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My hot take.

The difficulty is, both parties are playing musical chairs with brexit. The elephant in the room is becoming impossible to ignore, in that most people have clocked on how disastrous this is, and is continuing to be. However, instead of musical chairs its holding a grenade. Nobody wants to be left holding it when it goes off. The majority of parliament doesn't want to leave, the facts are clear at this point, the lies have become apparent but they have been forced to back brexit in some form as a way to appease voters for the party interests. Whoever calls for another referendum or to revoke brexit and remain has their party destroyed, because the other side can say "they've forced our hand we've reluctantly had to do it" etc to pass the blame onto whoever initiates common sense.

This is made even more awkward because labour cant hold, and couldn't hold a position of anti brexit, as it would destroy the party as a large portion of their voter base are leave voters. It's just a complete no win scenario for everyone. From labours perspective, they could ask for another referendum or make a campaign pledge to revoke brexit, but all it would do is strengthen the Tories long term. So the cost has to be weighed from the benefit of not having brexit vs the cost of long term Tory destruction of the country.

We need proportional representation, this psuedo 2 party system we have in the country is destroying democracy because both labour and the tories should split, there's a large ideological divide in both parties which leaves everything in deadlock. Labour needs to move back towards its socialist national party base but it cant do that without splitting, which would only strengthen the conservatives currently. the Tories also need to split in order to actually cater to the center camp and the highly right wing parliament seats.

TLDR: We need Electoral reform and the ability to hold media organisations responsible for inaccurate or false agendas being pushed that are against the interest of the population. News media has to much power in falsely influencing the electorate, and even after the leverson Inquiry everything was swept under the rug and nothing was done about it. without it, we are living in a democracy by name only.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
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I feel that his position is simple but somehow he failed to express it. He wants brexit but he wants brexit with a deal, now the issue is that he doesn't know what that deal is supposed to contain.
 
May is going to go on holiday with the EU to Egypt this week, and will no doubt achieve feck all from it, except a couple of days in the sun.
 
mancan92 said:
My cousin works at the Swindon Branch. It’s madness they literally sent everyone home today and said in the coming days they will let them know if they have a job or not. Brexit is really already hurting people’s lives and this is just the beginning.
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Quite so.
Yes there will be job losses, probable recession, potential shortages of key products and a leap into the unknown.
But it will all be worth it when we 'take back control'.
 
P-Nut said:
With so many companies pulling their trade from Brian you've got to imagine they've been told there is no chance of A50 being extended.

Fasten down the hatches boys we're heading off the cliffs
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Yeh. But No. But Yeh But.... They told me that it will all be ok when we take back control.

Let's just get on with jumping off that cliff. I am sure it will all work out ok. Won't it ????
 
Car manufacturers are leaving the UK due to global trends.

The rest of the world move on to electric cars and alternative power whereas with the prospect of JRM becoming PM, horseless carriages will be deemed too advanced for 19th century Britain.
 
This interview has sent some over the edge. Any migrant that had to deal with May's HO will know what I'm talking about. She's a cnut of the highest order.
 
Adisa said:
This interview has sent some over the edge. Any migrant that had to deal with May's HO will know what I'm talking about. She's a cnut of the highest order.
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So the nation is going to suffer because our PM is a xenophobe. Wonderful, she will probably win re-election because of it.
 
horsechoker said:
So the nation is going to suffer because our PM is a xenophobe. Wonderful, she will probably win re-election because of it.
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I wonder, how would it affect things if she outright admitted it? We seem to be headed in the direction we are regardless of any new info, or flip floppery...
 
horsechoker said:
So the nation is going to suffer because our PM is a xenophobe. Wonderful, she will probably win re-election because of it.
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I don't get why this is breaking news. If you believe she will win re-election because of being anti-immigration you must also believe it is the majority view of the electorate. I would say you're right.
 
Adisa said:
This interview has sent some over the edge. Any migrant that had to deal with May's HO will know what I'm talking about. She's a cnut of the highest order.
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I just assume that most Tory Mps, and their voters, have a problem with immigration.
 
711 said:
I don't get why this is breaking news. If you believe she will win re-election because of being anti-immigration you must also believe it is the majority view of the electorate. I would say you're right.
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Brexit was largely voted for because it was anti-immigration, therefore we can assume that a significant amount of the population is anti-immigration to some extent. Whether the majority of the electorate are is debatable, but around 40% are in my opinion.

And then there's the main opposition who are having problems with antisemitism...
 
horsechoker said:
Brexit was largely voted for because it was anti-immigration, therefore we can assume that a significant amount of the population is anti-immigration to some extent. Whether the majority of the electorate are is debatable, but around 40% are in my opinion.

And then there's the main opposition who are having problems with antisemitism...
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Yes, I should have said majority of voters rather than majority of electorate, but in general the difference is only ever brought up by those with the minority view, and they'd probably be better not doing so, as it makes them look like they're claiming support they probably don't have.
 
Jean-Claude Juncker: 'I've given up on Brexit'

Brexit is ‘the past’ and that he has ‘Brexit fatigue’.

talks with Theresa May, Mr Juncker called Brexit a ‘disaster’, blaming the gridlock in the House of Commons.

He said: “Brexit is deconstruction, it is not construction. Brexit is the past, it is not the future.

“We are trying to deliver our best efforts in order to have this Brexit being organised in a proper, civilised, well-thought-out way.

“But we are not there, because in the British Parliament there is, every time they are voting, a majority against something, there is never a majority in favour of something.”
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Drifter said:
Jean-Claude Juncker: 'I've given up on Brexit'
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The Brexiteers have ground everyone down like a shithouse Stoke team who score against you with one attack and then practically nothing works up the other end, eventually the clock runs down and the match ends.
 
Dobba said:
I'm just interested in why this video is your ground zero regarding Soubry's views on May's racism. Not her voting confidence in her a matter of weeks ago.
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Instead of making up your own agenda against me, try actually reading my post:

I have agreed with everything I had heard Soubry say so far on this.
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I have helped by highlighting the important bit, but clearly you got bored of reading my 14 word post after 10 words.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Instead of making up your own agenda against me, try actually reading my post:

I have helped by highlighting the important bit, but clearly you got bored of reading my 14 word post after 10 words.
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Sorry, I thought Soubry's vote of confidence in Theresa May meant that she wanted a racist to remain in charge of the country. I didn't realise she filled the clarification section of the voting slip to explain 'But stop being so racist please'.
 
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