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That post is genuinely Tory 101. I hear it all the time, especially the last part from colleagues who have very wealthy parents.

The inability to recognise ones privilege.
Or even just one's plain, old luck, which plays a huge part in achieving anything in life. I really like Warren Buffets story about winning the 'Ovarian lottery'.
 
Or those who have a sh!t life, do nothing about it and we'll all put it down to bad luck. That's sorted.
No we don't. I didn't say successful people have no input in it, just that luck plays a huge part.

Equally, people who have a shit life can do something about it, but not that much. Many of the variables that make a real diffrence to your life chances are set at birth.
 
No we don't. I didn't say successful people have no input in it, just that luck plays a huge part.

Equally, people who have a shit life can do something about it, but not that much. Many of the variables that make a real diffrence to your life chances are set at birth.

To an certain extent but one could just do nothing, moan about people who are better off than them, not make an effort to do better and expect other people to sort their lives out for them.
And I'm not talking about people with physical or mental disabilties who should be cared for by the state.

People should pay more tax and get a better benefit and health service for the less fortunate but even Corbyn won't suggest increasing taxes for the general population because he's scared of losing votes. Then those same people will be moaning about how poor the welfare and health service is. Someone else always has to pay for it.
 
Strong Unions like the 1960s?
what ?

Are you asking if French unions were strong in the 1960's(You never told me the time period of when you were working in France)

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/05/how-beautiful-it-was/



If Corbyn did win the next election ... no socialism ok - you never answered my question a few days ago about this N.I.B - whose money is it?
https://peg.primeeconomics.org/policybriefs/template-krh2j

https://newsocialist.org.uk/a-socialist-bank-labours/

You're starting to be obtuse and avoiding obvious points.
You've brought up Corbyn brother and something to do with the sun ? And said people will live until their 200 years old under socalism when I mentioned life expectancy going down.


So end of the day, no capitalism , no socialism , how will the world work?
I literally have no idea what your on about here. I've said a Corbyn govermemt wouldn't turn Britian into a socalist country(It would be a step closer). But I've also said that because capitalism is doing the whole killing the earth thing, ideally we should move towards socialism.


You can dismantle the whole system if you like, the Tory party can disappear forever, who cares but you've got to have a realistic alternative , just like Brexit, break everything but have no solution to replace it.

I'm a socialist who realises the only gain for the left at the moment is a left social democracy(With potentially a radical future). This is why I support the Labour Party.
 
what ?

Are you asking if French unions were strong in the 1960's(You never told me the time period of when you were working in France)

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/05/how-beautiful-it-was/

https://peg.primeeconomics.org/policybriefs/template-krh2j

https://newsocialist.org.uk/a-socialist-bank-labours/

You've brought up Corbyn brother and something to do with the sun ? And said people will live until their 200 years old under socalism when I mentioned life expectancy going down.

I literally have no idea what your on about here. I've said a Corbyn govermemt wouldn't turn Britian into a socalist country(It would be a step closer). But I've also said that because capitalism is doing the whole killing the earth thing, ideally we should move towards socialism.

I'm a socialist who realises the only gain for the left at the moment is a left social democracy(With potentially a radical future). This is why I support the Labour Party.

No I meant UK in the 1960s when it had so many problems. I was working in France in this decade.

What I was getting at is how is life expectancy is going to improve under a socialist regime? You said capitalism was killing the planet. I said what are you intending on doing instead.

So the NIB is a government owned bank using public money presumably paid by taxes (of whom?) and filtered through the private bank sector to SME's preferably of the co-operative type.
The SME's I ran obtained finance and funding through the private sector and through the ECGD (government)

I also noticed that the manifesto makes reference to many European models, German, Nordic, Spanish, Italian , French , EIB, - Corbyn must really like Europe....

So say he gets elected in 2022 and won't go full out socialist, presumably he's expecting a second term in 2027 at 78 years old when he's going to go full blown socialism or more radical.

What is the radical future you're talking about, would that be the soviet model?

Answers still missing, how does he balance the books with the inevitable fallout of Brexit (seemingly ignored) and if he had the unfortunate task of being PM in 2022 how would Labour be ever voted for again considering the problems he's going to be facing and the blame he's going to take. Tories and Labour both destroyed?
 
Another day, another car manufacturer threatening to pull the plug.

Anybody got any info on how car plant employees voted over brexit?
 
What have the Roman's ever done for us?

Social and economic equity
Environment protection and global warming action
Social justice (less likely to hate and discriminate against people darker than Boris or indeed almost any minority group - however British Labor seem to make an exception for Jews)
Less likely to feck everyone not from the top end of town over, even those who vote for Tories despite it being manifestly in their worst interests.
Listen to any of the candidates for PM for more than 5 minutes.
Far more likely to rule for the common good and not just the good of Boris and his ilk.
 
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Another day, another car manufacturer threatening to pull the plug.

Anybody got any info on how car plant employees voted over brexit?

I haven't seen any. Sunderland was quite heavily Brexit though, and they have car manufacturing.
 
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I meant in the 70s when you voted for them

Mainly because I was so p!ssed off with Heath whom I blamed for having to study for my A-levels by candlelight, having passed my driving test and see the speed limit reduced and being issued with petrol rationing coupons, nothing deeper than that and possibly preferred the character of Wilson to Heath. Wasn't into politics.
 
"Quizzling"?

Wasn't that the name of the Nazi sympathiser who ran Norway for the Germans during WW2? Similar set up to the Vichy State in France? Long time since I heard that one!
 
This is extrapolating too far, I think. Not only are car workers only a small part of the local population but the referendum count itself wasn't all that granular; even breaking it down to a constituency is a guesstimate.

No doubt some of the workers did vote for Brexit but it is likely the larger effect is that the factories are located in areas where Brexit would have received a lot of support anyhow, regardless of the car factories.
 
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Another day, another car manufacturer threatening to pull the plug.

Anybody got any info on how car plant employees voted over brexit?

Why dont you start a thread asking for that very information.
Would be interesting.
 
Why dont you start a thread asking for that very information.
Would be interesting.
There was a Sunderland Nissan worker newbie a bit ago and he was unrepentant, saying he'd just get another job. Might need to retrain though.
 
"Quizzling"?

Wasn't that the name of the Nazi sympathiser who ran Norway for the Germans during WW2? Similar set up to the Vichy State in France? Long time since I heard that one!

Vidkun Quisling. Not just a Nazi sympathizer, but the leader of Nasjonal Samling (National Unity/Rally), the Norwegian Nazis. He wanted to run Norway for the Germans, but the Germans wouldn't really let him because he was so unpopular. In the end we shot him, and he's the reason there are maybe ten people called Vidkun in Norway today, despite it being an old Norse name. Today quisling is quite literally in English dictionaries as a word for traitor and collaborator.

In other words, Vidkun Quisling really fecked up.
 
There was a Sunderland Nissan worker newbie a bit ago and he was unrepentant, saying he'd just get another job. Might need to retrain though.

Many thanks for that.
Just goes to show how stupid some people can be.
 
Vidkun Quisling. Not just a Nazi sympathizer, but the leader of Nasjonal Samling (National Unity/Rally), the Norwegian Nazis. He wanted to run Norway for the Germans, but the Germans wouldn't really let him because he was so unpopular. In the end we shot him, and he's the reason there are maybe ten people called Vidkun in Norway today, despite it being an old Norse name. Today quisling is quite literally in English dictionaries as a word for traitor and collaborator.

In other words, Vidkun Quisling really fecked up.

Thank you for that, knew he wasn't very popular in Norway, didn't realise you had shot him! A salutary lesson perhaps?
 
On the other hand a no deal Brexit will facilitate a trade deal with the US

The Uk's single biggest customer is the USA before Brexit - fortunately they have the EU to protect them from the USA dumping all their crap on the UK. After Brexit the UK can say goodbye to that and the industries which are producing what they are currently selling to the USA. American word for stupid is dumb.