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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I don't trust either side, centrism is fecking dead at a time when we need it the most.

We have a parliamentary Conservative party being held to ransom by the DUP and the ERG who won't listen to any kind of reason and will torpedo any deal proposal and cling on for no deal. If we stay in Europe, those right-wing nutjobs are just as much to blame as the left-wing asshat at the helm of the Labour party who purports to be vehemently against no deal, but for the sake of tribalism and political opportunism won't work with the only offer the EU is giving us, because he seems to think he can score a general election out of this clusterfeck.

Feck both sides.
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Poor Chuka, he puts his London 2012 Opening Ceremony tribute manifesto out there and centrism still dies.
 
The entire Leave campaign was built around securing a deal and no deal was dismissed by its leaders as scare tactics.

You'd have to be completely oblivious to think brexit meant no deal

Ding ding ding
 
An English woman I know is leaving tomorrow for the UK and due to fly back here to her home on 30th March. She's not confident she'll make it back on the 30th.
I’ve got my flight scheduled on 30th as well to London, gonna be fun that it seems.
 
Has to be for a real reason.

There is no way to tell since it's dependent on a vote at the EU council where unanimity is required.

Pretty sure they said they'd only extend for a valid reason.

Not agreeing on a deal they've put forward wouldn't be classed as a good reason i'd imagine.

I'm sure Juncker said no existing member would stand in way of extension if Britain wanted to delay brexit. It can possibly be extended if there is election allowing people to vote.

Doubt any 'special reason' is needed other than more time to negotiate a proper contract or new election/referendum.

Edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...k-brexit-extension-juncker-says-idUSKCN1Q82DE
 
I'm sure Juncker said no existing member would stand in way of extension if Britain wanted to delay brexit. It can possibly be extended if there is election allowing people to vote.

Doubt any 'special reason' is needed other than more time to negotiate a proper contract or new election/referendum.

Edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...k-brexit-extension-juncker-says-idUSKCN1Q82DE

An election or referendum sure. More time for May to keep asking the same question? Unlikely.
 
I'm sure Juncker said no existing member would stand in way of extension if Britain wanted to delay brexit. It can possibly be extended if there is election allowing people to vote.

Doubt any 'special reason' is needed other than more time to negotiate a proper contract or new election/referendum.

Edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...k-brexit-extension-juncker-says-idUSKCN1Q82DE
Mark Rutte says there needs to be a "credible and convincing justification" is needed for any extension to Article 50.

"A solution must come from London," said Mr Rutte.

"Should the UK hand in a reasoned request for an extension, I expect a credible and convincing justification.

"The EU27 will consider the request and decide by unanimity.

"The smooth functioning of the EU institutions needs to be ensured."
From Sky News...

Seems like if they're going to agree an extension, we have to agree on a reason why. Second Referendum or General Election. I personally think it'll be an election.
 
I think that a vote to take no deal off the table tomorrow will mean that the ERG will vote for May's deal when it is next tabled. Probably in the next couple of weeks.
 
So on March 30th we are going wake up still in the EU.

And March 31st.

And April 1st.

And April 2nd.

And April 3rd.

There will be some large protests come March 30th.

If we begin moving towards 2nd referendum territory, the worst thing that could happen, might be that remain wins.

It will split this country into two.

Someone needs to stand up with a solution
Its already split in half, I'd rather it be split in half but not completely crippled thanks.
 
From Sky News...

Seems like if they're going to agree an extension, we have to agree on a reason why. Second Referendum or General Election. I personally think it'll be an election.

An election or referendum sure. More time for May to keep asking the same question? Unlikely.

EU has this hope that in absence of a deal or alternate options, a new election/referendum would keep UK in EU. That would be their preferred solution.
So they will extend this time. Perhaps after new election/referendum, brexit still stands...then they won't extend anymore.
 
I'm sure Juncker said no existing member would stand in way of extension if Britain wanted to delay brexit. It can possibly be extended if there is election allowing people to vote.

Doubt any 'special reason' is needed other than more time to negotiate a proper contract or new election/referendum.

Edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...k-brexit-extension-juncker-says-idUSKCN1Q82DE

Again, we don't know and Juncker doesn't either it depends on the reason of the extension and whether EU members thinks that its a good reason.
 
EU has this hope that in absence of a deal or alternate options, a new election/referendum would keep UK in EU. That would be their preferred solution.
So they will extend this time. Perhaps after new election/referendum, brexit still stands...then they won't extend anymore.
I think if they had to have the choice, it would be an election over a referendum.
They'd likely be under the impression that a referendum could cause more trouble than it's worth, and even if leave won again, we'd be no further in, because there would still be squabbles over the deal.

Under an election, the Conservatives can put their deal out, and Labour can put their alternative out. Lib Dems can continue to be as irrelevant as ever. If Conservatives get elected again, then they do so with the mandate of the people like our deal, we must approve it. Same with Labour. If it's a hung parliament again, well, we may as well just shut up shop and go home.
 
I get that, I'm just saying the people I work with, family and friends I have who voted leave all just assumed it would be a clean break. Hence where a lot of the "get on with it!" talk came from, I guess.

That's nobodies fault but their own, given that they were told every single day by everyone who knew anything about this that it would be anything but a clean break.
 
Again, we don't know and Juncker doesn't either it depends on the reason of the extension and whether EU members thinks that its a good reason.

There is no guarantee...but the expectation is that an extension should sail smoothly with no issues.

I think if they had to have the choice, it would be an election over a referendum.
They'd likely be under the impression that a referendum could cause more trouble than it's worth, and even if leave won again, we'd be no further in, because there would still be squabbles over the deal.

Under an election, the Conservatives can put their deal out, and Labour can put their alternative out. Lib Dems can continue to be as irrelevant as ever. If Conservatives get elected again, then they do so with the mandate of the people like our deal, we must approve it. Same with Labour. If it's a hung parliament again, well, we may as well just shut up shop and go home.

Yes, the eternal hope is that people would ask again "why brexit?" as the old slogans have been proven to be lies. They should drag up the mop haired idiot in front of the big red bus with the lies and use that to oppose brexit.
 
That's nobodies fault but their own, given that they were told every single day by everyone who knew anything about this that it would be anything but a clean break.
Oh I agree. The whole thing was a massive clusterfeck, and should never have been put to a public vote to start with.
 
That would be the best thing that could happen. Especially if it achieves an actually significant majority showing that the leavers no longer want it.
Thankfully a precedent for ignoring the results of a referendum wouldn't have been set for Farage, the ERG and co to demand a third one and another 3 years of this.
 
Thankfully a precedent for ignoring the results of a referendum wouldn't have been set for Farage, the ERG and co to demand a third one and another 3 years of this.

Like when Farage and co said they were going to push for a second referendum if remain won the first time? When they win a 2nd referendum is off the table but if they lose, then they want one?
 
Thankfully a precedent for ignoring the results of a referendum wouldn't have been set for Farage, the ERG and co to demand a third one and another 3 years of this.

Would they really attract a majority for going through all this shit again?
 
To anybody in Britain: Hammer your leave friends with questions, ask your brexiteer family members what has come from 3 years of Brexit. Demand answers, be obnoxius, be intrusive, never mind manners.

The people responsible for this should at the very least feel the wrath of those fecked over by it. You won't change anything by being nice.
 
Would they really attract a majority for going through all this shit again?
Well I was making the assumption that Remain would win, which I certainly don't think is a done deal. If it did, I think it would depend on whether Farage decides leaving the EU or trying to get his party MPs in the Commons is the ultimate end goal.
 
To anybody in Britain: Hammer your leave friends with questions, ask your brexiteer family members what has come from 3 years of Brexit. Demand answers, be obnoxius, be intrusive, never mind manners.

The people responsible for this should at the very least feel the wrath of those fecked over by it. You won't change anything by being nice.

Had a colleague tell me today how he convinced his brother to be in favor of no deal on the basis that beer would be cheaper because of zero import tariffs :wenger:

He was chuffed with himself until I pointed out that we work in an industry that would probably be most adversely affected by tariff free imports.
 
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So I make it 81% we will still be in the EU March 30th