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Love Bercow. Best job in parliament, essentially telling annoying politicians to sit down and shut up while throwing the odd spanner into their misguided works.
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From the Twitters
Love Bercow. Best job in parliament, essentially telling annoying politicians to sit down and shut up while throwing the odd spanner into their misguided works.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/18/theresa-may-third-vote-brexit-deal-success
Of course, she may not even be allowed to put it before the House again, based on what Bercow has said.
A lot of talk about prorogation of Parliament in order to start a new session wherein the vote can be repeated. I expect May to do this, knowing it leaves just days before the 29th. She can get MPs to blink and vote for her deal.
Notice how they note that the European elections would cost more than £100M.
Totally ignoring how must this shit show has cost the tax payer and how much more it would cost the tax payer between now and the European elections.
Just hope that cnut Farage doesn't get in again.
Totally ignoring how must this shit show has cost the tax payer and how much more it would cost the tax payer between now and the European elections.
Just hope that cnut Farage doesn't get in again.
We can only hope Italy, France or some other sensible country veto any extension.
Unless parliament already decided and votes something concrete.
Doesn't look like that will be the deal, but can't be sure of that whilst May is still PM...
Unless parliament already decided and votes something concrete.
Doesn't look like that will be the deal, but can't be sure of that whilst May is still PM...
The Queen would probably refuse, given the circumstances.
James Cleverly, a Conservative, says if Bercow had made this ruling earlier, MPs might have realised that last week was their last chance to vote for the Brexit deal. They might have voted differently, he says.
Here's a suggestion, what if all the parties in parliament would stop playing party politics and put their country first .
Here's a suggestion, what if all the parties in parliament would stop playing party politics and put their country first .
The bill can't be amended if it's not going to a vote. So it's hard for parliament to vote on anything besides nonbinding motions, the law as it stands means we leave without a deal next week unless the government abandons its red lines and comes back with something different.
The erg must have a hard on for bercow right now... Without the deal coming back there is no opportunity to ammend it and of course parliment failed to get control of the process last week.
Looks like an accidental no deal is a real possibility right now.
Especially if the EU refuse an extension...
Looks like an accidental no deal is a real possibility right now.
Especially if the EU refuse an extension...
May has brought this on herself, she said if Parliament refused the deal then she would go to EU and request a long extension. Well the deal is good as dead so let's see if she will make good on that threat. Better that it gets killed now and not in a week when there is even less time. She delayed the vote several times and it got her nowhere.
I thought i remembered May saying she'll come back with a statement next week and that'll be amendable, she was hoping it'll be the deal but doesn't have to be.
Benn took it as a victory at the time.
Well that and shouldn't MP's actually understand parliamentary procedure about revoting on the same thing?
£100m. That's like a piss drop in a cataclysm.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk
Possibly... Not sure what's happening now
Article 50 can still be revoked by Parliament. If the EU somehow don't give us an extension, it's either revoke or no-deal.
Exactly my point.
The European elections will cost the country £100M! Brexit has cost the country £40B so far.
MP's understanding of anything has been exposed. They all seem clueless.
No idea why the EU would grant an extension. Being clueless isn't sufficient reason.
MPs really shot themselves in the foot by rejecting Parliamentary control of proceedings, just what were they thinking?
EU27 will most likely agree to it. But what I don't understand is that why would they want to prolong the inevitable. From the mess in the past few months, its clear to everyone that neither a GE or second referendum would solve the problems in UK in knowing clearly what they want.
EU have reiterated multiple times that this is the best deal they can give, so atleast for me I don't see what's in it (extending A50) for them. Are they hoping for a change of heart and eventually revoke A50?
Well, they don't want a no deal so hopefully the later.
It's going to come down to that probably
Probably hoping we revisit our red lines and agree to single market membership... Which in fairness might well have a majority and ends the border issue
This is why an extension should be Vetoed.
This is like a game of poker and the EU need to shove, put it all in the middle, force Parliament to make a decision with it all on the line.
Don't forget the custom's union.
In other words Brexit has been a complete waste of time and money.
Brilliant move by Bercow. At the end all is about "parliament is sovereign". Either parliament overcomes short term party politics and takes control or they fail to do it and history will blame parliament and its leaders in whole.
Now we will see, if Britains politicians MPs rise to the occasion...
Now we will see, if Britains politicians MPs rise to the occasion...
So if it comes down to hard brexit or no brexit will they let the people vote on that? They should.
And that is the key problem.
Once they become an MP and work in the HoC they rapidly loose touch with reality. Yes of course they go back to their constituents to hold surgeries but that becomes just a cover exercise to go through the motions.
They become tribal and get progressively deeper party politics.
Their priorities become - self interest, career progression, party politics.
The national interest drops progressively the longer they are an MP.
Reminds me of Animal Farm.
Anyone got a solution to this whole situation yet
I found Teresa May!Anyone got a solution to this whole situation yet
Because each and every one of them, regardless of party is a self serving trough emptying agenda driven bastard who couldn't give a shit about the country as long as they are comfy. Life @Buster15 said, they are like snowball and napoleon from animal farm.
Just a plan?
If she sits down with Jeremy Corbyn and compromises enough to get Labour behind a plan, a realistic plan, that isn't going to take 2 years of back and forth to put together, then they'd delay imo. If its to have a referendum, they'd delay. An election, I wouldn't bet on but they might. If its 'just because' then probably not.
I'm kind of expecting just because to be the reason given.
Maybe she can tack Customs Union membership on to her current deal? It might tempt enough of the rest of parliament to get it past the ERG and DUP and it would have changed enough to put before parliament again. EU would probably be pretty happy about that too.
I don't think the country is ready in any way shape or form for a No Deal Brexit at the end of this month.
I predict Fyre Festival style chaos.
Edit: I'm travelling to Paris & Reykjavik with my EU passport in early April.
I predict Fyre Festival style chaos.
Edit: I'm travelling to Paris & Reykjavik with my EU passport in early April.
Fun fact: Teresa May is the name of the stripper who fecks the protagonist in the Prodigy video for Smack My Bitch Up
I agree. I also think it’s only the ERG who would inflict that on the country so I don’t think we will be leaving with no deal at the end of the month.
In addition to that, the EU aren’t going to agree to an extension without significant promises and I think the EU will demand a second referendum with clearly defined options - Deal/No Deal or No Brexit.
At least at that point, the will of the people will be truely decided and the outcome will be settled for whenever the new date is.
Neith side will be able to moan about it being undemocratic.
That's an image that I didn't need thank you very much.
I wonder if Cameron sleeps well these days? He really shouldn't.
I'd bet he sleeps like a fecking baby.
Definitely where the blame lies for this mess.
Thing is when you hear what people are saying it's astonishing how many believe another vote will be undemocratic. I don't think a second referendum would go down well at all, and I'm not even convinced it'd be conclusive.
Maybe a narrow victory either way?
Feels like the country has been permanently divided by Brexit.