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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Ah yes, the pallets.:lol:

Packing materials are extremely important.

It was amusing when our rivals shipped containers of material to the West Coast USA and were inspected by US Customs only to have them shipped back to where they came from at enormous costs because they didn't use the correct packing.

If I'm not mistaken it's a bad mistake to make because customs will put you in a list of importers to check closely.
 
Do you think that saying you would support an amendment for a 2nd ref is accepting the referendum result?

The position was and still is to try and get a labour brexit deal agreed first and then only if that couldn't be achieved to put it back to the people. That hasn't changed, there's no u-turn.

Labour have never taken a position that no-deal is respecting the result.

Oh dear, we really don't know what we are doing do we?

Useful, I'll assume you are unable to answer the simple question.
 
If I'm not mistaken it's a bad mistake to make because customs will put you in a list of importers to check closely.

Yes they will check every container for a while and charge for the inspection. If a shipper or importer gets on that list it will cost them a fortune. Continual infringements would lead to a ban.
 
The position was and still is to try and get a labour brexit deal agreed first and then only if that couldn't be achieved to put it back to the people. That hasn't changed, there's no u-turn.

Labour have never taken a position that no-deal is respecting the result.

But would you not say that a 2nd ref with remain as an option is disrespecting it?

That's how it will play in the marginals.

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/negotiating-brexit/

Nothing here about a 2nd referendum with remain on the paper.
 
Farage suggests leavers should boycott any referendum offering choice between May's deal and remain

On Sky’s All Out Politics Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, said that the government did ever end up offering a referendum with a choice between remain and Theresa May’s deal (as Labour is proposing – see 9.35am), he would abstain. He said:

I tell you what I do resist - the very idea, that it appears Emily Thornberry [the shadow foreign secretary] is putting forward, that the referendum would be between remain and Mrs May’s deal, which is Brexit in name only. I have to tell you, in those circumstances, I would not campaign and I would not vote. Because it would not offer me Brexit.

When it would put to him that this would suit his opponents, Farage went on to suggest that leavers should organise a mass abstention, in the hope of delegitimising the result. “You have to have a certain level of turnout for any referendum to be valid,” he said.

Actually, that is not true. In most referendums in the UK there has been no turnout threshold, although, as Farage pointed out, in the 1979 referendum on Scottish devolution, there was a turnout threshold saying that the vote would only be valid if 40% of all registered voters, as well as a majority, voted yes. This was widely seen as a wrecking amendment and, although there was a narrow majority for devolution, the result was invalid because the turnout was not high enough.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b00307e95aa9d5#block-5c750c0ae4b00307e95aa9d5
 

Agree with this or not?


I reckon she loses and extends the process. She just won't admit to taking no deal off the table publically because it takes away whatever little leverage she has in negotiations right now.
 
I reckon she loses and extends the process. She just won't admit to taking no deal off the table publically because it takes away whatever little leverage she has in negotiations right now.

Call me cynical but I don’t think no deal is leverage any more at this point.
 
The pound is currently the strongest it's been in ages, 1.16 to the Euro.

Surely even leavers would prefer we remain as we were than take May's deal?
 
So a significant faction of the Tories believe that Hard Brexit would destroy their party, which poses the question: would anyone accept a Hard Brexit on the proviso that it destroyed the Tory party?
 
So a significant faction of the Tories believe that Hard Brexit would destroy their party, which poses the question: would anyone accept a Hard Brexit on the proviso that it destroyed the Tory party?
I think this has always been the case. There are less than 20 Tories that seriously think that dropping out on WTO is a good idea. At the other end of the scale you have a similar number of MP's that outright refuse to accept the result.
Most of the Party would prefer a deal and a closer relationship. IMO May's deal although flawed is the best compromise. Whatever she can get in the next two weeks by way of assurances on the backstop could help. Her statement today will rattle the ERG because if they vote against her then a vote on 'no-deal Brexit' will be put to Parliament. And it would probably take it off the table. The natural consequence of this would be an extension of A50 either to keep banging away at May's deal or to find an alternative WA. The longer it goes on unresolved the closer a 2nd referendum becomes. So the ERG plus any MP's that are minded to respect the result would be sensible to vote for May's deal.

'Get us out with a deal then sort matters afterward'. I think even Ken Clarke is coming round to that view.
 
So a significant faction of the Tories believe that Hard Brexit would destroy their party, which poses the question: would anyone accept a Hard Brexit on the proviso that it destroyed the Tory party?
That assumes Labour will escape the consequences. Majority of the Tory membership are fine with no deal.
 
So with this extension, it will still be May trying to renegotiate the same deal she agreed with the EU in December?

Really is just her trying to force her deal down MPs throats whether they like it or not and hope they will oblige eventually.
 
The EU should simply tell the UK that there will be no extension after the 29th of March and that they either accept the deal on the table or go out with no deal and all that, that entails.
What I'd be doing if I were the EU as well. We are a fecking mess.
 
Labour should use any possible extension to fight/argue like hell for a SM/CU solution.
This is the only thing that makes sense and we all know it .
 
I cant believe she is being allowed to get away with this.
"I'll get you, Theresa"

"No you won't"

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The EU should simply tell the UK that there will be no extension after the 29th of March and that they either accept the deal on the table or go out with no deal and all that, that entails.

I’m sure the EU are hoping someone sees sense and calls the whole thing off. They’ve made it clear they’re open to that option from day one.
 
I’m sure the EU are hoping someone sees sense and calls the whole thing off. They’ve made it clear they’re open to that option from day one.
I agree - anything that delays Brexit (or increases the chance of it not happening) is probably very acceptable to the EU. Of course, it's been an expensive exercise so far for the other European countries, which must be irritating, to say the least.
 
I agree - anything that delays Brexit (or increases the chance of it not happening) is probably very acceptable to the EU. Of course, it's been an expensive exercise so far for the other European countries, which must be irritating, to say the least.
Yes, but it'll be a hell of a lot more expensive to them if the EU's second biggest economy drops out with no deal. I believe the EU will happily accept an extension (within reason), they'll just publicly make it look like they're doing it very begrudgingly.
 
I reckon she loses and extends the process. She just won't admit to taking no deal off the table publically because it takes away whatever little leverage she has in negotiations right now.

Personally never really understood how the threat of the UK leaving with no deal was any sort of leverage against the EU. No deal is way more damaging to the UK than vice versa.
 
The pound is currently the strongest it's been in ages, 1.16 to the Euro.

Surely even leavers would prefer we remain as we were than take May's deal?

The Brexit line is always that Sterling is overvalued - if the exrate was £10 to €1 they'd still say it was overvalued.

If Brexit was cancelled the pound would probably go to €1.30+