May's gonna have another go.
Jesus wept.
Jesus wept.
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I'm not sure about that question because only remain is currently viable long term.
If they're hypocritical cnuts, what makes Westminster who campaigned for the Union on the basis that Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU without it, only for a Referendum to be called a couple of years later which screwed them out of it anyways, and that too despite Scotland overwhelmingly voting to remain?
dis-mayMay's gonna have another go.
Jesus wept.
Maybe so but the motivation for a formerly colonised country to want independence are obvious, right? And these are very different to the motivations behind the Uk wanting to leave the EU.
And I don’t see why it’s hypocritical to hold on to these motivations while also not wanting the UK government to railroad them down a path which makes their future prosperity even more tenuous than it would be as an EU member. As I said, that’s not hypocritical, just pragmatic.
In other words get out the brown envelopes.
You clearly have more sense than most MPs
More like drop the backstop. Good luck with that.
Scotland isn't a 'former colonised country'. It joined the union voluntarily after it found itself in financial dire straits after bodging its own attempts at colonialism in South America. It joined the union in order to escape financial peril and to get back in on the colonising. Joining the union had an economically transformational effect on Scotland and they were key players in many aspects of the Empire.
wtf, she can have as many goes as she likes but we can't have a 2nd go?
Infuriating isn’t it?
These people lie without a second thought.
With their secret weapon of nothing on under their kilts on the Khyber Pass.
EU says no-deal now 'a likely scenario' and that managed no-deal won't be on offer
Here is the full statement from the European commissionfollowing the vote in the Commons.
The commission regrets the negative vote in the House of Commons today. As per the European council (Article 50) decision on 22 March, the period provided for in article 50(3) is extended to 12 April. It will be for the UK to indicate the way forward before that date, for consideration by the European council.
A “no-deal” scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario. The EU has been preparing for this since December 2017 and is now fully prepared for a “no-deal” scenario at midnight on 12 April. The EU will remain united. The benefits of the withdrawal agreement, including a transition period, will in no circumstances be replicated in a “no-deal” scenario. Sectoral mini-deals are not an option.
Here is the full statement from the European commissionfollowing the vote in the Commons.
The commission regrets the negative vote in the House of Commons today. As per the European council (Article 50) decision on 22 March, the period provided for in article 50(3) is extended to 12 April. It will be for the UK to indicate the way forward before that date, for consideration by the European council.
A “no-deal” scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario. The EU has been preparing for this since December 2017 and is now fully prepared for a “no-deal” scenario at midnight on 12 April. The EU will remain united. The benefits of the withdrawal agreement, including a transition period, will in no circumstances be replicated in a “no-deal” scenario. Sectoral mini-deals are not an option.
May's gonna have another go.
Jesus wept.
Bercow won't allow it.
I don't necessarily want it, I'm just saying that would be the most logical. That would mean majority want to Leave so let's see which Leave scenario would the country prefer. Remainers would then at least get a choice, too: they can vote to avoid No Deal.
I assume everyone has built a formidable stockpile by now, but if not, I'd do it this weekend.
MV3: The Search for Spockwtf, she can have as many goes as she likes but we can't have a 2nd go?
My assumptions are the following:
BINO: The UK will at some point realize that it's not a good idea to be rule takers and will want to be at the forefront of lawmaking which will lead to a deeper integration than BINO aka EU or EFTA full membership.
No deal: The Irish border will have to be dealt with by either going into a BINO agreement or irish people will take care of the issue themselves and reunite, I could also see Scotland leave the union.
Maybe I lack imagination but I don't really see any other scenario and certainly not one where things stop at No deal.
With the UK not having anything up their sleeve to stop it, seems inevitable .
Ffs, when is her party going to step in & stop her?
How is Theresa Mugabe still in power?
You can't make that kind of assumption, hypothetically, if May deal (25%), no deal (30%), remain (45%), the logical thing to do is get rid of the least supported and go round 2 with the 2 better supported options.
No deal will likely lead to Scotland demanding another referendum very soon and create another border issue.
Because no-one else wants the job.
Stockpile of what? Basic necessities?
It's a fecking scandal she's allowed to do this.
Hot Canadian men he means.
Nobody can challenge her anyway until... when was the vote of confidence? November? December?
Yes, I'd say enough food for at least a month, two months of household necessities (toilet paper, toiletries, nappies etc) and advance supplies of any important medicines you need.
How the feck can we have four votes on the same thing but a send referendum is an affront to democracy?
Because the 2016 referendum must be respected, nothing else needs to be.
They didn't want the job then either. and do you seriously think Corbyn wants to be in office now.
Just like in the sci fi movies where you relive the same sequence of events over and over again.
This is the crux of it. Hard Brexiteers want her to be the one that falls on the sword of no deal and are guiding her towards it.
Soft Brexiteers know it’s and impossible task and are happy to leave her get the blame.
No true remainer with a remain agenda would ever get support for the job.
I dont think Corbyn ever wanted the job to be honest. I think he curses the day he listened to John McDonnell.
pwned by a history lesson! Fair play. I’ll have to take that one on the chin. Still, though, I don’t think there’s anything hypocritical in the SNP wanting to disentangle Scotland from the eurosceptic UK, while doing everything it can to remain part of the EU. Happy to agree to disagree on this point.
Maybe these pricks should have thought about this at the time of the referendum...
Johnson wants the job, to be fair.
The control of Brexit it now seems would finally and irrevocably switch to the EU, regardless of what the UK Parliament do; unless that is they return to the binary option of Leave(No deal) or Revoke A50/Remain and choose one or the other. The controlling levers now rest with the 27 nations to be precise, to allow a long extension, or not!
What sorts of dilemmas that creates for each nation is hard to tell. However past experience would suggest that Germany would be the driving force and therefore get its way, but with Merkel also leaving the stage shortly, that's not a slam dunk! It also looks like the most vociferous opponent of the long extension would be Macron because of his own problems, can't see him wanting the UK involved in the EU elections, but a delay would give him longer to placate his fishermen, especially as we would still be involved in the Common Fisheries Policy requirements. Spain would want to pursue the Gibraltar matter, presumably it would help them if there were no UK MEP's in the EU parliament? Other countries may also have their 'preferred outcomes' to pursue as well.
IMO I don't really think it matters what Parliament comes up with next week, May is not listening her 'tin ear' will have fallen off altogether and I suspect now neither is the EU, they wont change the WA and have the high ground and a clear run at sorting the trading situation.
Game set and match to the EU.
What sorts of dilemmas that creates for each nation is hard to tell. However past experience would suggest that Germany would be the driving force and therefore get its way, but with Merkel also leaving the stage shortly, that's not a slam dunk! It also looks like the most vociferous opponent of the long extension would be Macron because of his own problems, can't see him wanting the UK involved in the EU elections, but a delay would give him longer to placate his fishermen, especially as we would still be involved in the Common Fisheries Policy requirements. Spain would want to pursue the Gibraltar matter, presumably it would help them if there were no UK MEP's in the EU parliament? Other countries may also have their 'preferred outcomes' to pursue as well.
IMO I don't really think it matters what Parliament comes up with next week, May is not listening her 'tin ear' will have fallen off altogether and I suspect now neither is the EU, they wont change the WA and have the high ground and a clear run at sorting the trading situation.
Game set and match to the EU.