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Yes, of course it's a possibility. But as far as I understad, the heads of state in the EC don't tend to use their veto unless they have considerable support, or if it's a vote they domestically speaking cannot affort to lose for political reasons.
I don't see any of those factors in play here - Slovenia probably isn't going to block an extension anchored in a majority in the EC, there is too much at stake for that. I just can't really see it happening.
According to Katya Adler there will be an extension, its just a matter of short vs long and all of the implications that follow.
She has done a good twitter thread on it but i cant post it because im getting error messages.
No. Labour were never going to work with the Tories, though from a PR point of view the Tories should probably have asked.
Laura Kuenssberg tweets:
a no confidence motion if passed would i guess guarantee a no deal brexit due to timings etc... could see the ERG shafting her with that to be honest
At least Hitler reacted.
If May added a promise to stand down to her deal that should be change enough to satisfy Bercow on a third vote, although it wouldn't happen until the last minute. She's already said she'll stand down before the next election anyway, and there's a plan that could see her going out as a winner. And there aren't too many other ways she's going to do that.
Breakfast, obviously. We've been through this before haven't we?
Leadsom, the Wicked Witch of the Westminster.
How does May standing down as part of the deal change anything.
She’s the current PM, the deal outlines a huge array of agreements that have nothing to do with who the current PM is and I highly doubt that Bercow cares who the PM is or that he thinks it’s consequential in any way.
And nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
That's what Brexit is a bunch of pointless slogans.
Yeah i don't see that flying either. There's a chance the EU will make the extension offer subject to another vote at Mays request to try and force the issue.
Let's not forget Bercows call can be overturned by another motion anyway so it's the DUP and her own party that May needs to convince.
I've no quotes sorry but I've read that quite a few of her own MPs are asking for her to stand down as a condition of them changing their vote. Your opinion of Bercow is as good as mine, but I think he would be chuffed to bits with her scalp on his belt, as he would see it. I'm not putting the scenario forward as probable of course, just a possible.
I dunno - he is still at the end of the day a conservative MP and has been for over 20 years
I also think he will leave himself as soon as there is some brexit clarity (deal or long extension) as hes now seen as too divisive a figure to continue in that role by many MP's
The Tories hate Bercow with a vengeance, and he revels in it. Labour were nicely mischievous when they nominated him for speaker and I remember the Tories being unhappy at the time.
If he were still a regular MP I think he would have joined The Independent Group, he was definitely close to the centre, perhaps even akin to New Labour.
The EU should simply say Friday next week that enough is enough, leave is leave so go no deal and now deal with the consequences.
If MPs had voted for indicative votes, would this have been substantial enough for May to present to the EU in order to get an extension?
I'm still astonished that just over half of the Commons voted against this.
I'm still astonished that just over half of the Commons voted against this.
An extension would still result in the same uncertainty about the WA. May doesn't seem to have the numbers, an extension won't change that.
I am hopeful the EU27 will then not allow an extension, without May accepting a second referendum. Macron (and others) needs to hold there ground on this.
May won't be able to do that.
May will then face no deal or withdrawing article 50 and fairly certain will go with the latter.
I am hopeful the EU27 will then not allow an extension, without May accepting a second referendum. Macron (and others) needs to hold there ground on this.
May won't be able to do that.
May will then face no deal or withdrawing article 50 and fairly certain will go with the latter.
As long as I have enough time to get these Iberdrola shares handed over into my name and sold before everything goes to pot I'm happy.
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It would have forced them to actually put their thoughts out and back something (on an individual and perhaps party level). They are all far happier refusing to take any control of the process so that they can just blame May.
I wonder if Brexit on the 29th isn't the best way to get a deal quickly. It seems that parliament will only act with maturity when they have no other option and a no deal brexit next week seems to be the obvious context.
I don't understand this. If the deal is not acceptable to them, that should be independent of the name of the Prime Minister. Will May resigning make it a better deal?
I don't see the UK parliament getting a majority consensus on anything and I don't think the EU believe they will either. No deal still looks most likely to me. Something radical has to happen quickly and parliament are still sleepwalking.
That's my point. By leaving on the 29th, I think that there are more chances to get a deal quickly after the 29th than if you extend the transition period.
No it won't. Politicians disagree even in the same party, and end up hating each other for both policy and personal reasons. I don't know where you work but a lot of people will recognise this in their own workplaces, strangely the higher you go the more it seems to apply. Look at Labour now, the Corbynites hate the Centrists more than they do the Tories, it's the way of the world I'm afraid
.I'm no certain she will at all. I'd much prefer her to, but she seems to see her job as delivering brexit no matter what. So much more likely we leave without a deal and she then resigns.
It's all about party politics, unfortunately.
Even at 1 minute to 11.oo pm on the 29th there will be hesitation. Only when 'No deal' passes into UK law can real discussions take place with the EU about future trade deals (which in fairness they have said from the off!). If we have signed off on any sort of WA 'deal' without trade, before 11.00pm on 29th, then we are f***ed; France will be on about fishing, Spain about Gibraltar and God knows what else an endless litany of working out deals with 27 countries is potentially in the offing for years to come.
Until "Brexit means Brexit" nothing gets done... oh woe is me!!
Of course at 1 minute to 11.oo pm on the 29th, Theresa could withdraw A50!! Wonder what odds you get on this outcome?
But if they leave on 29th there is no transition period. Until reality slaps them in the face I can see them procrastinating forever more.
A few months of no deal and they'll be begging for re-entry.
That's my point, all these transition periods, withdrawal agreements and other extensions created a situation where UK MPs have been focused on everything but the UK and its relationship with the world. Without a deal on March 30th, they will be forced to change their priorities.
Logically yes, but the party politics would still continue, which is far more important to all of them. There's very little logic in parliament.
I hope they force them into Schengen and the Eurozone as part of it.
It would be ironic.