Yes but who's going to actually do that. Don't think anyone in parliament has got the guts to go against the "will of the people"
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Yes but who's going to actually do that. Don't think anyone in parliament has got the guts to go against the "will of the people"
The compromise would be a CU and freedom of movement etc. Very close partnership, though we would of course have to abide by any changes the EU makes(the labour model, basically).
Of course, it's a bad idea when compared to the deal we have. But it would mean we have left, and the parties could choose to run on their vision of the future relationship at general elections.
This is basically it even if the EU grants the extension. At the end of the extension period we'd end up right back here.
The reaction out of Brussels tonight has been cold too. The continental politicians are not happy. Can't see them being willing to keep going around the houses.
But we'll have:-
Right wing riots (bad)
Tory party split (good)
A new ultra-right populist party (bad)
Calls for a third referendum (bad)
That's not going to go through. They are not going to vote against the will of the people.
My point is i don't understand why the poster thinks Labour have ruled one out. They've done no such thing and i expect them to do so this week again in the same fashion of Labour Brexit and if that fails 2nd ref.
To me it's comes across that they're admitting they've hit a brick wall and this is an opportunity for the public to have the final say.
Just to be clear. The WA has been rejected.
The current legal position is that a law has previously been passed that the UK will leave the EU on 29th.
Even if they reject a no deal exit tomorrow that vote does not override the current law.
To stop that the law will have to be changed. The vote cannot override the law unless that law is changed.
Exactly. Preech man.
Of course I'm not happy with it. Neither are you.
But I could learn to live with it. And so could most people
Brexit is basically the same as it was on the 24th June 2016 - the lunatics leading the blind by using the idiots' votes.
The few l know who voted leave had no clue what they voted for. Some admit this and some now pretend they did. Let's face it even the staunchest remain voter didn't know the sheer depth and breadth of the consequences at the time of the vote.
I reckon for 2nd referendum to happen UK will have to experience no deal consequences for a few weeks and when economy will start tanking with all the chaos in the background in the short space of time it will be a good time to call it a day.
Only if there is a 2nd referendum that votes to remain.
By your own expectations up there, they should be on the "all out for second ref" stage by now, not still the "yes it's still on the table but really let's have an election so we can do a Labour brexit" one that's been tried for about six months, with less than three weeks to go.
Probably the logical way to a 2nd ref but not if you have to experience it...
I doubt the riots, we might have some disturbances but not much.
I'm not sure what the call for a third referendum will be considering we now know what's available and it'll only be required if the public reject Mays deal. To go back and negotiate a soft brexit? Sounds reasonable i suppose at least it would be an easier negotiation
All true.
I'm just talking about where the current political train is heading .
I really didn't think an extension was going to happen before tonight.
Of course it's possible that 400 MPs will vote for a no deal Brexit and ... Well... That would solve something at least!
Here are the figures for how MPs voted for the deal by party.
For
Conservatives: 235
Labour: 3
Independents: 4
Against
Labour: 238
Conservatives: 75
SNP: 35
Independents: 17
Lib Dems: 11
DUP: 10
Plaid Cymru: 4
Green: 1
If the Uk crash out, I wonder who will take the blame.
For
Conservatives: 235
Labour: 3
Independents: 4
Against
Labour: 238
Conservatives: 75
SNP: 35
Independents: 17
Lib Dems: 11
DUP: 10
Plaid Cymru: 4
Green: 1
If the Uk crash out, I wonder who will take the blame.
We are obviously going to vote for an extension
The EU should simply tell the UK on the 29th of March "Good bye and good riddance"
Easy. Those politicians who blatantly lied to the British people.
If no deal is ruled out tomorrow (which it will be), and the EU then reject an extension because the UK has nothing new to bring to the table (which they haven't) then the only way to honour "no leaving with no deal" is to stop the clock by revocation.
Any extension proposal has to be unanimously agreed by EU member states, and we all know that there are going to be trumps played by some other countries (like Spain with the Gibralter issue).
Corbyn. Duh.
Very true but i really didn't expect this 2 month freeze where nothings actually happened. May pressed the snooze button and prevented much progress, hard to table amendments or call for anything when Mays "negotiating" again.
Isn't the current status in parliament a democratic reflection of the referendum?
Majority voting against something without a fecking clue what they want.
Majority voting against something without a fecking clue what they want.
Cameron. The spud faced chancer.
And not a single one of them can explain the virtues of it yet.
Ok, using actual sentences that make sense, what's he done wrong? Or are you waiting for tomorrow's Sun to elaborate?
I was just wondering what the UK public may think after and if they did.
The year is 2055
Britain is a wasteland, it’s biggest business is the import of other countries waste. Cars are a luxury. Horses are ridden til they collapse and then eaten. There are no pet dogs and cats anymore, they’ve become a luxury food. Peasants grow their own potatoes. The royal homes were sacked 20 years ago during the great revolution. The country is now run by the pickled head of Jacob Raes-Mogg from its glass jar high up in his giant house made of gold
Britain is a wasteland, it’s biggest business is the import of other countries waste. Cars are a luxury. Horses are ridden til they collapse and then eaten. There are no pet dogs and cats anymore, they’ve become a luxury food. Peasants grow their own potatoes. The royal homes were sacked 20 years ago during the great revolution. The country is now run by the pickled head of Jacob Raes-Mogg from its glass jar high up in his giant house made of gold
His plan, which has already been ruled out twice in parliament and is not actually possible is what I mean but he's still trying to put forward. May Mark II.
I get that, I'm just saying the people I work with, family and friends I have who voted leave all just assumed it would be a clean break. Hence where a lot of the "get on with it!" talk came from, I guess.
Agreed
...and Liverpool still haven't won the league.
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Hasn't EU said they'd support an extension?
I don't trust either side, centrism is fecking dead at a time when we need it the most.
We have a parliamentary Conservative party being held to ransom by the DUP and the ERG who won't listen to any kind of reason and will torpedo any deal proposal and cling on for no deal. If we stay in Europe, those right-wing nutjobs are just as much to blame as the left-wing asshat at the helm of the Labour party who purports to be vehemently against no deal, but for the sake of tribalism and political opportunism won't work with the only offer the EU is giving us, because he seems to think he can score a general election out of this clusterfeck.
Feck both sides.
We have a parliamentary Conservative party being held to ransom by the DUP and the ERG who won't listen to any kind of reason and will torpedo any deal proposal and cling on for no deal. If we stay in Europe, those right-wing nutjobs are just as much to blame as the left-wing asshat at the helm of the Labour party who purports to be vehemently against no deal, but for the sake of tribalism and political opportunism won't work with the only offer the EU is giving us, because he seems to think he can score a general election out of this clusterfeck.
Feck both sides.
From STV's Political Correspondent