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How is this not parody?
How is this not parody?
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So Suarez moves back to Liverpool then?
Is a process of elimination
May's Deal is out of the table
Next they will vote "No Deal" out of the table
They will not be able to extend because the EU will not agree
The only possible outcome it will be revoke Article 50. They will do it with lies, excuses, saying that they will trigger it again, they will kick the can down the streeet, they will do a new GE and/or referendum, will go Remain and it will be just remembered as one of the most pathetic moments in european politics
May's Deal is out of the table
Next they will vote "No Deal" out of the table
They will not be able to extend because the EU will not agree
The only possible outcome it will be revoke Article 50. They will do it with lies, excuses, saying that they will trigger it again, they will kick the can down the streeet, they will do a new GE and/or referendum, will go Remain and it will be just remembered as one of the most pathetic moments in european politics
Crazy that this is the best case scenario.
Hopefully will happen.
Though if it happens, at the same time it seems like all the countries are trapped in the EU and is not something good to have that perception that the EU is One evil organization to bring all the countries and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Brussels where the Shadows lie
The four freedoms are part of the single market, the UK participation in the single market comes from it's membership of the EU.
The UK is not a member of the EEA. The referendum said nothing about joining it. The question wasn't hard, Leave or Remain in the European Union; leave won.
Is there a case for the UK joining the EEA, perhaps but you'd need to put it to the people and ask them after the UK leaves the EU
I don't live on Redcafe, excepting around a United match I don't look at this forum day to day
How you feeling about what happened today?
With Brexit? It's a shit deal, but I think when push came to shove I'd have voted for it today. It's the least worse option on the table right now.
Remain / Revoke for me have too much political downside for the country, the betrayal narrative and the rise of some post-ukip party wouldn't be pretty. There needs to be some kind of leave that can be seen to enact the mandate of the 17.4m voters. There's no way forward until this happens.
Parliament can vote to "take no deal off the table" tomorrow but it doesn't have the slightest bit of legal force. The withdrawal act is still on the books and 29th of March is Brexit day until this is changed. Until this is repealed or an extension agreed, the clock is still ticking.
I don't think we can take an extension for granted. What's the point of it if we still don't have an end state? The only end states are, Deal, No Deal or Revoke.
Extension for May to keep on shilling her deal is pointless.
But the referendum said nothing neither to abandon the FoM. That is just from May's red lines. Why do you think people will be outraged if UK would leave the EU but will preserve the 4 freedoms? after all it will be Brexit anyways and the will of the people would be respected
Not sure there's much point in this but it said, "leave the european union".
The four freedoms derive from membership of the EU. When people voted against membership of the EU, they voted against all the rights and obligations that accompany that membership.
There are countries that are outside the EU and the EEA and have the 4 freedoms. And there is a very big point. The GFA that needs the FoM to exist and was signed by the UK. And basically why a deal can't be delivered. So yes, there is much a point
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Talking about political downside...
Also, what’s gonna be the political downside of the UK having to go it alone negotiating new trade deals with literally everyone? You’re not that big of a market, and a good bit of it comes from your being in the EU.
The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world (After US / China / Japan / Germany) it's a big enough market. If South Korea (11th) and Canada (10th) can strike good deals, the UK will be fine.
No, the GFA agreement needs a suitable bi-lateral agreement between the UK and Ireland.
1) and the Good Friday Agreement political landmine?
2) The UK is 9th based on recent GDP PPP numbers. Also, South Korea is a techno giant and Canada has loads of oil and NAFTA.
3) You have 40 deals negotiated through the EU that are set to fall through. You’ve secured 6 of those at this point. Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Switzerland, Eastern and Southern Africa, and Chile.
Ireland can't have bilateral agreements on movement as member of the EU.
Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.
To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.
Logically yes...
Politically I wouldn't be surprised to see may roll the dice on a general election though if she is forced to ask for an extension anywsy
That said another ge could well end up with a hung parliament and the need to co-operate anyway?
Jaysus you haven’t a clue.
This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen outside of the daily mail website.
I was reading some comments from interviews with "man and woman on the street" yesterday. One older couple said "We can stand alone, there's rabbits in the fields, we can plant potatoes in the back gardens". Blitz spirit and all that.
Ironically, they were on their way to a holiday in Austria.
Ironically, they were on their way to a holiday in Austria.
Care to explain why you think the UK should be unable to set trade and immigration policies for fear of upsets terrorists ?
Because it would be in breach of a pre existing international treaty namely the good Friday agreement?
Unless they can find a solution that prevents a return to a hard boarder... Which currently nobody seems able to.
Blitz spirit.. AHH yes... From the same country who had to get the police on the national news to ask people to stop calling them because KFC had no chicken...
It really is something when Donald trump can be in power yet our own government manages to be more shambolic
Did the UK just announce that they won't reintroduce border checks in ni in the event of no deal
Might have heard it wrong on the radio... But erm isn't there WTO obligations etc that say we have to?
Edit... Yes they did... Calling it a temporary solution
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47551266
Might have heard it wrong on the radio... But erm isn't there WTO obligations etc that say we have to?
Edit... Yes they did... Calling it a temporary solution
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47551266
My god. Ignorance of the highest order.Yeh but teroristz!!! Brexit means brexit.
The UK set their own immigration policies. As for the trade part, the UK set trade deals alongside 27 other countries which forms a markets of 500m consumers and much stronger position against other big trading blocks. Now if the UK wants to leave and make trade deals by themselves there is no problem but there are practical consequences to that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0313/1036033-brexit/
So basically it's half way towards the Northern Irish backstop without the 'backstop' title then, at least on the UK's side? I assume the EU won't accept this though and will enforce their tariffs, under law, you know, that thing that's legally binding. It's also all well and good that goods can move freely, but it solves nothing with people.
So basically it's half way towards the Northern Irish backstop without the 'backstop' title then, at least on the UK's side? I assume the EU won't accept this though and will enforce their tariffs, under law, you know, that thing that's legally binding. It's also all well and good that goods can move freely, but it solves nothing with people.
Under wto terms the UK can either impose tariffs on everybody or to nobody.
We'd be breaking WTO rules and the EU won't do the same.
There are no words to explain what a clusterfeck this is.
There are no words to explain what a clusterfeck this is.
We can hope.
When you see how much blue was on one side of the deal vote and how much red was on the other side you realise how much it was all about career and party politics and how little they all care about getting the country out of this mess. The only thing they will ever agree to do is nothing, and roll back the whole thing.
If Brexit gets cancelled the Tories will forever be able to blame Labour for not voting the May's deal through.
No, post wasteland brexit, England will tighten its immigration further to a no foreigners rule. Those who don’t choose to leave will be put to work down recently reopened coal mines
That's why I am saying they will revoke article 50 because doing it, they will be able to go on and on and on with the brexit without something really happening
They will revoke it saying that they will need more time but FOR SURE they will have Brexit, don't fred, etc... and kicking the can over an over. Meanwhile, till they decide or not to invoke it again, it will be plenty of time to do GE and/or referendum of how you want your brexit, and more BS about it while they will perpetuate in their sits...but you still will be in the EU.
Of course is only my opinion and how I see it. Will know in less than 3 weeks
How lame is that answer?
First you said that it would need a bilateral agreement between UK and Ireland.
for BILATERAL agreement, both parties needs to agree, and Ireland can't agree, so no. Is not Ireland and EU problem, is UK problem as well, because remember is BILATERAL. So that will never happen
And the GFA is an international treaty that the UK, Ireland through the EU signed and is the unilateral decision of the UK that can break this deal as is the UK, not the EU that wants to eliminate the 4 freedoms.
The EU is more than happy to respect the GFA and give the 4 freedoms (freedom of movement included) to the UK, is the UK that doesn't want FoM (and the other 3 that goes with the pack) and that alone means violating the GFA.
So no, is not the EU and Ireland to figure it out as is the UK that is breaking the GFA
Of course, you don't give a feck, but YOU not giving a feck, doesn't mean that others from the same country as you can give a feck, the same country that is betraying them and breaking such a deal
And without the menace of terrorism, still breaking a deal that most of the NI population that hey! news to you! they are not terrorist, they don't want to happen
To not speak that ending unilaterally a international treaty would make to the UK international prestige and their future treaties and FTA that you pretend to strike alone