Brexited | the worst threads live the longest

[Paul the Wolf]

Nothing to do with who I Like. But if you let countries in that are not economically ready and then tell them 'you are in, you can go wherever you like'. Where are they going to go? This would be less of the case if those country's had genuinely achieved the required economic standards.

Which countries are you talking about? The sick man of Europe in 1973, the UK? . Most of the 500Million are made of the large countries and most were there before the UK. Or some of the eastern European countries of very small populations
Who decided to let these countries in, some faceless bureaucrat or did the UK have a say. Most of these countries are the fastest growers in the EU. Better all together, as the UK will find out quite soon.
Who are you objecting to having freedom of movement?

The only period in recent history that the Uk haven't had freedom of movement was between 1962 and 1973 because before the EC/EU there was the United Kingdom and Colonies citizens until 1962 until the UK didn't want them either.

 

[Buster15]

Rumours going around Chuka is resigning from Labour at 8pm and with the intention of starting a new centrist party.

He went down in my estimation when he pulled out of the last Labour leadership race.

I know he said that he had valid reason for doing that but he must have known the outcome.

Nevertheless I would support him if he can put together a meaningful setup as I would struggle to back a party lead by Corbyn.

 

[Mb194dc]

I'll be surprised if Brexit actually happens as part of this process. It's a total shambles. Still the same options as December.

Europe, the UK and the world going to face fairly severe economic issues over the next couple of years imo. That is likely to drive changes in the EU and the especially the EMU. Very hard to predict how things will play out but it's unlikely to be good in the short / medium term.

 

[GloryHunter07]

This is like an ITK transfer rumour

 

[Buster15]

You wont find 0.44% of British people who know what the Uk's trading arrangements are.

I'd be surprised if 0.044% of British people know how international trade works.

But the country have decided to take their advice.

Paul.
I fully understand that you don't agree with the decision to leave the EU and I also understand that you are not particularly impressed with the way the UK government are handling the leaving process.
Me and a lot of people would say here here to that view.

However, it is not good form for you to belittle British people's intelligence.
Am I right that you studied International Law at University.
That being the case, I am sure that you are something of an expert.

But it would be wrong to compare your knowledge with the average man or woman in the street.
Of course the average person would not understand such a complex subject.

I was an aero engineer but I would not expect most of the people who fly on an aeroplane to understand how the engines work.

 

[sun_tzu]

This is like an ITK transfer rumour

JRM to relaunch the Whig party

 

[Abizzz]

JRM to relaunch the Whig party

Why would he? He has Britain's largest party by the balls...

 

[Untied]

He went down in my estimation when he pulled out of the last Labour leadership race.

I know he said that he had valid reason for doing that but he must have known the outcome.

Nevertheless I would support him if he can put together a meaningful setup as I would struggle to back a party lead by Corbyn.

Which of Chuka's policies do you like?

When he opposed a second referendum? Or when he supported leaving the single market to end freedom of movement?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Paul.
I fully understand that you don't agree with the decision to leave the EU and I also understand that you are not particularly impressed with the way the UK government are handling the leaving process.
Me and a lot of people would say here here to that view.

However, it is not good form for you to belittle British people's intelligence.
Am I right that you studied International Law at University.
That being the case, I am sure that you are something of an expert.

But it would be wrong to compare your knowledge with the average man or woman in the street.
Of course the average person would not understand such a complex subject.

I was an aero engineer but I would not expect most of the people who fly on an aeroplane to understand how the engines work.

I don't expect them to know. I'm not belittling their intelligence in that sense. Cheering for a no deal when they haven't got a clue what it means is stupid beyond belief.

I haven't a clue about aero engineering or flying but no-one's going to ask me to design a plane or even worse to fly it.

How can they be asked to decide something they know very little about.

 

[Buster15]

Which of Chuka's policies do you like?

When he opposed a second referendum? Or when he supported leaving the single market to end freedom of movement?

I completely disagree with the need for a second referendum.
It is a stupid idea.

 

[Buster15]

I don't expect them to know. I'm not belittling their intelligence in that sense. Cheering for a no deal when they haven't got a clue what it means is stupid beyond belief.

I haven't a clue about aero engineering or flying but no-one's going to ask me to design a plane or even worse to fly it.

How can they be asked to decide something they know very little about.

I would agree that cheering for a no deal is in my opinion stupid even if they had a clue what it could mean.

But. That is the nature of democracy isn't it.
You don't just ask those who have an understanding of the issues. You ask everybody and then try to explain the issues.
And this is the same in every democracy.

I have spoken to people who voted to leave and I struggle to understand their logic.
But their vote is just as relevant as anyone else.
By the way I have also spoken to people who voted remain and their logic is equally strange.

Jacob R Mogg is undoubtedly extremely intelligent and highly educated and yet he would be perfectly happy with a no deal leave. He would probably think my opposite view stupid.
Democracy is far from perfect, but....

Don't worry. If you fly with Rolls-Royce engines you will be ok.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I would agree that cheering for a no deal is in my opinion stupid even if they had a clue what it could mean.

But. That is the nature of democracy isn't it.
You don't just ask those who have an understanding of the issues. You ask everybody and then try to explain the issues.
And this is the same in every democracy.

I have spoken to people who voted to leave and I struggle to understand their logic.
But their vote is just as relevant as anyone else.
By the way I have also spoken to people who voted remain and their logic is equally strange.

Jacob R Mogg is undoubtedly extremely intelligent and highly educated and yet he would be perfectly happy with a no deal leave. He would probably think my opposite view stupid.
Democracy is far from perfect, but....

Don't worry. If you fly with Rolls-Royce engines you will be ok.

That is why I'm totally against referenda, fortunately there are not many in the Uk or France. There's democracy and direct democracy.
Having said that, the incompetence of the politicians leads one to despair, however, there should be people in the background advising the politicians.

JRM will be perfectly to happy to leave with no deal, it will be very profitable for him. He knows little about international trade but he can convince the public he does because they don't know if he's telling the truth or not.

Do not put me in charge of a plane no matter what engines it has.

 

[Stanley Road]

Nothing to do with who I Like. But if you let countries in that are not economically ready and then tell them 'you are in, you can go wherever you like'. Where are they going to go? This would be less of the case if those country's had genuinely achieved the required economic standards.

Spot on. They go to western and north western eu countries. The ones with less skills but speak English , end up in the uk. Tje smarter guys follow the salary scale.

 

[Buster15]

That is why I'm totally against referenda, fortunately there are not many in the Uk or France. There's democracy and direct democracy.
Having said that, the incompetence of the politicians leads one to despair, however, there should be people in the background advising the politicians.

JRM will be perfectly to happy to leave with no deal, it will be very profitable for him. He knows little about international trade but he can convince the public he does because they don't know if he's telling the truth or not.

Do not put me in charge of a plane no matter what engines it has.

I am certainly not an advocate of JRM but having looked at wiki, he did have a pretty successfully career in finance before he became an MP.

Not international trade, but not that far removed.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I am certainly not an advocate of JRM but having looked at wiki, he did have a pretty successfully career in finance before he became an MP.

Not international trade, but not that far removed.

In finance for sure he knows what he's doing and that's where he's going to make his money.
International trade is my speciality and he doesn't know that much, I assure you.

 

[GloryHunter07]

So what was the 8pm announcement @Sweet Square

 

[madzo2007]

Although its a slightly minor point in the catastrophe that would be 'No Deal' major car manufacturers like Porsche & Volvo are saying they will pass on a up to 10% tariff charge to customers after March 29th

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

So what was the 8pm announcement @Sweet Square

 

[Wibble]

Do you think the Australians would join under the current rules?

In a flash for trade although we too are quite fond of a bit of racist dogwhistling.

 

[Ramshock]

I think Paul the Wolf should post more in here, 400 posts a day hardly seems like much!

 

[Smores]

Personally think this new centrist party is an idle threat but even on those grounds it doesn't add up, the People's Vote campaign who these same MPs are involved with accepted parlaiment doesnt have the numbers even with Labour whipped.

Therefore i can only conclude it's just them trying to keep a second referendum talked about until crunch time.

 

[Stanley Road]

Paul.
I fully understand that you don't agree with the decision to leave the EU and I also understand that you are not particularly impressed with the way the UK government are handling the leaving process.
Me and a lot of people would say here here to that view.

However, it is not good form for you to belittle British people's intelligence.
Am I right that you studied International Law at University.
That being the case, I am sure that you are something of an expert.

But it would be wrong to compare your knowledge with the average man or woman in the street.
Of course the average person would not understand such a complex subject.

I was an aero engineer but I would not expect most of the people who fly on an aeroplane to understand how the engines work.

Also spot on. Paul & Jpr understand the ins and outs of the eu and trade but have no clue how the common man thinks. That is their let down in this entire thread.

 

[Wibble]

Paul.
I fully understand that you don't agree with the decision to leave the EU and I also understand that you are not particularly impressed with the way the UK government are handling the leaving process.
Me and a lot of people would say here here to that view.

However, it is not good form for you to belittle British people's intelligence.
Am I right that you studied International Law at University.
That being the case, I am sure that you are something of an expert.

But it would be wrong to compare your knowledge with the average man or woman in the street.
Of course the average person would not understand such a complex subject.

I was an aero engineer but I would not expect most of the people who fly on an aeroplane to understand how the engines work.

I suspect that is Paul's point - people didn't have the required understanding to make a decision based on trade.

 

[Wibble]

Also spot on. Paul & Jpr understand the ins and outs of the eu and trade but have no clue how the common man thinks. That is their let down in this entire thread.

Which is why referendums are often such lotteries.

 

[JPRouve]

Also spot on. Paul & Jpr understand the ins and outs of the eu and trade but have no clue how the common man thinks. That is their let down in this entire thread.

I'm pretty sure that I'm a commoner and I have to admit that I don't know how other commoners think. I didn't even know that the common people were following a single line of thought.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Also spot on. Paul & Jpr understand the ins and outs of the eu and trade but have no clue how the common man thinks. That is their let down in this entire thread.

Sounds terrifying. Programmed by Facebook?

 

[Tucholsky]

Also spot on. Paul & Jpr understand the ins and outs of the eu and trade but have no clue how the common man thinks. That is their let down in this entire thread.

My cardiologist and my internist know my health history, know how my medication works and interacts and what risks the different treatments have.
But they have no idea what Paul and John (plumber and a banker) from the corner pub think how my treatment should be done.....

Ist that really the level of discourse you aspire?

 

[GloryHunter07]

I read that in the Guardian this afternoon

 

[diarm]

I think Paul the Wolf should post more in here, 400 posts a day hardly seems like much!

Paul is doing fine. He's patiently putting points across on subjects he understands, in the face of those making twice as many posts, with less than half the understanding. I admire his restraint to be honest.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Also spot on. Paul & Jpr understand the ins and outs of the eu and trade but have no clue how the common man thinks. That is their let down in this entire thread.

Stanley Road, man of the people. Knows what the common man thinks from across the sea.

 

[Stanley Road]

Stanley Road, man of the people. Knows what the common man thinks from across the sea.

That's me, i also know how they think when i go back home. We do keep in touch you know.

 

[Stanley Road]

Paul is doing fine. He's patiently putting points across on subjects he understands, in the face of those making twice as many posts, with less than half the understanding. I admire his restraint to be honest.

He doesn't understand how the uk got to this point, until he does, his technical knowledge is a waste of time. Same with jpr.

 

[caid]

He doesn't understand how the uk got to this point, until he does, his technical knowledge is a waste of time. Same with jpr.

Yes ignoring people with technical knowledge is definitely the way to go. It'll be grand, gerronwithit.

 

[diarm]

He doesn't understand how the uk got to this point, until he does, his technical knowledge is a waste of time. Same with jpr.

The UK doesn't understand how it got to this point.

Idiots being upset at being mistreated by other idiots, have decided to put their fate in the hands of yet bigger idiots. But they get upset when you call them idiots. It's a sorry state of affairs.

I agree with your point about his technical knowledge being useless in this context though. It's about as productive as explaining the theory of relativity to a room full of pigs.

 

[Abizzz]

He doesn't understand how the uk got to this point, until he does, his technical knowledge is a waste of time. Same with jpr.

Brexiteers got to be the most arrogant people since the Romans. They are the sole people capable of understanding the UK, they are the only ones who know what "the common man" wants, they know how trade works and how everyone will react. They are competent to judge international organisations without having to acquire any information about them. They know everyone's intentions. They are so excellent that the only thing that stands in their path to wealth is being able to trade freely with 27 Nations. They want to be protected from the freedom of movement yet are certain they'll remain free to move.


Yet somehow they can't handle criticism.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Brexiteers got to be the most arrogant people since the Romans. They are RUUULLLEEE BRITTAAANNIIIAA, BRRIITTTAAANNIIAAA RUUULLLEEE THE WAAAVVEESSS

GEEERRROOONNWWWIIIIVVVVIIITTT

Fixed it for you

 

[Abizzz]

Fixed it for you

No clue if Nelson or Cook would have been brexiteers but i'm sure if they would have been they at least would've plotted a course.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

No clue if Nelson or Cook would have been brexiteers but i'm sure if they would have been they at least would've plotted a course.

I can imagine a few delusional Brexiteer politicians who have pictures of themselves in their minds standing side by side with them.

 

[Zarlak]

Paul.
I fully understand that you don't agree with the decision to leave the EU and I also understand that you are not particularly impressed with the way the UK government are handling the leaving process.
Me and a lot of people would say here here to that view.

However, it is not good form for you to belittle British people's intelligence.
Am I right that you studied International Law at University.
That being the case, I am sure that you are something of an expert.

But it would be wrong to compare your knowledge with the average man or woman in the street.
Of course the average person would not understand such a complex subject.

I was an aero engineer but I would not expect most of the people who fly on an aeroplane to understand how the engines work.

Actually, fecking millions of us average people understood the implications of Brexit. You're the one belittling British people's intelligence here. Don't want to see leavers trying to weasel their way out of personal responsibility by claiming they never understood it, the picture was painted as clear as day the entire run up. It's laughable that you say Paul is an expert and so knows what he's talking about, when the entire emphasis of leavers was to actively not listen to experts because they didn't trust them. Every expert was telling you day in, day out that it was a bad idea, and all the reasons why, but the leavers listened to them and then said 'nope, I don't believe you.' That is one of the main reasons why they're called idiots, precisely because those who lacked the knowledge required, were provided it by the people who had the knowledge, and they said they didn't believe or trust them. That is absolutely moronic at its core.

 

[Buster15]

Actually, fecking millions of us average people understood the implications of Brexit. You're the one belittling British people's intelligence here. Don't want to see leavers trying to weasel their way out of personal responsibility by claiming they never understood it, the picture was painted as clear as day the entire run up. It's laughable that you say Paul is an expert and so knows what he's talking about, when the entire emphasis of leavers was to actively not listen to experts because they didn't trust them. Every expert was telling you day in, day out that it was a bad idea, and all the reasons why, but the leavers listened to them and then said 'nope, I don't believe you.' That is one of the main reasons why they're called idiots, precisely because those who lacked the knowledge required, were provided it by the people who had the knowledge, and they said they didn't believe or trust them. That is absolutely moronic at its core.

You have missed the point completely.
The post related to MP's cheering about the vote to take no deal off the table.