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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Absolutely. All trust is smashed and it's way more adversorial now- ie remoaners, Brexiteers are racists etc...Sad that it's driven a big wedge between my mother and her partner and the wife and I.

Oh come on. Family is way more important than politics.
You can have no influence on Brexit but you can with your family. Agree to disagree then kiss and make-up.
 
Why is Parliament struggling to sort this?
35million people took 2 seconds, in a binary vote, to get us here.
Anyone would think this was too complex an issue, to put before an uninformed electorate, in a referendum.

At least our MPs are representative.
fecking idiots voted for by fecking idiots.
 
It does if the EU won't delay Brexit any further. It'd either be revoke or no deal.

Why wouldn't the EU delay Brexit any further. You heard Tusk and the others. It would be a massive victory for them. The longer the delay the more likely we are to remain because they know that people are getting totally sick and fed up of the ongoing problems.
 
Why is Parliament struggling to sort this?
35million people took 2 seconds, in a binary vote, to get us here.
Anyone would think this was too complex an issue, to put before an uninformed electorate, in a referendum.

And there in lies the problem.
People took 2 seconds to vote. Something as monumentous as deciding to leave the EU decided by many with little or no thought process.

And this following David Cameron calling for a referendum with little or no thought process or planning.

And we wonder why we are in this shambolic mess.
 
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He seems to have solved the Irish border problem as there's no mention of Northern Ireland.

You would have thought if you were writing a stupid placard you'd at least get your facts and spelling right . Brexiter through and through.

You see. Christians were right all along.
Nigel Farage is the second coming (hope I spelt that right).
Praise be the Lord. He has sent his second son to save us from the evil EU....Hallelujah.
 
Why wouldn't the EU delay Brexit any further. You heard Tusk and the others. It would be a massive victory for them. The longer the delay the more likely we are to remain because they know that people are getting totally sick and fed up of the ongoing problems.
They are afraid of what might pop up in Brussels after the potential EU elections in the UK.
 
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We need a general election.

Let Corbyn have a go of this Brexit thing, then we can all hunt Jews later.

I just want it sorted now. In or out. The businesses are suffering, Europe is facepalming, everyone is sick of it.
 
It's totally hypocritical for them to campaign to stay in the EU on the basis that leaving would do damage to the Scottish economy etc when Scotland is more dependent on the UK internal market than the UK is with the EU economically.
It isn’t. Leaving the UK wouldn’t mean Scotland wouldn’t still trade with England, they clearly would. It’s not as though the 26 counties here don’t trade with England massively despite being independent for years.
 
Why is Parliament struggling to sort this?
35million people took 2 seconds, in a binary vote, to get us here.
Anyone would think this was too complex an issue, to put before an uninformed electorate, in a referendum.

At least our MPs are representative.
fecking idiots voted for by fecking idiots.

People forget, MPs CHOSE to put the vote to the people, then CHOSE to trigger article 50 based on the result.

So when we have them screeching and reeing about not agreeing with this, not wanting that, the people didnt know what they were voting for etc.

These were the stupid feckers who decided to put it to the people in the forst place, then decided to kick it all off.

Its not the public that is to blame, its not uneducated white people from the former coal towns, or racists, or just ignorant zenophobes, or what ever other slur people want to throw at the people who voted to leave,

Its the MPs that are to blame 100%, for starting the process, for not being genuine in their voting intentions, and for the monkey shit flinging they have been indulging themselves in for the past two and a bit years.
 
It isn’t. Leaving the UK wouldn’t mean Scotland wouldn’t still trade with England, they clearly would. It’s not as though the 26 counties here don’t trade with England massively despite being independent for years.

If the UK leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK to join the EU, then yes it will still trade with the UK, the same way that the UK will still trade with the EU once it leaves. So in the case you state - it’s exactly the same as Brexit. It’s exactly the same argument that brexiteers like to come out with ‘its scaremongering, of course we’ll still trade with the EU’. Yes, but on what terms.

The rub is that 15% of Scottish jobs are completely dependent on the UK internal market, more specifically with England, this includes one of their two crown jewel industries, their financial sector, which mostly sells financial products to English customers. Naturally the majority of these jobs will come to England or other parts of the UK, why would they cut their profit margin to stay in Scotland where trading terms are worse because they are the EU? It would also be bad for business from a PR perspective for these banks to stay in Scotland and the EU.

Personally I think it would be good for England if Scotland went independent because there’d be a massive opportunity to get that financial sector here, I’d specifically like to see Manchester make a play for it.
 
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Thought I'd pop over to look at the Daily Mail, a rare imposed insanity but they are now calling the Hard Brexiters traitors for not backing May's deal.


But more to the point I now understand why people are so in favour of the Custom's Union motion.

It is incorrect , Goods will not be able to move freely between the UK and the EU with just a Custom's Union.
 
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Thought I'd pop over to look at the Daily Mail, a rare imposed insanity but they are now calling the Hard Brexiters traitors for not backing May's deal.


But more to the point I now understand why people are so in favour of the Custom's Union motion.

It is incorrect , Goods will not be able to move freely between the UK and the EU with just a Custom's Union.

Someone should send them to the Bulgaria-Turkey border.
 
Should there be a no-deal, the EU would set the UK three preconditions to enter trade talks the note states:

  • Ensuring that Britain abides by its financial commitments — the so-called Brexit bill part of the agreement;

  • Guaranteeing the rights of EU citizens in the UK as well as of Britons working and residing elsewhere in the EU;

  • Finding a solution that keeps open the border in Northern Ireland along the lines of the arrangement in the withdrawal agreement, meaning the backstop — the insurance policy that ensures that the border in Ireland remains open under all circumstances.
(Taken from www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/eu-uk-brexit-choices-no-deal-delay)
 
So the options narrow.

1) Hard Brexit
2) Long delay assuming the EU agrees to it.

In the event of 2) Euro elections will have to include the UK and even to get there there will have to be more on offer than "Can we have more time to argue please?"

How about a GE and 2nd (possibly binding) referendum at the same time?

The options being 1) leave or stay and 2) If leave May's deal or no deal?
 
Someone should send them to the Bulgaria-Turkey border.

That has nothing to do with movement of goods though?

From what i previously read that's to do with truck permits, goods are free to move. Surely no one foresees issues with truck controls between NI and the republic even if they're then going on to central europe?
 
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That has nothing to do with movement of goods though?

From what i previously read that's to do with truck permits, goods are free to move. Surely no one foresees issues with truck controls between NI and the republic even if they're then going on to central europe?
As far as I know a customs union reduces the need for checks but doesn't eliminate them entirely. For that you need a harmony of standards between both sides, ie with the single market. Which is more along the lines of Labour's proposal, but I don't see that getting Tory support.
 
That has nothing to do with movement of goods though?

From what i previously read that's to do with truck permits, goods are free to move. Surely no one foresees issues with truck controls between NI and the republic even if they're then going on to central europe?

There are custom checks between Turkey and the EU on top of the necessity to check truck drivers permits and routes. Also that's not the issue, there is an actual border and infrastructures along it which is the problem that we have with the Irish border, if the turkish model was acceptable we wouldn't be in that situation.
 
Ignoring a referendum where it was laid out in plain terms what voting out entailed (and all the scare mongering that came with it) and then demanding a second referendum before the results of the first one is even implemented or asking for a soft brexit which isn’t actually what leave was painted as (by both sides), is democratic I suppose?

You’re all asking for the far right to truly have cause to get behind by literally wanting to overturn the results of the referendum.
The reason not to have a referendum over EVERY little issue is that Democracy allows for people who are more qualified than the general population (ie. politicians) to make the more complicated decisions.

But if they can't (ie. as in NOW), what other recourse is there over than another Referendum?
 
For terrorism ?

Brexit causes more terrorism.

I feel thats a reach if I'm honest.

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