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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Cheesy said:
Considering you've largely been supportive of Corbyn's strategy not to have one until now, does this worry/concern you at all?
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Knowing that any whichever option is closest to remain in this second referendum will be lead by said 'Not everything needs another vote' morons? Oh good lord, yeah. Any second referendum would have been bad but, given the last week or so, this going to be an absolute car crash.

That said, using Chuka and co's 'We're not a party' excuse for why they have no policies, to beat them to calling for a second vote is pretty funny. At least I have something to laugh at before someone starts the fans and begins rolling shit into balls.
 
I'm no political guru but I can't see the point. What happens when the amendment is defeated? It will be defeated.
I've long stopped bashing Corbyn, he's a passenger at the moment, there's nothing he can do. There's nothing he could have done for a while now. Corbyn's mistakes came after the vote. He should have been putting forth the argument for CU/SM as soon as the vote went on. Instead, he was busy banging on about how we must invoke A50 and all the pie in the sky future relationship scenarios.
 
MoskvaRed said:
The statement is not exactly crystal clear but it seems Corbyn has finally come off the fence. Probably forced out of him by threat of further defections but welcome nonetheless.
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I really don't think the defections have had an influence on this decision. This is his final throw of the dice to stop May's suicidal strategy.
 
Yeah, looks like this is really a reframing of the same position. From the Grauniad.

“Labour has said this evening that the second referendum portion of its move is aimed at preventing Theresa May from forcing through either her deal as it stands or no deal – not necessarily at stopping Brexit in any form.

If the prime minister were to adopt a Brexit stance Labour felt it could back, there would be no push for a second referendum.”

On the other hand this is bound to fail so maybe we’ll end up with Labour properly supporting a second ref after all.
 
Dobba said:
In fairness, TINGE's policy on a second vote definitely played a part. Oh wait, they haven't got one, they're not a party. :lol:
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:lol: I don't even think they left the party cause of brexit. They said they'll back May in a confidence vote ffs.
 
Adisa said:
I'm no political guru but I can't see the point. What happens when the amendment is defeated? It will be defeated.
I've long stopped bashing Corbyn, he's a passenger at the moment, there's nothing he can do. There's nothing he could have done for a while now. Corbyn's mistakes came after the vote. He should have been putting forth the argument for CU/SM as soon as the vote went on. Instead, he was busy banging on about how we must invoke A50 and all the pie in the sky future relationship scenarios.
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Wasn't this the same as in January which was defeated in the HoC?

https://labour.org.uk/press/labour-tables-amendment-break-brexit-deadlock/
 
Woah Jeremy Corbyn.

As i understand it, the 2nd ref vote is subject to Labour losing an ammendment which adopts the Labour solution to brexit.

I have the sad feeling that both amendments will be defeated but you never know.
 
Great. So 33 days before we crash out, he’s going to put Labours alternative plan (which he has no idea whether is actually possible or not) to the house, and when that inevitably fails then he’ll back a public vote. With less than a month to go until the exit date.

Brilliant. Thanks Jeremy. Twat.
 
Kentonio said:
Great. So 33 days before we crash out, he’s going to put Labours alternative plan (which he has no idea whether is actually possible or not) to the house, and when that inevitably fails then he’ll back a public vote. With less than a month to go until the exit date.

Brilliant. Thanks Jeremy. Twat.
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Agreed. He probably should have gone to Brussels in the last few weeks to discuss it with them.
 
Dobba said:
It's certainly no more of a leap to suggest they must have heard something positive from them to be putting it out there now, than it is to claim this news is entirely down to Chuka's Goof Troop and their non-policy policy on Brexit.
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The EU will certainly welcome a change towards a CU /SM solution but not one where the Uk can do their own deals, have a say in the policy and have the benefits of the SM without actually being in it and follow the 4 freedoms
This is what May wanted.
 
So some from the Independent Group will be flocking back to labour, now it looking like a referendum.
 
Silva said:
I fully expect it to go exactly the same as the January amendment where everyone forgets about it about 2 hours after the vote
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Probably got more chance if they back the existing back bench plan... Very unlikley an official opposition amenent wins a vote.

Cooper letwin is still the main amendment to watch I think
 
Drifter said:
So some from the Independent Group will be flocking back to labour, now it looking like a referendum.
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Perhaps not just yet, Labour haven’t actually changed their position so far, there’s still a little way to go. It’s still a Brexit first policy after all.
 
Hollywood should have already produced a TV series about this. Perhaps a cross between "The West Wing" and "The Office".
 
CA_vampire said:
Hollywood should have already produced a TV series about this. Perhaps a cross between "The West Wing" and "The Office".
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Just make a new series of The Thick of It, but replace all the actors with pissed up wankers off Geordie Shore. It’ll be a fair representation.
 
Cheesy said:
I suspect this will probably be a referendum on whether or not they should be the ones to negotiate from their position instead of the Tories, as opposed to an actual referendum on Brexit or anything like that. Which would be fairly absurd considering we're a literal month away from this all happening.
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Yep - there's no confirmation that they would approve remain as an option in a second referendum.
 
Sweet Square said:
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Yeah but 95% of those complaining previously knew the position and that this was coming eventually.

I'm not sure why they'd be dissapointed unless they thought it would fly through, did anyone actually think that? Hope not
 
Smores said:
Yeah but 95% of those complaining previously knew the position and that this was coming eventually.

I'm not sure why they'd be dissapointed unless they thought it would fly through, did anyone actually think that? Hope not
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It's a empty moral outrage, it's all these people have left. Well that and shite non political party.

Reiver said:
Well then, it's game on: Tory Brexit, Labour Brexit or Remain?
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There isn't the numbers to get a refendum through parliament.
 
Sweet Square said:
There isn't the numbers to get a refendum through parliament.
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Im not getting my hopes up at all, but numbers in parliament could change quickly as the panic sets in. Especially after Remain now polling 10 points ahead. It’s going to be a crazy next few weeks.
 
Smores said:
Yeah but 95% of those complaining previously knew the position and that this was coming eventually.

I'm not sure why they'd be dissapointed unless they thought it would fly through, did anyone actually think that? Hope not
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You over estimate the general British public
 
Klopper76 said:
This is exactly what people are going to do. They'll also blame anything bad that happens to them on Remainers or the EU, instead of looking at how daft they've been.

It's reached the stage where even if you told everyone that no one in the UK would have a job after a no deal Brexit, they'd still want it because "will of the people".
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It's what 52% of people will do!

'Project Fear' slowly turning into reality right in front of our eyes, and yet people still deny it has anything to do with the very real threat of a no deal scenario playing out.

It times like this I am very glad I am living abroad. All plans for moving home well and truly on the back burner until I can see the real situation post-brexit.
 
All quite predictable given most of the conservative party in parliament do not want Brexit and definitely not without a deal.

The best thing the EU27 can do is refuse extend without a concrete voted through Parliament plan from the UK. At least one of them can see that surely.

I think a second referendum is a terrible idea. Only slightly better than May's abysmal deal. It would further division, leave would never accept a remain win. There is also a reasonable chance leave would win again.

The plug should simply be pulled. All the options for Brexit are terrible, just need parliament to admit it. Accept the result in 2016, May failed to implement it, what was argued for by leave could not be implemented as required negotiations which failed.

The end of Brexit for now, we then have a general election to decide what next after this failed Brexit.
 
Mb194dc said:
All quite predictable given most of the conservative party in parliament do not want Brexit and definitely not without a deal.

The best thing the EU27 can do is refuse extend without a concrete voted through Parliament plan from the UK. At least one of them can see that surely.

I think a second referendum is a terrible idea. Only slightly better than May's abysmal deal. It would further division, leave would never accept a remain win. There is also a reasonable chance leave would win again.

The plug should simply be pulled. All the options for Brexit are terrible, just need parliament to admit it. Accept the result in 2016, May failed to implement it, what was argued for by leave could not be implemented as required negotiations which failed.

The end of Brexit for now, we then have a general election to decide what next after this failed Brexit.
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What does that mean? Cancel Brexit? How is that better than another referendum?
 
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