I'm very much hoping that Remainder is a term to describe Leavers who don't give a feck about NI and Scotland...
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Factually incorrect? I said that I thought at least 50% of people with similar opinions to yourself were lying about how they voted - you could easily be among the other 50% so I'm not sure how that "fact" backs up the other 280,000 words you have written on the subject.
You should write shorter posts - there will be less to backtrack on when you've grasped the wrong end of the stick.
Euthanasia for who exactly?
I don’t really have a list, to be honest. But we could start with something along the lines of “anyone who volunteers for it and is medically evaluated as being of sound mind”
I still fail to see why any of this really relates to Brexit, mind.
Less EU people will come after brexit but they’ll be replaced by more Asians, Africans and South Americans.
On the euthanasia debate - there is a vast difference between "forced euthanasia" of the elderly and infirm and for example, the Dutch understanding as assisted suicide and termination of life upon request.
A sick person having the right to choose to end their own life is a very difference discussion to forcibly killing off old and sick people to solve over-population. Anyone advocating for the second option needs to go and have a sit down for themselves.
A sick person having the right to choose to end their own life is a very difference discussion to forcibly killing off old and sick people to solve over-population. Anyone advocating for the second option needs to go and have a sit down for themselves.
Euthanasia for who exactly?
The elderly, Liverpool fans, people who walk down the street staring at their phones instead of looking where they're going.
Over populations is a problem everywhere.
The funny thing is that in the UK you see teenage mums with a bunch of kids in buggies, more so than other EU countries imho. Sex education is the key
I entirely agree. I’ve gotten to the age now where not only have most of my friends got married and had kids, but that several of them are now having/trying for their second! (I’m early 30s).
Sex education, and also I would be trying to make some serious changes to the child welfare system to try not to incentivise people to have more than one child.
Liverpool fans - tick
Messi and Ronaldo fan boys - tick
People staring at phones - tick
@Brwned
If you're going to quote my posts to try and make a point, you're going to need to explain how they are relevant to the discussion we're having. Me being smug and condescending to you being wrong and silly is not the same as you being smug and condescending to someone else while you are still the one being wrong and silly.
If you're going to quote my posts to try and make a point, you're going to need to explain how they are relevant to the discussion we're having. Me being smug and condescending to you being wrong and silly is not the same as you being smug and condescending to someone else while you are still the one being wrong and silly.
I don't really see where the population control starts here. Population control insinuates that there is an institutionalized system that would artificially maintain a predetermined population density, it needs to be systemic otherwise you are controlling nothing. For example you could imagine a system that pays someone to end its life, the money could go to whoever they want.
I would do but I think that post is all we need to end the conversation. To me it's a good example of being smug and condescending, while also displaying your ignorance. It doesn't bother me that you can't see why, and you've shown no appetite to listen to an alternative view. Plus you asked me to use fewer words, so I thought I'd just use none of my own words. You seem to value your own much more.
I feel like this is nitpicking a bit, rather than looking at the spirit of the post/discussion. Either way, again I don’t see what this really has to do with Brexit, so I am going to stop here. The only reason I posted was to illustrate that some of the ideas being discussed are not exclusive to leave voters/supporters.
There's some very alarming remarks been made about euthanasia. Even if you're in favour of people having the right to opt for euthanasia, that won't make much difference to population numbers - only compulsory euthanasia would do that. Be careful what you wish for.
Population growth is a concern for most countries. But I rather doubt either Euthanasia or the death penalty is an effective control for population growth. It is, surely, a miniscule number of people/families that would rather be euthanised? And the death penalty would hardly make a dent also, even if you kill all the inmates currently serving life sentences in the UK (<10k).
This is not to say it is not fine if you support these positions from a moral/political perspective.
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That's not nitpicking that's what the other poster was talking about, population control, and you described euthanasia as a form of population control. I'm sorry If I'm sticking to the point that both of you were making about population control. And the issue with his ideas weren't that they are limited to leavers, they are absolutely daft.
You may be right Penna, but it’s a start. Societal views change dramatically over time, and what is currently deemed as something that very few people would do, may become more commonplace as society begins to accept and adjust.
With constantly advancing medicka techbology allowing people to live longer and longer, people can have longer and longer retirements. Pensions may run out, and quality of life may go downhill (if you are essentially being kept alive by medicine). I could easily imagine the uptake on voluntary euthanasia increasing dramatically over time.
Scary isn't it. If they were next in line, their view may change. Where is the UK heading?
Fair enough. I've no interest in continuing a conversation with someone unable or unwilling to engage in proper debate. Best of luck with your words and views.
I don't know if we have to intervene quite so dramatically. Apparently, expected life in the UK has tailed off recently. It may well be that population plateaus as an equilibrium is reached between what the earth can support and number of humans.
Actually, a traumatic event like Brexit might brake population growth quite a bit, albeit inadvertently.
I’m for euthanasia being legalised but I don’t think it would do that much to impact the aging population, nor that it should be legalised with that intent.
I've looked after a lot of folk with chronic and terminal illness, and the vast majority of them held on tightly to life right until the end. Dementia is awful and upsetting if it's your loved one who's affected, but no-one knows what the person with dementia is thinking. There was a very shocking case in Holland recently, where a woman with dementia was restrained so that she could be given a lethal injection.
I have no idea, Paul, but that particular Pandora's box should never be opened. You start off with a set of strict guidelines, and then they get frayed around the edges, and before you know it old folk with no-one to advocate for them will have their mortal coils shuffled off for them.
This is exactly how Thatcher's Britain started.
How is that not murder?
He’s under criminal investigation so it might be.
@Penna
I just can’t agree with your view on euthanasia, look at this case for example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...dongen-berlinah-wallace-bristol-a8312596.html
Why should someone like that have to go through unbearable suffering for years until they waste away?
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People taking about overpopulation when there's way too much waste in our systems, no mention of moving towards sustainability or building up infrastructure, no..... Let's kill people, that's what we'll do. I know, what about a Purge?
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Surely only a minuscule percentage of the population actually want to be euthanised. How would that solve anything?
Well, I think it was, but then, I'm opposed to euthanasia under any circumstances - I'm aware that many people would disagree with me. If you google "Dutch woman restrained for euthanasia" you'll find more details - the doctor was reprimanded, but cleared in a criminal prosecution.
@Classical Mechanic, I read about that terrible case, I feel for that man and I can understand why he made his decision. It's very different from someone who no longer has capacity to give consent at the point of dying, though.
Anyway, I'm helping to take this thread off-topic, so I'll stop now.
Maybe a purge of leavers would help
Jesus, this thread has taken a weird and dark turn. Brexit has clearly driven us all so insane that we're contemplating population control through mass killings.
Anyone suggesting euthanasia as a means of population control is truly a worrying person to me.
That plus no proper Brexit action today.
Hold up, aren't you Danish anyway? So I'm not sure you could have voted, even if you wanted to? Happy to be proven wrong if that isn't the case...
Do any of you condescending, self righteous remainers understand why people with other opinions to your own, despise you to the core?
This seems like the equivalent of ASTD (attention seeking twat disorder) for posts. Why don't you just respond to a specific post, instead of trying to wind up most of the posters?
Haha how dramatic
I think we understand perfectly. People don't like a light being shone on their idiocy and small mindedness.
Farage and Trump both get terribly upset when it's done to them too.