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Sorry, I thought Soubry's vote of confidence in Theresa May meant that she wanted a racist to remain in charge of the country. I didn't realise she filled the clarification section of the voting slip to explain 'But stop being so racist please'.
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I get that you are frustrated but Colin shouldn't be in your line of fire. You can just lambast Soubry.
 
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I get that you are frustrated but Colin shouldn't be in your line of fire. You can just lambast Soubry.
It's pointless anyway. What's the point in digging Colin out for not knowing the nuances of this woman's character when agreeing with some things she says?
 
Soubry is a massive hypocrite. A cursory glance at her appalling voting record tells you all you need to know.

She was a regular guest on The Last Leg until someone pointed out her voting record on cutting benefits for the disabled. The only people this Independent Group care about are their rich friends. feck the lot of them.
 
"Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can pay them, maybe you can hire The Inept Group...sorry, I meant The Impotent Group...actually, that was The Irritating Gits...no, hang on...oh, f*ck it."
 
"Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can pay them, maybe you can hire The Inept Group...sorry, I meant The Impotent Group...actually, that was The Irritating Gits...no, hang on...oh, f*ck it."

I actually hummed the theme.
 
Corbyn decides the ISIS girl warrants a more passionate statement than he's given on Brexit basically ever. It's pretty clear that his leadership skills only come out when its a subject he is personally emotional about. Palestine or human rights and its a full throated call for action. Something minor like Brexit and the future of the country, and he sounds like he barely gives a feck.
 
I am not saying the Soubry is some kind of saint, I just said that the things she said yesterday were fair comment. About how Eurosceptics have scuppered pretty much every Tory Government in the last 40 years and the other things she said in the same speech about those supporting a hard Brexit.

Just because you think Autobahns are a really good, doesn't make you a Nazi, ffs!
 
This is exactly how Nazi Colly started!
 
Corbyn decides the ISIS girl warrants a more passionate statement than he's given on Brexit basically ever. It's pretty clear that his leadership skills only come out when its a subject he is personally emotional about. Palestine or human rights and its a full throated call for action. Something minor like Brexit and the future of the country, and he sounds like he barely gives a feck.

Yup. A statesman he is not...
 
I am not saying the Soubry is some kind of saint, I just said that the things she said yesterday were fair comment. About how Eurosceptics have scuppered pretty much every Tory Government in the last 40 years and the other things she said in the same speech about those supporting a hard Brexit.

Just because you think Autobahns are a really good, doesn't make you a Nazi, ffs!
Ver are your papers?
 
He is simply highlighting the extreme dishonesty of Soubry who basically claims that May is a xenophobe but at the same time supported her a month ago.

No. Don't agree.
There is nothing wrong with supporting the party leader even if you disagree with her and think of her as xenophobic.

But once she has left that party she is then free to make your feelings know.
What is unusual about that?
 
No. Don't agree.
There is nothing wrong with supporting the party leader even if you disagree with her and think of her as xenophobic.

But once she has left that party she is then free to make your feelings know.
What is unusual about that?

It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that. If she thought that May's decisions were detrimental to the country then she should have voted against her and it's even worse when she thinks that May has a major character flaw, that's the entire point of a motion of no confidence, by voting the opposite of what she actually thought she demonstrated that she is morally bankrupt and the fact that it's usual in politics isn't an excuse.
 
It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that. If she thought that May's decisions were detrimental to the country then she should have voted against her and it's even worse when she thinks that May has a major character flaw, that's the entire point of a motion of no confidence, by voting the opposite of what she actually thought she demonstrated that she is morally bankrupt and the fact that it's usual in politics isn't an excuse.
Nah, there aren't any political parties where everyone loves the leader and agrees a hundred percent with every policy. It would be outright dangerous if there were. I'm sure the members just hope they agree mostly with their leader and manifesto, and occasionally things change so they don't any more, and it's time to leave. No system's perfect but people will get to vote on them again in due course,so it's the best we've come up with.
 
Nah, there aren't any political parties where everyone loves the leader and agrees a hundred percent with every policy. It would be outright dangerous if there were. I'm sure the members just hope they agree mostly with their leader and manifesto, and occasionally things change so they don't any more, and it's time to leave. No system's perfect but people will get to vote on them again in due course,so it's the best we've come up with.

Nah to what? We are not talking about loving the leader and agreeing with everything, we are talking about a leader doing something that goes against the interest of the country because of a character flaw, you have zero excuse if you support that leader in a motion of no confidence, particularly when you are ready to leave the party a few weeks later.
 
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
She is supposed to bring something to Parliament on Wednesday next week. I think (hope) that if she doesnt have anything concrete the tories will start to turn on her. Things could move quickly after that, but weve been here before.
 
She is supposed to bring something to Parliament on Wednesday next week. I think (hope) that if she doesnt have anything concrete the tories will start to turn on her. Things could move quickly after that, but weve been here before.
Thanks.
 
Nah to what? We are not talking about loving the leader and agreeing with everything, we are talking about a leader doing something that goes against the interest of the country because of a character flaw, you have zero excuse if you support that leader in a motion of no confidence, particularly when you are ready to leave the party a few weeks later.
Nah to you telling Buster 'It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that'. His opinion makes just as much sense as yours.
 
Nah to you telling Buster 'It's daft that you even have the audacity to write that'. His opinion makes just as much sense as yours.

It's daft to say that there is nothing wrong about it. You can't say that there is nothing wrong to give your confidence to someone that "really worries", everything about it is wrong and using party politics as an excuse makes it even worse because it basically means that they put the party over the nation's interest.
 
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How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
Well through all the confusion, anger, threats, splits and the many many predictions from all sides May's plan doesn't seem to have changed much for a good while now. She's hoping, maybe even with reason, who knows, that the EU will give her something she can present as movement on the backstop to help her prevent a no deal, and that parliament will be so frightened of a no deal themselves that they will accept it at the last minute, as the best choice available. I've no idea whether this plan will work out that way or not. Loads of people will say they know for certain that it won't, quoting past votes, but the truth is they don't know either.
 
An iron law of modern British government says that whatever London wants, London gets. On Monday, with no fuss or publicity, the Bank of England and a group of City interests reached an apparently boring deal in Paris with the European Security and Markets Authority. It follows a similar deal with the European commission last December. Both state, in effect, that, as far as the City is concerned, if there is a no-deal Brexit, Brexit did not happen. It was just play-acting by idiots down the road in Westminster.

Up to £41tn in financial guarantees, insurances, hedges and other derivatives, all within the EU’s regulatory regime, is said to be at risk in the City’s clearing houses. For everyone involved, this is a grownup business, not to be left to the mercies of the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg. The regulators have duly issued licences to the clearing houses, allowing Europe’s banks to disregard EU rules and continue trading on London’s derivatives platforms. Financially speaking, London is to become a “free port”. Sighs of relief all round.

Whoah.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/22/city-free-port-brexit-deal-bankers
 

The greatest irony is that London and the south-east of England, which voted overwhelmingly for remain, will emerge from a hard Brexit richer than ever. It is the provinces that voted leave that will suffer.

Which anyone with a brain already knew to be the case.

We'll have a wall of our own in this country soon and it'll be around London.

:lol: in the comments section Corbyn is referred to as 'The High Sparrow'. Great nickname. I guess that makes May Cersei Lannister?
 
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Which anyone with a brain already knew to be the case.

We'll have a wall of our own in this country soon and it'll be around London.

:lol: in the comments section Corbyn is referred to as 'The High Sparrow'. Great nickname. I guess that makes May Cersei Lannister?
When does she make her walk of Shame?
 
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?

Until the last possible minute!
Like the USA Airforce pilot character played by actor Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove, she's riding the nuke down to its target... perhaps not waving the Stetson though!
 
The UK won't be able to roll over an EU trade deal with Japan in time for a no-deal Brexit, Trade Secretary Liam Fox has said.

It was one of the most important EU trade deals the UK hoped to replicate ahead of the 29 March withdrawal date.

The trade department also said it would not be able to roll over the EU's customs union deal with Turkey on time.

In 2017, Mr Fox said the UK would be able to replicate 40 EU free trade deals by Brexit day.

But so far the department has only been able to finalise "continuity agreements" with seven of the 69 countries and regions with which the EU has trade deals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47319533

I guess this is all just "project fear" right? All people have to do is BELIEVE IN BREXIT and everything will be fine?

A generation of post-war progress about to be flushed down the toilet because a bunch of crisis-capitalist elites told people to hate foreigners for taking their jobs and that it was the other elites that caused all your problems.

Boris will be fine, Rees Mogg will be fine, everyone else can just remember back to the blitz and thank god they had it good for so long. Right? That is brexit now isn't it? Hate foreigners, making "remoaners" angry and just believing like a cult that faith will fix all.
 
It sounds like a pragmatic interim measure to prevent a financial meltdown on 29 March rather than a longer-term special arrangement for the City.

Indeed, but in the face of the political situation its a very strange thing indeed. If it was approved by the government, then it opens up a lot of serious questions.
 
How long can May realistically run the clock down for?
Rumours are she has her eyes on an EU leaders meeting around 22 march... She could try to wait till then for a late concession then try to get her deal approved the following week.
In reality though it seems likley parliament will seek to act before then to prevent such last minute brinkmanship... I guess we will see what she brings back to the house next week and then what people try to tag onto that (and if it has any legal force)
I suspect that at 1 month to go it will probably be now or never for those looking to take control of the process (leave and remain)

Gut feel we see something like the Cox codicil... Basically a text tagged onto the legal agreement that allows Cox to change his legal advice

Personally I don't think that will keep the erg happy
 
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