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[Berbaclass]

The whole thing has been so fatiguing. It all takes far too long to sort out.

Just lock the bastards in a room somewhere and tell them they won’t be released until everything has been decided.

Absolute farce.

 

[Smores]

This is what leavers thought they were voting for anyway. All this talk of a deal was an afterthought, once the votes had been counted.

Absolute horseshit

 

[Rajma]

99.9999% no deal

I still think UK gonna get a last minute extension (long one) from the EU subject to meaningful conditions (i.e. 2nd ref or no ability to participate in upcoming elections) as everyone in the government knows how catastrophic no deal is going to be given that UK made sod all preparations, the desperation will kick-in nearer the 29th of March.

 

[Kentonio]

They just think he can solve something in an opposition response. Don't think they understand how parliamentary business works

He’s offering nothing in terms of opposition. Bleating on about a general election when he knows damn well the Tory’s won’t hand him one is just idiotic. His membership made absolutely clear they want another referendum and he’s doing everything he can to avoid it.

 

[tomaldinho1]

So...no deal Brexit? or just another delay?

 

[Sassy Colin]

Bercow is saying there would be the opportunity to table an amendment to revoke Article 50, as part of Thursday's business.

(edit - of course, tabling doesn't mean it'll be selected for vote).

Dare to dream

 

[shamans]

Whats even happening.

 

[Stanley Road]

"Such a big decision should never be left to the people, we put our trust in the govt to make big decisions for us".

Quote, most in here

 

[Pexbo]

If a second referendum is going to happen, the only way it’s going to gain any traction is if Brexit going ahead becomes and improbability and the Brexiteers get behind it as their best chance of pushing it through.

There isn’t a snowflake in hells chance in Remainers pushing one through.

 

[Brownie85]

The country is already split in two. Why not be split in two but economically stable?

But wouldn't a second referendum destroy the trust in UK politics?
It's essentially says to the public - you got it wrong the first time, now do it correctly now. 17 million people will feel betrayed, and to some it'll feel like their votes mean nothing.

 

[PlayerOne]

Utter shambles really, it's beyond a joke now. Weeks to go and we have no clue on the outcome. The Tories stand there and paint themselves as the sensible party that's good for business, while Corbyn looks like a clueless mug.

 

[madzo2007]

Rees Mog just keeps repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

A face I don't think anyone would get tired of punching.

 

[The Cat]

The most astounding thing is that any of this should have been dealt with at least a year ago.

 

[Berbaclass]

But wouldn't a second referendum destroy the trust in UK politics?
It's essentially says to the public - you got it wrong the first time, now do it correctly now. 17 million people will feel betrayed, and to some it'll feel like their votes mean nothing.

I don’t think it necessarily says that. I think it’s easier to think of it as “there is still big question marks over the whole thing and we should clarify “

 

[Buster15]

So on March 30th we are going wake up still in the EU.

And March 31st.

And April 1st.

And April 2nd.

And April 3rd.

There will be some large protests come March 30th.

If we begin moving towards 2nd referendum territory, the worst thing that could happen, might be that remain wins.

It will split this country into two.

Someone needs to stand up with a solution

Based on the latest position the UK will wake up on March 30 OUT of the EU with no deal.

 

[Kentonio]

But wouldn't a second referendum destroy the trust in UK politics?
It's essentially says to the public - you got it wrong the first time, now do it correctly now. 17 million people will feel betrayed, and to some it'll feel like their votes mean nothing.

What trust? Do you have any trust in today’s politics? I sure as hell don’t.

 

[Smores]

He’s offering nothing in terms of opposition. Bleating on about a general election when he knows damn well the Tory’s won’t hand him one is just idiotic. His membership made absolutely clear they want another referendum and he’s doing everything he can to avoid it.

Have Labour ruled out tabling such an amendment? I must have missed that news

 

[AndyJ1985]

But wouldn't a second referendum destroy the trust in UK politics?
It's essentially says to the public - you got it wrong the first time, now do it correctly now. 17 million people will feel betrayed, and to some it'll feel like their votes mean nothing.

Most of those 17 million are morons who didn't know what they were voting for, so feck 'em.

 

[Brownie85]

What trust? Do you have any trust in today’s politics? I sure as hell don’t.

Not at all - MP's will lie through their teeth to get your vote, then when they do, they'll do whatever is in their best interests and not their constituents.

 

[rcoobc]

The country is already split in two. Why not be split in two but economically stable?

Because it won't be economically stable.

If Remain wins 51 vs 49, nothing will be settled.

This will go on forever.

The remainers need to learn to compromise. The leavers need to learn to compromise.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Rees Mog just keeps repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

A face I don't think anyone would get tired of punching.

I could punch him until his face became a liquid

 

[Silva]

Have Labour ruled out tabling such an amendment? I must have missed that news

literally tabled it in January

 

[Berbaclass]

He’s offering nothing in terms of opposition. Bleating on about a general election when he knows damn well the Tory’s won’t hand him one is just idiotic. His membership made absolutely clear they want another referendum and he’s doing everything he can to avoid it.

We need to get rid of the chit. Just float him on a raft into the Pacific or something.

 

[rcoobc]

Based on the latest position the UK will wake up on March 30 OUT of the EU with no deal.

Latest position?

Of what the population? There won't be a referendum before March 29

 

[Buster15]

So...no deal Brexit? or just another delay?

At the moment no deal Brexit.

 

[bleedred]

So on March 30th we are going wake up still in the EU.

And March 31st.

And April 1st.

And April 2nd.

And April 3rd.

There will be some large protests come March 30th.

If we begin moving towards 2nd referendum territory, the worst thing that could happen, might be that remain wins.

It will split this country into two.

Someone needs to stand up with a solution

No deal. Shit will hit the fan, of course. People will realise its not worth it and call a referendum in another 2-3 years.

The businesses which have decided to move because of the uncertainty are not going to change their decision even if there is going to be an extension, in fact, it would create more chaos. Whats done is done.

 

[Snowjoe]

I’m not her biggest fan but I don’t think there’s one person on this planet who could have negotiated a deal to please enough people. Having such a clean cut choice on the original referendum was always going to lead to this shit show.

 

[Rajma]

UK is currently finding out the harsh reality of being on its own, nobody gives a feck about your worries now.

 

[madzo2007]

They mentioned on BBC there that the EU would want more than a 3 month delay because of the elections and new commissioners etc, the EU wouldn't even be in position to negotiate (again) with the UK until the autumn of this year.

 

[Smores]

Because it won't be economically stable.

If Remain wins 51 vs 49, nothing will be settled.

This will go on forever.

The remainers need to learn to compromise. The leavers need to learn to compromise.

Actually it'll solve a lot. We'll know when informed of what brexit would actually look like whether the public want it or not

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Seems like it I regret to say.
Even if the HoC votes tomorrow against a no deal exit, as you have said, it means nothing because the default position which is now law of course is to leave on the 29th.

As the WA has been rejected the result is no deal.

I don't see how it can be avoided.

I still think UK gonna get a last minute extension (long one) from the EU subject to meaningful conditions (i.e. 2nd ref or no ability to participate in upcoming elections) as everyone in the government knows how catastrophic no deal is going to be given that UK made sod all preparations, the desperation will kick-in nearer the 29th of March.

If parliament had a definite goal - but there is no definite goal - Labour want unicorns, SNP know they want unicorns, ERG wants no deal and most of the remaining Tories wanted the deal or to remain. How are they ever going to agree an actual majority position.

 

[Penna]

This is what leavers thought they were voting for anyway. All this talk of a deal was an afterthought, once the votes had been counted.

You can't suddenly not be in the EU after decades of being in it. A mechanism has to be worked out to allow the UK to stand alone, or the country would crash and burn virtually overnight. That's what they've been attempting to do and it was quite right and proper that the mechanism for leaving was put to the House.

 

[Brownie85]

Heres the thing though...

Say MP's vote against no deal tomorrow, then vote for an extension on thursday. May goes to the EU and says we want an extension, and they ask why. She says no idea, we just do so we can figure something out, they'll most likely turn around and say no chance. Once the EU rules out an extension, and a second referendum has no majority, it'll either go to a general election, or May will slam her deal back on the table and say it's either this or the legal default of no deal.

Just going round in circles.

 

[Silva]

I’m not her biggest fan but I don’t think there’s one person on this planet who could have negotiated a deal to please enough people. Having such a clean cut choice on the original referendum was always going to lead to this shit show.

She should've given negotiating powers to parliament when the government lost in court. It's way easier to vote against a government deal than a parliament deal. Bit late now though.

 

[Hound Dog]

Could someone please explain what this means?

Any chance of Brexit being canceled?

 

[Ubik]

Have Labour ruled out tabling such an amendment? I must have missed that news

Come on, you posted this over two months ago now regarding Labour's next moves

I said earlier that my thinking is not just yet but that's going to depend on what happens in the next couple of days.
It has to be dropped soon, in line with conference but i wouldn't want them to empower May before her next vote. The threat of a referendum going into the next vote may be the thing that gets Mays deal through then we'll be cursing.

Let Mays deal fail, put down another VONC and then go all out referendum, which i still don't think will pass the house unfortunately

Meanwhile I'm listening to Richard Burgon saying "we want a common sense Brexit" right now. "A public vote may become necessary but our priority is a Labour brexit".

 

[Penna]

@Paul the Wolf, the only answer is to revoke Article 50. I think that's why MPs are pressing so hard right now to get clarity on the Article 50 extension debate and potential amendments to it.

 

[rcoobc]

I’m not her biggest fan but I don’t think there’s one person on this planet who could have negotiated a deal to please enough people. Having such a clean cut choice on the original referendum was always going to lead to this shit show.

I don't agree at all.

She's tried to please everyone and failed.

If she'd asked for a cross-party Brexit, we'd be leaving

 

[sullydnl]

Could someone please explain what this means?

Any chance of Brexit being canceled?

Almost none. There is a great chance of the worst possible Brexit though.

 

[Sassy Colin]

But wouldn't a second referendum destroy the trust in UK politics?
It's essentially says to the public - you got it wrong the first time, now do it correctly now. 17 million people will feel betrayed, and to some it'll feel like their votes mean nothing.

Yes because we have so much trust in UK politics now

Who gives a feck, let's just stop this madness!