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Not sure this will work
That's literally irrelevant. Analogies are used to show how basic principles apply to different subjects including ones that are exaggerated or not on the same scale. In the analogy I used, the reason the tutor would say no, is not because they're dealing with a child and so what you posted is not relevant. The reason they would say no is because not starting something until the last minute provides a clear indication to the person being asked for said extension, that they have no clear desire to do the work in the first place, that they can't motivate themselves to do it and that nothing is likely to change.
As such, there is no reason why the EU should give an extension to somebody who asked for it only because in the two years they had to come up with something, they did absolutely nothing. There is no incentive there, no reason to believe that they're going to do anything different because we haven't given them any reason to believe so, however it does come at a potential downside of impacting them and their elections.
Like I said, I would love an extension, I would love the entire thing to be cancelled. But we're suffering from the same delusion here that the leavers suffered from before the referendum which is that we are so important that 26 countries are going to bow to whatever issue we have when the reality is we're just incredibly lazy about fixing our own problems and not as important as we thought we were. Neither of those traits are favourable when trying to leverage something.
A border literally effects one of their members
Yeah we are just repeating ourselves.
That really doesn't mean much. They gave us two years and we did nothing. A request for an extension is a request of goodwill, and must offer something in return to show that the goodwill gesture is warranted. So long as we are able to offer nothing in return to satisfy why we need an extension other than our government have no idea what they're doing, then there comes a point where the EU are correct to think 'feck off, you've had long enough and you're not even trying to work on the thing you want the extension for'. That's just normal human behaviour to think like that. The UK expecting the EU to pander to them based on them needing to care about something that the UK didn't care about themselves for 2 years, is the height of arrogance.
While our government is a joke, the 2 year timeline has been plucked out of an arse somewhere. No point pretending we’ve taken too long to decide what we are going to do, as there’s no precedent for such an event
Genuinely what are your reasons for voting leave?
Please no arbitrary things like sovereignty or lies that are proven facts.
Is localisation of powers not a valid reason?
Not when it has been proven that we have always had control over our rules and regulations that relate to things that will actually impact people like boarder control etc. We have always had full control sovereignty
So you voted to leave Europe, meaning they no longer have to remain neutral and will be far more likely to back Spain in any future disputes.
Farage better not come over here
Cameron miscalculated those EU negotiations - so woolly were the changes discussed that it did nothing to convince eurosceptics to consider changing voting remain in the event of a referendum.
The renegotiations were mostly cosmetic - the EU paying lip service in a bid to help the ‘remain’ cause. Cameron knew it, he was just hoping to pull wool over skeptical eyes.
You don’t have to be a ‘leaver’ to know that the EU’s appetite for positive reform is as small as it ever was.
You can’t press on with an ever closer union and further centralisation and not expect discontent to grow - because no matter whether those fears are misplaced, they are fears nonetheless. And dismissing those voices only adds to the disillusionment. At some point you have to tackle it. A degree of genuine devolvement would go some way to securing the future of the EU - with or without the UK.
Depends on exactly what powers you want localised
Hammond i reckon, he looks so bored of it all even when he's rolled out for an appearance
Sooo.... ehm... today is the big day ? Has the extension already happened? Wasn't it contingent on Westminster getting it's shxt together, or has that been ruled unrealistic?
My sympathy to the 47 million that did not vote for this and have been kidnapped for the journey. I hope one day it's the decency of those 47 million that represent Britain again, like it always used to do until a couple of years ago. Good luck.
My sympathy to the 47 million that did not vote for this and have been kidnapped for the journey. I hope one day it's the decency of those 47 million that represent Britain again, like it always used to do until a couple of years ago. Good luck.
Extension to 12 April has already happened. Further extension to 22 May is contingent on the Withdrawal Agreement being voted through the House of Commons tomorrow.
It won't get voted through. We are therefore likely looking at two possible outcomes:
1) No deal crash out on 12 April. This outcome is, essentially, Armageddon.
2) Long extension to A50 (perhaps 2+ years, to be agreed by the EU 27). This outcome would necessitate the UK taking part in this summer's EU elections. I think it's quite possible that, in this scenario, Brexit will never actually happen.
Oh, alright, thanks. Been a bit too busy to keep up the last 2 weeks and was confused about the state of things. Whichever way this is resolved I hope it doesn't involve Armageddon.
That's really the wrong argument to use since we (Southern Europeans) save thousands of lives every year and all we get in exchange from the Nordic and Eastern European countries is that its our problem and we are the ones who must deal with it. All attempts of a mandatory burden sharing had been shot down with countries (especially the Nordic countries and Eastern Europe) who expect us to save every poor soul that flees the countries while making sure we keep all migrants saved locked inside our territory under the unfair and in this case quite ironic (for the name) Dublin treaty which is quite telling considering that we aren't the ones who are bombing other countries or arming regimes.
Also I never said we shouldn't give a shit. All I said is that a long extension with no direction whatsoever to were discussions will end is wrong. Extension means that a country who do not have the union's future at heart gets to decide its future. There are less intrusive ways to keep the borders open.
Speaking of not giving a shit about the GFA you might not notice but we're not the ones who voted to put the GFA at risk and we're certainly not the ones who refuse any solutions to the problem (the WA, remaining in the single market etc)
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We live in hope
Is there any reason for the EU27 to agree to this?
No idea yet but “fight the shite” would be a great slogan
Article 50 was designed by a Brit and you knew exactly what you were going into once activating article 50. Also note that it's not the EU job to make brexit a success
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This is how politicians should be held to account:
But the EU doesn't want devolvement. They don't see it as positive reform.
And I'm sorry but no sane person could gave expected even further concessions to the UK. You lot opted out of almost everything, you contribute less per capita than ITALY - if that's still not good enough, it's probably better if you leave instead of expecting the EU to cater to your every whim.
Blaming the BBC for accurately reporting the exact words he used. I hope this opportunist conman slides back into obscurity with the millions he has earned, never to darken our doors again, once this is all over.Just seen on social media, people planning to drive stupidly slow along the M60 from Heaton Park at 7:30/8:00 this morning. For those that know the M60 that's all they'll be doing anyway, it's gridlocked at that time no matter what.
I'd really love to speak to some of the idiots that have gone out of their way to sit in rush hour traffic for no reason
I'd really love to speak to some of the idiots that have gone out of their way to sit in rush hour traffic for no reason
So what happens today? Or rather, what is supposed to happen, but won't?
Nothing? Extended to 12th so that is now the new today.
There's a vote on the withdrawal section of the withdrawal agreement.
I have zero sympathy for the people who couldn't get off their lazy arses to vote. Maybe this shitshow will lead them to stop being so ignorant next time, but I don't hold out much hope of that.
Labour voting against the withdrawal agreement today is a tough sell really. Stammer out trying his best and with good reason but to the layman it doesn't look good.
Right. I haven't followed Brexit closely over the last weeks or months, and I don't understand anything that's going on right now. Like the British parliament, I guess
It's the only way they could prevent a no deal crash out. It also opens up the possibility of us changing our minds and remaining.