent times in my life not having money to eat, so its not a big deal today. Which ok whatever.
Strong unions and worker power. Capitalism isn't just shit for workers it's also somewhat shite for capitalists/management as well.
What do you mean rid of rich people and rich companies ? The tax policy in the 2017 manfesto wasn't particular radical, a lot of the funding was coming from a national investment bank. Corbyn is a socalist but if he were to win the next election(Big if I know) he wouldn't be turning Britian into a socalist state.
No idea you've never need help from anyone - who builds the hospitals you've used, the roads you drive on, the school you went to etc etc.
Still at least we agree that brown kids in Yemen shouldn't be killed. Thats something.
Strong Unions like the 1960s?
If Corbyn did win the next election ... no socialism ok - you never answered my question a few days ago about this N.I.B - whose money is it?
You're starting to be obtuse and avoiding obvious points.
So end of the day, no capitalism , no socialism , how will the world work?
You can dismantle the whole system if you like, the Tory party can disappear forever, who cares but you've got to have a realistic alternative , just like Brexit, break everything but have no solution to replace it.