Although the Uk has the fourth highest birth rate in the EU behind Ireland, France and Sweden but none of them are enough to grow the population alone.
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People have been living longer. My own mother died last year aged 97 but lived at home and had all her faculties right up to the end.
It's a question of interpretation. Smug? Am I excessively proud about my own achievements? No. In this context, am I proud that I didn't vote in the referendum? No. Am I proud that I don't understand politics, economics or law at even a basic level? No. Am I proud that the basis of my decision not to vote was my lack of knowledge on the critical issue being discussed? No. I'm a deeply flawed human being and I'm neither proud nor ashamed of that. I do find it useful to be vaguely aware of my own ignorance, which is what I think you've mistaken as pride.
So that's how something seemingly incoherent - being smug about being ignorant - can be true. It's because of your own interpretation, which from my very limited perspective, is not the right interpretation. The sad thing is, if I was on "your side", you'd interpret my motivations and actions entirely differently. Hence why you haven't had an issue with the passive aggression, smugness and general condescension from so many people in this thread. It's worth considering how the posts might influence people that don't fall into that camp, and how it might generate the tone you find so difficult to read.
Who do you think is currently defending Europe?
As someone whose mother has dementia and battling to get her into a home, I’m wondering what you would suggest instead? Shoot them all?
Wow... Harsh.
Hungarian government are attempting something like this, and I’ve heard it’s been mooted in Italy too.
Depends what stage she’s at. In my own families’ case, yes, I would have euthanised. I signed the DNR form which is the halfway house of course. Because that is morally acceptable currently.
I think euthanasia should be an option given the aging population, yes.
We are “generally” keeping people alive for too long, often by artificial interventions. Then we wonder why we have the problems that come with an aging population?
It's a new approach for me, admitting that he has no idea what he's talking about and telling everyone they are wrong.
Depressing, first one is the most depressing
I grew up in a country where corporal punishment is normal. I was flogged like crazy as a kid.
In uni, during my economics degree, we had an entire module dedicated to the EU, it's history, treaties and how it worked. This brexit thing has shown me I didn't understand jack shit.
So the Tories can roll them out to the polling station every five years.
Most people don't, it's technical and a lot of aspects are a mixture of british, french and german legal philosophy, it's a unique structure. There is nothing crazy about it but you basically need to have an understanding of international law and have good notions in comparative law which are fairly large subjects.
Contender for worst post of the decade here.
More chance of euthanasia being an option in liberal EU than a conservative UK. Imho.
A Dutch friend of mine with terminal cancer was given an injection by his GP, in the comfort of his own home. All fully discussed with family and was his dying wish. In Holland off course.
Broke: We need immigration to help pay for our ageing population.
Woke: We need to stop keeping old people alive.
Woke: We need to stop keeping old people alive.
In fairness we could use them all to test out the newly constructed public gallows
When I go to work tomorrow I’ll pop around to each ward and tell the nurses that there’s no point in keeping anyone over 65 (or maybe 60 depending on how full the ward is) alive and we should just discontinue all management.
I would say he has a point, he's just putting it across very, very badly, and making it sound like we should take OAPs out and shoot them.
Euthanasia should be legal in every country suffering from aging populations imo. it's just cruel to keep people alive when they and their family no longer see the point.
May I respectfully suggest that before making such statements about Russia that you first acquaint your self with the facts.
Russia hasn't pushed forward. Crimea, Ukraine spring to mind.
So thats why leave voters want to bring back the death penalty, to use as population control
Quite. But it you read my comments you will see that I speak about a European Army.
I also seem to remember that when I first raised this issue I was assured that there was no such policy, simply discussion between a few EU countries.
Now I am being told it is a fantastic idea.
Forget nostalgia. Let's talk about dystopia instead.
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For things like terminal cancer, Huntington’s etc. where the patient is suffering, I agree. He’s talking about people with dementia here. You would be hard pressed to find a family who wants to euthanize a relative with dementia, having dealt with a few of them in the past.
In such a scenario I think you'd find an increasing emphasis placed on when the family no longer see the point.
That will be NATO with assets from those European countries aligned to NATO but nominally under US command.
Question. Why is German still operating their Tornado bombers.
Answer. Because German has a NATO requirement to maintain nuclear capability and it does that by operating Tornado which can carry US supplied nuclear weapons.
I am referring to the EU mate
Yeah?
Well, can only speak from experience and observations whilst visiting & witnessing patients at that stage. I would not personally keep a patient with end stage - did you get that - END STAGE - as I said my own Mother had so we are absolutely clear on this as you seem to have missed that?
And yes, euthanasia should be an option available more widely as you acknowledge yourself.
Well I have just re-read your post and you definitely talked about Russia not pushing forward even when it was surrounded by US missiles.
I could have also reminded you about the Cuban Missile crisis.
The reason why Russia deployed nuclear missiles in Cuba was partly because NATO had stationed nuclear missiles in Turkey.
What is this obsession with Germany? I mean it's not as if the UK and France combined spend more than the bigger Russia when it comes to military expenditure or have their own nuclear weapons. And being able to defend yourself isn't solely based on nuclear weapons.
I am certainly not obsessed with Germany although I have worked there and have a number of German friends.
Regarding your post. You do realise I hope that both UK and France DO have their own independent nuclear weapons, separate from those of NATO.
Yes of course you can defend yourself without such weapons and I am all in favour of more spending on conventional weapons but unfortunately while there is a nuclear threat we have to be able to counter that threat.
Funny as i heard Trump pull out the same we're full line this morning. The USA can't take anymore people apparently.
I wouldn't discount that area of discussion completely as it does relate to us and the entire planet but are we really close to being full in the UK? We're going to carry on living longer and you've got the baby boom generation ageing so it's fairly evident we need migration to rebalance.
I wouldn't discount that area of discussion completely as it does relate to us and the entire planet but are we really close to being full in the UK? We're going to carry on living longer and you've got the baby boom generation ageing so it's fairly evident we need migration to rebalance.
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Older people could work longer than they are doing. Especially in sedentary occupations. Younger people could work in manual trades.
Meanwhile, what happens to the donor countries if we steal lots of their young people for the sake of our own selfish needs? No effects?
Some serious questions (and answers) needed looking at the medium & long term future of our country I think.
Are we full? Well, my town is. Hence another 8k houses + warehouses on green belt.
So you want the retirement age increased and for people to work longer instead of enabling policies that allow them to retire at the same age their parents did? That's nice, I guess.
Those "donor countries" are largely developing countries that are suffering from overpopulation of youth and a lack of an elderly population to support them due to much poor conditions and lower average life expectancy, basically the opposite of developed countries like the UK. It's almost like the current situation is a good thing for both of those sets of countries, or something.
Anyway you can talk all about controlled immigration all you want but from the stats so far it looks like the UK will let every bit as many people into the country as they were prior to the referendum, they just won't be from the EU, so .. yay?
Possibly. But you have brought up Germany twice. What does Germany wanting an aircraft carrier have to do with a theoretical European Army? You are consistently failing to understand that the individual countries within the EU are just that; individual countries with their own concerns, aims and agendas.
You seen to be under the impression his proves some sort of point for you?
A few people on an internet forum thinking a theoretical idea could be a good one, doesn't mean it's suddenly a fact and several European governments are scheming behind our backs.
Likewise, the fact that there is no policy, and only vague discussions about such an army doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea.
I guess we should try and engineer a solution through rates of immigration, rates of births and deaths in the UK that doesn’t involve anymore population growth. That’s all I’m saying.
Because you are against immigration?
Sounds distinctly fascist.
This is what I’m saying about this forum. It’s like a remainer arguing their case on the Mail’s comments section. Yeah I’m a fascist.
What part of the idea of maintaining a certain population size through mandatory euthanasia, controlled birth rates and limited immigration in order to encourage economic stability doesn't sound fascist to you?
Edit: N.B. I didn't call you a fascist, I said your suggestion sounds fascist.