A pity a party that champions itself as progressive cannot be bothered to champion the immense benefit of FOM.
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Both Corbyn and May won't budge on FoM. It really goes to show that the Brexit vote was against immigration and they know it. They know that they can budge on the other things but if soften their stance on that then the knives will be out (figuratively and unfortunately literally)
Apparently Lavery offered to resign for breaking the whip twice, but it was refused.
This guy nails it. It's disheartening.
So if Cooper’s bill passes tonight it will allow Remainers to vote against May’s deal again without causing a no deal. Smart.
As Corbyn and May have both ruled out a soft Brexit, there's no reason to have an extension.
Corbyn claims to still be asking for a 2nd referendum in his talks with May, so we’ll see.
I'm actually not opposed to ending freedom of movement as long as we have a sensible immigration policy. It's the outcome not the mechanism thats important
No single market then. No Norway plus , no 2.0. Strange
You're not able to get rid of FOM and avoid a hard Irish border though, are you? Seems like unicorn territory again.
I think there also needs to be an understanding it's not only stopping people coming to the UK... It's also taking away everybody right to live and work in Europe as well... I think the taking away of that right is pretty important and that currently it is stopping people coming rather than protecting our rights to live and work abroad that takes priority
It is of course a two way negotiation but only one side of it seems to get any attention
Can't criticise Corbyn.
current deal does it
Backstop forever then?
2nd Reading of No Deal Bill has got through by a majority of 5
I'm not saying i want rid of it I'm saying that in itself isn't an issue to me. It's a footnote compared to the actual issues.
I think there would be adequote reciprocal arrangements to deliver these rights. They're mutually beneficial
I think there would be adequote reciprocal arrangements to deliver these rights. They're mutually beneficial
He’s going to feck his own membership if he thinks he can get away with it.
Sums up the mess quite well
Can't wait for the Corbyn fanatics to come in here and defend him
Fukin hellThis is rich coming from someone whose actions have resulted in people commiting suicide.
Totally understand his stance.
He knows Labour will be toast in their heartlands in the North of England if he doesn’t end FoM or he backs another referendum.
It might be to the EU project I'm not arguing otherwise. In terms of long term impacts it might be detrimental with anti-immigrant parties rising too.
If our own government followed the likes of Germany in loosened immigration laws and dropped the high wage threshold etc then it's impact would be minimised in the short term. It requires arrangement with a lot of countries rather than the block though
Ed Woodward must be in London
The way I understand it, any deal with Europe will involve a backstop. They'll insist on it regardless. Only a no-deal crash out would avoid it, and risk a hard border instead.
But the UK have never implemented the rights they already have and would continue to have which is that immigrants have to not be a burden on the state. Why not implement this?
Immigration isn't going to reduce. You've seen that whilst EU immigration has reduced considerably since 2016 it has been replaced by immigration from the rest of the world and supposedly the UK have full control over non-EU immigrants.
Yes it would require 27 different agreements. Single Market is vital to the UK , not "access" to it. All countries have access to it in different ways, it's meaningless. Custom's Union alone is a crumb of comfort , that's all. But you need both.
Even in an no-deal there would be some sort of backstop to keep the border open, just to add to the chaos if it did happen.
www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/eu-uk-brexit-choices-no-deal-delay
If the Uk were in the Single Market and Customs Union there would be no need.
Exactly. At a minimum the backstop (in one form or another) is inevitable. It's just a question of how much damage the UK first decides to do to itself, Ireland, the EU and the relationships between all three.
A No Deal Brexit sees the UK having to make the same compromises, just from a much worse position.
Not paid attention for last few days - any significant progress?
Have a guess.
well one can hope
A no deal crash out wouldn't create a risk of a hard border. It'd create a hard border. And it would avoid the backstop for about a week until you decide you'd like to be able to trade with the rest of Europe and it'd be the first thing put back on the table.
No deal doesn't solve any problems. They dont go away if you crash out.
No additional.short delay then.
I'm sure May knew this but was playing to the ERG in the audience.
Juncker rejects May appeal for a further short Brexit delay
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...o-refuse-may-appeal-for-further-brexit-delay?
I'm sure May knew this but was playing to the ERG in the audience.
Juncker rejects May appeal for a further short Brexit delay
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...o-refuse-may-appeal-for-further-brexit-delay?
why is no deal still 3/1 with the bookies?
it feels kind of 50/50 to me, at this point (although admittedly I have no clue)
it feels kind of 50/50 to me, at this point (although admittedly I have no clue)