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Buster15 said:
I have just listened to the HoC update on the radio.
In response to TM, JC stated that the reason why he wants a 'Legally Binding Customs Union with the EU' is to ensure that there can be a frictionless trade and no hard border border in Ireland and so overcome the the need for the backstop.
These are not his precise words but essentially that is what he said. He most certainly said the words Legally binding customs union with the EU and did not say Free Trade Agreement and he did not say remain in the EUCU.

Now. I mentioned this yesterday and was told that I was wrong and that I didn't understand which I accepted.
If Jeremy Corbyn is wrong then I would suggest that someone needs to tell the leader of the opposition that he doesn't understand and that he is wrong.
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He's wrong. People have been saying the entirety of british parliament doesn't understand what they're talking about for a while. Its a possible route to a deal but one that you'd be doing well to have negotiated something close to it 2 years. Its too late to be a realistic option right now I'd say, its not a particularly realistic option without heavy concessions regardless. Joining the EUCU would be more realistic but even that has probably been left too late without a big delay.
 
Buster15 said:
I was hoping you would comment.
His exact words are on the BBC website. I have checked and he is indeed talking about A Customs Union as opposed to the EUCU.

Assuming you are correct and he is incorrect, it is surprising is it not that neither TM or anyone else did not correct him.
In particular I would have expected K Starmer to have informed him.
He claims (see the BBC) that he has support from the EU....
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Starmer and Corbyn have both been saying this on similar lines since well before the end of last year.
He'd have the backing of the EU if they were in the customs union and the Uk followed by the rules of that customs union.
He's yet another politician misleading the public.

This sums it up:
JPRouve said:
What will solve the problem is to have the same rules, same protocols within the same jurisdiction.
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Paul the Wolf said:
Starmer and Corbyn have both been saying this on similar lines since well before the end of last year.
He'd have the backing of the EU if they were in the customs union and the Uk followed by the rules of that customs union.
He's yet another politician misleading the public.

This sums it up:
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But what's the point of trying to mislead the British public if there is no substance to what they are saying.

Please don't think I am doubting what you are saying but I have to take it that the BBC are printing accurate information.

It quite clearly states that the Irish border issue can be overcome by 'A comprehensive trade deal with the EU'.
 
Buster15 said:
But what's the point of trying to mislead the British public if there is no substance to what they are saying.

Please don't think I am doubting what you are saying but I have to take it that the BBC are printing accurate information.

It quite clearly states that the Irish border issue can be overcome by 'A comprehensive trade deal with the EU'.
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All the politicians have not stopped misleading the public since the very beginning of all this.
Can you post a link to the story?
 
On the 28th March when the EU have told Mrs May to **ss off for the umpteenth time, Tory Brexiteers are considering marshalling behind Farage, Labour has realised none of what JC or KS has said has made a blind bit of difference, the PM will announce in the commons that since the EU are determining to punish us, the Brexiteers wont accept BRINO, and labour wont support her deal, then she has no option to call off Brexit, cancel Article 50, and to put up candidates for the forthcoming EU elections with the intention of fighting a guerrilla campaign on the inside.
 
Buster15 said:
Hopefully this link will open .

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...gQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1F1v8c5XaInrsHzxaZP9fi&cf=1
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Yes thanks, it's the same nonsense he's been spouting since last year.

For example : "Labour would seek a final deal that gives full access to European markets and maintains the benefits of the single market and the customs union," he said. - I mean for pity's sake.

As we've been saying , it is Tory 2016 Mark two (plus plus) . He's just trying to undermine May and get a GE , that's all he's interested in.
Don't think he understands the transition period either and furthermore to get to the transition period there has to be a withdrawal agreement which he has rejected also.


In her statement today , May reiterated her rejection of a customs union, which was one of five demands made by Corbyn if she wanted Labour to back her deal. She said a customs union would prevent the UK from signing its own trade deals and was “a less desirable outcome than that which is provided for in the political declaration”.

Give me half an hour with him.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes thanks, it's the same nonsense he's been spouting since last year.

For example : "Labour would seek a final deal that gives full access to European markets and maintains the benefits of the single market and the customs union," he said. - I mean for pity's sake.

As we've been saying , it is Tory 2016 Mark two (plus plus) . He's just trying to undermine May and get a GE , that's all he's interested in.
Don't think he understands the transition period either and furthermore to get to the transition period there has to be a withdrawal agreement which he has rejected also.


In her statement today , May reiterated her rejection of a customs union, which was one of five demands made by Corbyn if she wanted Labour to back her deal. She said a customs union would prevent the UK from signing its own trade deals and was “a less desirable outcome than that which is provided for in the political declaration”.

Give me half an hour with him.
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Thank you my friend.
I have just noticed that this was from early last year and was actually not what I was reading earlier this morning.

The problem is that the BBC update their website so often that it can be awkward trying to find something you read only a short time ago.
I will try again to locate what was written this morning.
It may well not be that different but I am keen to look again at it.
 
I am now at the stage where they should simply get out now no deal and deal with the consequences whatever they maybe and that is from someone who still doesn't know what the hell will be needed by me regarding staying in Germany after this farce has run its course.
 
Buster15 said:
Thank you my friend.
I have just noticed that this was from early last year and was actually not what I was reading earlier this morning.

The problem is that the BBC update their website so often that it can be awkward trying to find something you read only a short time ago.
I will try again to locate what was written this morning.
It may well not be that different but I am keen to look again at it.
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Ok, saw that interview that Laura K who's supposed to be a leading reporter and the questioning is so weak.

There are many complicated reasons but one small example is if the Uk import something and there is no border, it has to comply with EU regulations. The Uk can't set its own tariffs etc, etc
 
Penna said:
Do you have resident status, @dogrob?
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I did have an Aufenthaltserlaubnis @Penna which is permanent resident status which was no longer need after the changes in the law with regards to being in the EU years ago, I recently contacted the local office for foreigners and they told me they dont have a clue whats going on or what will happen. I am now sick tired and fed up of the whole circus and as for the so called politicians each and every one of them should be disgusted with themselves because they are playing around with people and their livelihoods and as for these nothing will change comments I trust not one of these idiots as far as I can throw them.
 
dogrob said:
I did have an Aufenthaltserlaubnis @Penna which is permanent resident status which was no longer need after the changes in the law with regards to being in the EU years ago, I recently contacted the local office for foreigners and they told me they dont have a clue whats going on or what will happen. I am now sick tired and fed up of the whole circus and as for the so called politicians each and every one of them should be disgusted with themselves because they are playing around with people and their livelihoods and as for these nothing will change comments I trust not one of these idiots as far as I can throw them.
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Can you have it(I'm not writing that) again?
 
JPRouve said:
Can you have it(I'm not writing that) again?
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I dont physically have the permit anymore as it wasnt needed due to the EU but on the computers of the office for foreigners they should have that I have a permit which I got in 1996 with no time limit, I could go for German Nationality I have lived here long enough, am married to a German but personally I do not see why I should pay for the Einbürgerung Test (Idiot Test regarding Germany) which costs around 25€ for each attempt then a language test that can cost up to 100€ plus any costs for paperwork which you have to pay yourself and to top it off pay 255€ to get German nationality.
 
dogrob said:
I dont physically have the permit anymore as it wasnt needed due to the EU but on the computers of the office for foreigners they should have that I have a permit which I got in 1996 with no time limit, I could go for German Nationality I have lived here long enough, am married to a German but personally I do not see why I should pay for the Einbürgerung Test (Idiot Test regarding Germany) which costs around 25€ for each attempt then a language test that can cost up to 100€ plus any costs for paperwork which you have to pay yourself and to top it off pay 255€ to get German nationality.
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Maybe you should try to get a physical copy of the permit if it's possible. As for the rest it's crazy, in France you pay 86€ for a stamp duty and that's only for the passport, otherwise if you lose your free ID you have to pay 25€.
 
dogrob said:
I did have an Aufenthaltserlaubnis @Penna which is permanent resident status which was no longer need after the changes in the law with regards to being in the EU years ago, I recently contacted the local office for foreigners and they told me they dont have a clue whats going on or what will happen. I am now sick tired and fed up of the whole circus and as for the so called politicians each and every one of them should be disgusted with themselves because they are playing around with people and their livelihoods and as for these nothing will change comments I trust not one of these idiots as far as I can throw them.
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Surely you'll be OK, if you're already a permanent resident? You may already know this site, the Italian version has been invaluable to us. This is an article from November, but still pertinent.
https://www.thelocal.de/20181126/wh...t-brexit-if-you-are-british-living-in-germany
 
JPRouve said:
Maybe you should try to get a physical copy of the permit if it's possible. As for the rest it's crazy, in France you pay 86€ for a stamp duty and that's only for the passport, otherwise if you lose your free ID you have to pay 25€.
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It cost me €55 to get french nationality. Haven't bothered to get a french passport and the ID card is free of course.
 
Penna said:
Surely you'll be OK, if you're already a permanent resident? You may already know this site, the Italian version has been invaluable to us. This is an article from November, but still pertinent.
https://www.thelocal.de/20181126/wh...t-brexit-if-you-are-british-living-in-germany
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Personally @Penna I trust none of that there are so many ifs and buts for example if I apply for now German nationality and there is no transition period I would have to give up my British nationality. Regarding health insurance and driving licence I have had German ones for years now so that wouldn't be a problem. But all the things mentioned are still ifs and buts who knows what the clowns running the UK will do between now and the end of March.

To be on the safe side I have warned my Mum that if the door bell rings and I am stood there with the stick with the red spotted with all my bits and pieces she will know why.
 
Brexit is like Trump. As an outsider I said. I hope Trump to see how shit hits the fan. Now I regret it. Same happens with Brexit, so I hope it doesn't happen.
 
horsechoker said:
If I weren't British I'd be loving it
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You can be sure that politicians around Europe can't believe their luck.
For the first time in ages someone else is taking all the flack and they have someone else to blame for all the problems.

It won't be long before reality returns and they have nothing to hide behind.

We might be the laughing stock at the moment but the other countries and their leaders are very far from perfect.
 
Buster15 said:
You can be sure that politicians around Europe can't believe their luck.
For the first time in ages someone else is taking all the flack and they have someone else to blame for all the problems.

It won't be long before reality returns and they have nothing to hide behind.

We might be the laughing stock at the moment but the other countries and their leaders are very far from perfect.
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Believe me, no politician in europe is talking about Brexit in their countries directed to their population. When they answer something about it is for the brittish people and the brittish government. Nobody cares in europe
 
Buster15 said:
You can be sure that politicians around Europe can't believe their luck.
For the first time in ages someone else is taking all the flack and they have someone else to blame for all the problems.

It won't be long before reality returns and they have nothing to hide behind.

We might be the laughing stock at the moment but the other countries and their leaders are very far from perfect.
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Brexit is hardly in the news here. Any problems are directed towards the government - not using the EU as scapegoat like it is in the UK.
 
Buster15 said:
You can be sure that politicians around Europe can't believe their luck.
For the first time in ages someone else is taking all the flack and they have someone else to blame for all the problems.

It won't be long before reality returns and they have nothing to hide behind.

We might be the laughing stock at the moment but the other countries and their leaders are very far from perfect.
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What? Do you really believe politicians in Europe are blaming "all their problems" on Brexit? Like others said, it's barely mentioned in relation to policies. General feelings are somewhere between light amusement and schadenfreude due to the sense of entitlement and British exceptionalism regarding the EU in the past but overall not too many care.
I just feel bad for my British friends from my time studying in the UK.
 
I can only confirm what the others are saying. Brexit isn't in the news and has never been, politicians don't talk about it at the exception of extremes that used it as an example during the first weeks after the referendum.
 
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