Thats true of every country's politicians, you just need the right platform to highlight it on a global stage.
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More of a moron storage facility than a parliament.
That's true and they have the audacity to call themselves the elite.
I'm not sure thats correct. We the people call them elite because they are fireproof in any disaster situation. They'll always be ok.
In France they call themselves the elite because they think that they are smart and have answers that the average man doesn't. The fireproof part is simply a function of the influence that they get as politicians.
The first past the post voting system is very counter-productive, I think. Every candidate needs to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. Bland morons (and charismatic con men) tend to be the best at that.
Bear in mind we got Fraser Anning via proportional representation.
We should hold a referendum to get rid of Johnson, Chameleon Gove, and Farage. I promise the country will be instantly better.
I am not so sure. History has seen national leaders tackle big issues and crises with far greater maturity than this in the past. Not all political periods are equal in competence and yours is probably at a historic low. The baby boomers dismantling the post-WWII world order out of ignorance of the frailty of it.
I never said the other methods were flawless
but proportional is less polarising which is almost never a bad thing.Why am i not surprised
A Brit laughing at another country for having pompous titles is very ironic.Why am i not surprised
I don't know if Gove is much of a chameleon, Sults, he looks like a twat irrespective of the branch he's standing on!
The original Leave or Remain binary choice has always been the case, May underscored that when in her Lancaster House speech she said "No deal is better than a bad deal", because she knew a 'bad deal' is only what the EU would/could offer us and any agreement that did not include future trade i.e. was a withdrawal agreement only, was hence a 'bad deal'.
The rest as they say has just been 'grandstanding' from the PM and the MP's. Its still 'No deal or revoke A50'. A short extension now looks highly improbable and a longer extension just improbable, because of the terms the EU would demand for putting their Elections at risk i.e. returning Nigel and Co.
From the ERG's standpoint we would have been better using the two years to plan for any contingencies arising from the 'no deal'. From the PM (and Remain) standpoint, going down to the wire (as we now are) and causing even more delays and uncertainty for businesses, gives May the opportunity (if she will take it)to revoke A50 and then fall on her sword.
The rest as they say has just been 'grandstanding' from the PM and the MP's. Its still 'No deal or revoke A50'. A short extension now looks highly improbable and a longer extension just improbable, because of the terms the EU would demand for putting their Elections at risk i.e. returning Nigel and Co.
From the ERG's standpoint we would have been better using the two years to plan for any contingencies arising from the 'no deal'. From the PM (and Remain) standpoint, going down to the wire (as we now are) and causing even more delays and uncertainty for businesses, gives May the opportunity (if she will take it)to revoke A50 and then fall on her sword.
yep, like Oscar Wilde said. All countries people make fun of their neighbours and they are all right
Because she wanted to keep them at arms length to blame if it all went wrong.
If she'd had done indicative votes to start with she'd have known the various positions of the house and negotiated these with the EU to then put back to the house. However she's so bent to the will of the ERG i don't think they'd have allowed her to sway from this harder brexit.
Isn’t that risky. She’d need the votes to reform government and seeing as her Brexit would probably be in the Queen’s Speach it would either pass or they would not have a government.
It’d be a very risky move but would be saying my deal or a General Election.
A cross party collaboration would have ignored the hard Brexiters in the ERG, and could have torn the Tory party in half.
How many of these are temporary jobs to prepare for Brexit though I wonder.
Has to be the ultimate example of shooting yourself in the foot. The UK economy has been one of the world's best performing since the recession and now they're about to bollock it all up for themselves.
No doubt the brexiteer's will see articles like that and say "see, we'll be fine after we go".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47622059
Looking at this we should have another referendum with minimum age 30. I get youngsters have longer to live but I think something like Brexit should really be a decision for the grown-ups.
Looking at this we should have another referendum with minimum age 30. I get youngsters have longer to live but I think something like Brexit should really be a decision for the grown-ups.
It wasn't the young guns fecking things up 3 years ago.
That seems fair. As long as there's an upper age limit too due to senility/dementia etchttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47622059
Looking at this we should have another referendum with minimum age 30. I get youngsters have longer to live but I think something like Brexit should really be a decision for the grown-ups.
Say 65?
Maybe. But then again, an older and wiser person might consider the verdict of Zhou Enlai on the French Revolution, 'it's too early to say'.
I've got six months then!Minimum age of 40, maximum age of 45. There you go, whole country's policy decided by the unhappiest people in the country, looking after both old duffers and young idiots. Problem solved.
So what are the chances, percentagewise that the EU doesnt allow an extension?
They must be fed up to the back teeth with all of this from the UK and surely cant be far away from saying look just feck off.
They must be fed up to the back teeth with all of this from the UK and surely cant be far away from saying look just feck off.
When you see young people demonstrating over things like climate change & gun control, it's hard to imagine they'd do a worse job of leading let alone voting.
'Time is not a solution' - French Europe minister says article 50 extension without reason would be pointless
Nathalie Loiseau, the French Europe ministers, was also speaking to reporters ahead of the EU general affairs council this morning. She said the uncertainty around Brexit was “unacceptable”. She went on:
We need an initiative, we need something new because if it’s an extension to remain in the same deadlock [that would be unacceptable.] How do we get out of this deadlock? This is a question for the British authorities.
[The UK] have said ‘no’ to a no deal and they have said ‘no’ to a realistic deal. Now they have to change their mind on one or the other.
Loiseau also said, if the EU does grant an article 50 extension, it would have to be for a purpose.
Grant an extension - what for? Time is not a solution, it’s a method. If there is an objective and a strategy and it has to come from London.
Nathalie Loiseau, the French Europe ministers, was also speaking to reporters ahead of the EU general affairs council this morning. She said the uncertainty around Brexit was “unacceptable”. She went on:
We need an initiative, we need something new because if it’s an extension to remain in the same deadlock [that would be unacceptable.] How do we get out of this deadlock? This is a question for the British authorities.
[The UK] have said ‘no’ to a no deal and they have said ‘no’ to a realistic deal. Now they have to change their mind on one or the other.
Loiseau also said, if the EU does grant an article 50 extension, it would have to be for a purpose.
Grant an extension - what for? Time is not a solution, it’s a method. If there is an objective and a strategy and it has to come from London.
But I thought LEAVE meant LEAVE?
The chances of at least one veto are pretty strong, but I think the big powers in Europe want to give us as long an extension as possible as they believe, probably rightly, that the wind can turn in that time and we can stay in. So it will probably depend on all the back room conversations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47622059
Looking at this we should have another referendum with minimum age 30. I get youngsters have longer to live but I think something like Brexit should really be a decision for the grown-ups.
As long as i get back all the taxes i paid up until my 30's.
Did I say 65? That was a typo, I meant 64
Yeah I image its a lot, if not the majority of them.
The UK economy has been shite for actually workers for a long time now but if the only plan for a Remain is telling people leaving will turn the UK in 21 days later then its not going to have much of effect if the economy on paper anyway looks fine.
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Things such as producing to stockpile or meet spikes in demand for goods from EU could probably account for all of the 0.1% change from last month. All of that could be reversed immediately if an extension is agreed this week or when we pass 29th next week.
With the fishes...
That's mostly in the hands of the UK. The major players in the EU have all signaled that an extension is fully possible provided that the UK doesn't just intend to vote over the same deal for months to come.
There might be talks and threats of a veto from one of the smaller member states, but it likely won't amount to anything.
It most certainly is not, given that in needs to be unanimous!