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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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It's weird that people still think no deal is unlikely.

The closer the 29th of March the least likely no deal to happen. There is no preparation of the UK for no deal. They will not have any other choice than May's deal or pull out
 
Is Jim Davidson now in charge of the Home Office?
Twats.

It's 2013 to be fair ... But that's when Theresa May was in charge, and it's reanimated on Twitter today because people can't believe they thought that tweet was a good idea and still haven't deleted it. There was a whole series of equally fecking repugnant tweets.
 
He's The Blue Obama, don'tchaknow...
 
I found this photo from the FPCU during the run up to the 1975 vote. They are now essentially the (or one of the) main driving driving force behind the DUP.

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Looks like Arsenal missed out on 4th that year.
 
I found this photo from the FPCU during the run up to the 1975 vote. They are now essentially the (or one of the) main driving driving force behind the DUP.

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Fecking hell, never in my life did I think I would have seen “Antichrist” and some bible verses literally being put forward as reasons to vote against something. 1975 wasn’t even that long ago.
 
I'm not a brexiteer. I wanted to stay in. But I'm getting a little cheesed off with the almost total attitude in this thread that the EU has nothing to answer for.

They don't. They have been cooperative and professional throughout. We have been a shambles throwing childish strops because we can't cherry pick the bits we like, get rid of everything else and not pay for the privileged. The EU could have been really obstructive to make an example of anyone who tried to leave but they haven't.
 
They don't. They have been cooperative and professional throughout. We have been a shambles throwing childish strops because we can't cherry pick the bits we like, get rid of everything else and not pay for the privileged. The EU could have been really obstructive to make an example of anyone who tried to leave but they haven't.
Regardless of whether you think the UK is childish, should the fact that a country of the size and magnitude of the UK is leaving your club not give pause for a little introspection?
 
Regardless of whether you think the UK is childish, should the fact that a country of the size and magnitude of the UK is leaving your club not give pause for a little introspection?
Maybe if they actually had a well thought out reason for leaving.
 
Regardless of whether you think the UK is childish, should the fact that a country of the size and magnitude of the UK is leaving your club not give pause for a little introspection?

It depends on the reasons the country is leaving which said country can't explain.
 
Fecking hell, never in my life did I think I would have seen “Antichrist” and some bible verses literally being put forward as reasons to vote against something. 1975 wasn’t even that long ago.
I wouldn't be surprised to see bible verses in American elections next year to be honest.
 
I found this photo from the FPCU during the run up to the 1975 vote. They are now essentially the (or one of the) main driving driving force behind the DUP.

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Rome. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

feck me they really are in the stone ages. Both then and now.
 
I found this photo from the FPCU during the run up to the 1975 vote. They are now essentially the (or one of the) main driving driving force behind the DUP.

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And I can't get over their No.1 point:
The term "ecumenism" refers to efforts by Christians of different Church traditions to develop closer relationships and better understandings. The term is also often used to refer to efforts towards the visible and organic unity of different Christian denominations in some form.

So in short, these are Guys and Ladys (Hello Darlene!) who are happy to go back to the times of religious warfare. It boggles the mind....
(Edit: At the time they were already absolutely happy to have religious warfare in Northern Ireland)
 
That's introspective.

For the UK not for the EU. For the EU it would be inquisitive which depending on the answer could lead to introspection.

Also there is an issue with the idea that the EU are the reason behind brexit, when no one is actual able to explain brexit.
 
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Regardless of whether you think the UK is childish, should the fact that a country of the size and magnitude of the UK is leaving your club not give pause for a little introspection?

I'm sure it has. Thus their reasonable response.

That said there is no rationality to the UK's desire to leave (that probably no longer even exists) so how do you think about that in any rational way?
 
And I can't get over their No.1 point:
The term "ecumenism" refers to efforts by Christians of different Church traditions to develop closer relationships and better understandings. The term is also often used to refer to efforts towards the visible and organic unity of different Christian denominations in some form.

So in short, these are Guys and Ladys (Hello Darlene!) who are happy to go back to the times of religious warfare. It boggles the mind....
(Edit: At the time they were already absolutely happy to have religious warfare in Northern Ireland)

A Father Ted script rejected as being too unbelievable?
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see bible verses in American elections next year to be honest.

Ezekiel 42:20

“It had a wall all around, the length five hundred and the width five hundred, to divide between the holy and the profane.”

Can easily see some of those American evangelicals wheeling that one out :drool:
 
And I can't get over their No.1 point:
The term "ecumenism" refers to efforts by Christians of different Church traditions to develop closer relationships and better understandings. The term is also often used to refer to efforts towards the visible and organic unity of different Christian denominations in some form.

So in short, these are Guys and Ladys (Hello Darlene!) who are happy to go back to the times of religious warfare. It boggles the mind....
(Edit: At the time they were already absolutely happy to have religious warfare in Northern Ireland)
 
It's weird that people still think no deal is unlikely.

Its not that people think its unlikely, its that it is realistically now only one of two options remaining, No Deal or No Brexit!

In the HoC last night the ERG demonstrated it will if necessary take things down to the wire. We are told that the EU is not for turning (apparently?) and no other option seems to have support in the HoC. However, the majority of MP's are in the remain camp and clearly they don't want a No deal; so ultimately there may be nothing to stop it but a No Brexit!

Farage already believes this and is 'tooling up' for the aftermath, which could turn out to be a war of attrition in political terms; in the process decimating both the Tories and the Labour Party. If the new Brexit party wins sufficient seats in the upcoming EU elections, then such an outcome might conceivably lead to a worse situation for everyone, UK and EU, than the No deal option would have... at least the repercussions will probably take longer to recover from!
 
Farage already believes this and is 'tooling up' for the aftermath, which could turn out to be a war of attrition in political terms; in the process decimating both the Tories and the Labour Party. If the new Brexit party wins sufficient seats in the upcoming EU elections, then such an outcome might conceivably lead to a worse situation for everyone, UK and EU, than the No deal option would have... at least the repercussions will probably take longer to recover from!
How could it be worse? If he sets up his own party, if they get the numbers to bring us back to Brexit, you'd hope they'd go about it in a better way than we are currently attempting. Making use of the interim to actually plan out this possible outcome, no fumbling around making it up as we go like we are currently doing...
Regardless of whether you think the UK is childish, should the fact that a country of the size and magnitude of the UK is leaving your club not give pause for a little introspection?
How long is this pause supposed to last? It's over 2 years! Any pause for introspection has long subsided...
 
Regardless of whether you think the UK is childish, should the fact that a country of the size and magnitude of the UK is leaving your club not give pause for a little introspection?

I think there's a few nuances to this post.

I do agree the EU isn't perfect. It has lots of faults. I'm very much a staunch remainer but I can see and appreciate its faults. So you're right there, people should be willing to acknowledge the faults.

However, your question presumes a few things. That the vote to leave came from a place of knowledge. That
our politicians haven't long used the EU as a lightning rod for criticism. Of all the people I know who voted for Brexit, very few have actually given me valid reasons as to why. And some of them are so delusional so as not to even be worth discussing. One woman told me she wanted to stop more Indians coming into the country and then also tried telling me the one thing she was sad about after leaving was we could no longer compete in the euros or euro vision. That is the level of discourse I'm often exposed to.

I know we're not supposed to say people's views are stupid and I certainly did no such thing when talking to her. But I'm sorry, this is a poorly informed, silly view with no basis in fact at all.

So yes the EU has issues (though we had already negotiated exceptions to many of the things we did not like). Yes the EU, just like any organisation, should always be reflective. But I don't think our rather mis informed vote should be a cause of too much concern for them in terms of reform.
 
Read an interesting point about the WTO route.

Despite the obvious fact that we trade mainly with Europe anyway, the Japan deal with the EU took 6 years to sort out! Imagine if we have to negotiate 10 (or more) deals like this all at once. We would be on unfavourable terms for decades.
 
I think there's a few nuances to this post.

I do agree the EU isn't perfect. It has lots of faults. I'm very much a staunch remainer but I can see and appreciate its faults. So you're right there, people should be willing to acknowledge the faults.

However, your question presumes a few things. That the vote to leave came from a place of knowledge. That
our politicians haven't long used the EU as a lightning rod for criticism. Of all the people I know who voted for Brexit, very few have actually given me valid reasons as to why. And some of them are so delusional so as not to even be worth discussing. One woman told me she wanted to stop more Indians coming into the country and then also tried telling me the one thing she was sad about after leaving was we could no longer compete in the euros or euro vision. That is the level of discourse I'm often exposed to.

I know we're not supposed to say people's views are stupid and I certainly did no such thing when talking to her. But I'm sorry, this is a poorly informed, silly view with no basis in fact at all.

So yes the EU has issues (though we had already negotiated exceptions to many of the things we did not like). Yes the EU, just like any organisation, should always be reflective. But I don't think our rather mis informed vote should be a cause of too much concern for them in terms of reform.

Everyone knows that the EU isn't perfect and literally no one has ever suggested that it shouldn't evolve and improve. The irony here is that the poster that you are responding to was telling us yesterday that there was no reason to change the institutions that existed in 1975. Brexiteers are highly dishonest, they play for both teams, claim that they want change and then claim that things should go back to the way they were.
 
How could it be worse? If he sets up his own party, if they get the numbers to bring us back to Brexit, you'd hope they'd go about it in a better way than we are currently attempting. Making use of the interim to actually plan out this possible outcome, no fumbling around making it up as we go like we are currently doing...

How long is this pause supposed to last? It's over 2 years! Any pause for introspection has long subsided...

The in-fighting in political terms will continue, here and in the EU itself, new alliances will be formed, new breakaway parties (supposedly centrists) will take the stage. Many leavers will see the Brexit party vote in the MEP elections as their only hope. The longed for business certainty many companies crave will not necessarily occur, that is in the short term, prices will rise because of the cost of covering the contingency planning for a no deal, many EU citizens may still take flight.

The stopper may be back in the bottle with a no Brexit outcome, but the genie is out!