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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Buster15 said:
Don't agree. Preventing a no deal exit from the EU has nothing to do with guts, or the lack of it.
It has everything to do with logic and from what I see and read, there are very few MP'S advocating this option.

I may well be wrong (not for the first time) but that is my view, especially now Mrs May has opened the option of a vote to extend the leaving date.
I am not sure that the EU are that enamoured with a no deal either so I am hopeful that common sense will prevail.
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When I say not having the guts, I mean to go against the referendum result.

But what does preventing no deal mean, it means either agreeing to the withdrawal agreement or cancelling Brexit or May changing her stance completely and staying in the CU/SM. None of which are foreseeable.
And the EU are not going to change the backstop, this has been perfectly clear but the Uk aren't listening.

If May decides to ask for a three month extension, even if the EU accept, it only puts off the inevitable.

Also even if there is a no deal the UK still have to solve the border issue to stop breaking the GFA.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
When I say not having the guts, I mean to go against the referendum result.

But what does preventing no deal mean, it means either agreeing to the withdrawal agreement or cancelling Brexit or May changing her stance completely and staying in the CU/SM. None of which are foreseeable.
And the EU are not going to change the backstop, this has been perfectly clear but the Uk aren't listening.

If May decides to ask for a three month extension, even if the EU accept, it only puts off the inevitable.

Also even if there is a no deal the UK still have to solve the border issue to stop breaking the GFA.
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Exactly. I sense a softening on the WA although probably not sufficient yet to win the vote.

I see no merit in delaying the leaving date but on the basis that she is playing the long game, another few months might well tip the balance.
 
dogrob said:
Things like this constant mothering where things have to be a certain size, done a certain way etc. they feel that the EU is trying to take to much control from the countries.
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Sounds familiar...
That is not a million miles away from one of the reasons why the UK voted to leave.
The EU is trying to take too much control from the countries is almost identical to - taking back control.

You better tell you friends to be careful what they wish for.
 
dogrob said:
Things like this constant mothering where things have to be a certain size, done a certain way etc. they feel that the EU is trying to take to much control from the countries.
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At the risk of offending people, that's just dumb. The sizes standardization are meant to allow consumers to not be fooled with products having the same designation but not being the same, whether we are talking about food or even pallets who are meant to be used in different countries.
 
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Buster15 said:
Sounds familiar...
That is not a million miles away from one of the reasons why the UK voted to leave.
The EU is trying to take too much control from the countries is almost identical to - taking back control.

You better tell you friends to be careful what they wish for.
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Imagine telling the Brexiters to be careful what they wished for. Trump says hello.
 
Buster15 said:
Exactly. I sense a softening on the WA although probably not sufficient yet to win the vote.

I see no merit in delaying the leaving date but on the basis that she is playing the long game, another few months might well tip the balance.
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So how do they stop no deal? The DUP, ERG and pro Brexit Tories plus the pro-Brexit Labour are not going to vote for the WA and neither are many remainers
 
Reading the 'No Deal' impact makes very interesting reading i.e. disastrous. It even mentions that Article 24 won't happen.

This bit was interesting...

The Government has already published long term analysis of the impact of a no deal scenario that implicitly assumes a smooth, orderly transition to WTO rules. This estimates that the UK economy would be 6.3-9% smaller in the long term in a no deal scenario (after around 15 years) than it otherwise would have been when compared with today’s arrangements, assuming no action is taken. There would also be significant variation across the UK (Wales -8.1%, Scotland -8.0%, Northern Ireland -9.1% and the North East of England -10.5%). This analysis does not account for any short term disruptions, which would be likely to have additional short and long run economic impacts in an immediate no deal scenario
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Theres a lovely section on the effects on N.Ireland as well, if anyone from here reads that still stays 'just leave now' or 'WTO terms' just needs a good dig to the head :)
 
Dont want this, dont want that, 2nd ref would cause chaos, stopping art 50 would cause chaos, cancelling brexit would cause chaos.

Wtf is it remainers would like to see that wont cause chaos?
 
Stanley Road said:
Dont want this, dont want that, 2nd ref would cause chaos, stopping art 50 would cause chaos, cancelling brexit would cause chaos.

Wtf is it remainers would like to see that wont cause chaos?
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I would have thought they would want to cancel Brexit.
They'll be much more chaos if it isn't cancelled.
 
JPRouve said:
At the risk of offending people, that's just dumb. The sizes standardization are meant to allow consumers to not be fouled with products having the same designation but not being the same, whether we are talking about food or even pallets who are meant to be used in different countries.
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This drives me insane.

Imagine - if a country was exporting to the EU - they did have 28 countries (soon to be 27) where all the standards were the same it would make life so much easier.

I'm sure Brexiters don't realise that when the UK exports to all these countries they want to do trade deals with, the goods have to comply with the regulations of the countries they are exporting to, not UK standards.
US regulations are tough, Trump will have a field day dumping stuff on the UK.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
This drives me insane.

Imagine - if a country was exporting to the EU - they did have 28 countries (soon to be 27) where all the standards were the same it would make life so much easier.

I'm sure Brexiters don't realise that when the UK exports to all these countries they want to do trade deals with, the goods have to comply with the regulations of the countries they are exporting to, not UK standards.
US regulations are tough, Trump will have a field day dumping stuff on the UK.
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It is the main point made by eurosceptics and it obviously makes no sense since it's one of the main points and perks of the EU. The worse part is that in some cases they use products that have an AOC or its spanish equivalents which both predates the EU which makes the point even more ridiculous.
 
Buster15 said:
Don't agree. Preventing a no deal exit from the EU has nothing to do with guts, or the lack of it.
It has everything to do with logic and from what I see and read, there are very few MP'S advocating this option.

I may well be wrong (not for the first time) but that is my view, especially now Mrs May has opened the option of a vote to extend the leaving date.
I am not sure that the EU are that enamoured with a no deal either so I am hopeful that common sense will prevail.
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Very few British politicians have employed much common sense during this whole farce over the last 3 years. I don't see that changing at this stage to be honest.
 
Buster15 said:
Sounds familiar...
That is not a million miles away from one of the reasons why the UK voted to leave.
The EU is trying to take too much control from the countries is almost identical to - taking back control.

You better tell you friends to be careful what they wish for.
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Pretty sure the Germans wont decide the only solution is to crash out on WTO rules.
 
nah there definitely would be major protests that turn violent but it would also be really good to see a tommy and crew go London, lose their cool in about 2 minutes flat and start screaming about killing brown people before they get the everliving shit kicked out them by locals
 
I've been half jokingly saying no deal was the plan all along, but starting to think it might actually be true...
 
Stanley Road said:
Dont want this, dont want that, 2nd ref would cause chaos, stopping art 50 would cause chaos, cancelling brexit would cause chaos.

Wtf is it remainers would like to see that wont cause chaos?
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There won't be chaos and even if there were riots in the streets it would be worth it if that was the price of avoiding leaving the EU.
 
Silva said:
nah there definitely would be major protests that turn violent but it would also be really good to see a tommy and crew go London, lose their cool in about 2 minutes flat and start screaming about killing brown people before they get the everliving shit kicked out them by locals
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This, the types who would riot deserve everything that would come their way if they do and as you say the real reasons will come out. I don't see action though as it'll be too late.
Hopefully it causes the leavers to switch off from politics and cease to vote ever again, what a result that would be.
 
Buster15 said:
Exactly. I sense a softening on the WA although probably not sufficient yet to win the vote.

I see no merit in delaying the leaving date but on the basis that she is playing the long game, another few months might well tip the balance.
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No merit? Even if your goal is brexit i don't see how anyone can fail to see merit in a delay, businesses and the goverment are not prepared and will not be by March end. We need more time to get legislation through and secure the temporary trading relationships.
 
Smores said:
No merit? Even if your goal is brexit i don't see how anyone can fail to see merit in a delay, businesses and the goverment are not prepared and will not be by March end. We need more time to get legislation through and secure the temporary trading relationships.
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Fine as long as it is not more time to just go round in circles.
 
So more studies suggesting that a lot of NI companies will move South after Brexit. I guess being in the mighty UK trade union isn't as attractive a proposition as the single market, then. Who'd a thunk it?
 
Massive Spanner said:
So more studies suggesting that a lot of NI companies will move South after Brexit. I guess being in the mighty UK trade union isn't as attractive a proposition as the single market, then. Who'd a thunk it?
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To be fair, NI voted against brexit.
 
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