They forgot about the one in Ireland
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I doubt most people who voted for Brexit understood what it actually meant, especially when it came to the Irish border. I think that's more obvious than ever now. They were essentially promised an end to immigration and loads more money to go to the NHS, and neither of those are going to happen.
The border was barely ever even brought up during the referendum and most mainland UK people don't give a toss about NI anyway.
A FTA is irrelevant (see above)
So what if Mays deal eventually passes. And the future relationship is this 'comprehensive' FTA. Are you saying that even that cannot solve the border problem?
What will solve the problem is to have the same rules, same protocols within the same jurisdiction.
Yes that's what I'm saying.
The solution that the backstop is waiting for doesn't yet exist and until it does ...
Brexit 'can enhance UK's lethality', says defence secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/brexit-uk-military-defence-gavin-williamson
He specifically mentions this in relation to the threat posed by Russia and China. Also that our military influence will increase.
So, a heartwarming story of Brexit followed by war with Russia and/or China.
On a serious note, it's stories like these that really get me worried as you know our Government is filled with idiots that actually believe this.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/brexit-uk-military-defence-gavin-williamson
He specifically mentions this in relation to the threat posed by Russia and China. Also that our military influence will increase.
So, a heartwarming story of Brexit followed by war with Russia and/or China.
On a serious note, it's stories like these that really get me worried as you know our Government is filled with idiots that actually believe this.
Which is a CU. And a CU forbids unilateral deals with third countries. A50 isn't fit for purpose.
Williamson is a total weapon. He reminds me of a Coogan character. Sadly, with Grayling around, he’s not even the biggest fool in the Cabinet.
Most EU countries don't have an Irish border problem and leaving the EU doesn't necessarily mean leave the CU.
I think they'll be long gone before facing the real consequences of their voting patterns and even if not there's also going to be someone else who looks different, sounds different or less well off for them to blame.
I not sure what to make of it, either I patronise older people and think well of course they feel this way because the world has rapidly change so much that unless you've grown up with this change, the effect must be like sticking your head in a microwave and turning the settings to 11. So of course a person with this experience is going to be terrified 99% of the time about imagery fears coming to get them. Or I take them at face value and think that the idea of leaving society in a better place for your kids/grandchildren(the most basic way to see if we are making progress)is something older people actively dislike and want to fight against.
For the most part I just blame Thatcher, she polluted the minds of millions.
Art.50 has nothing to do with this and a CU doesn't forbid unilateral deals with third countries. Unilateral deals with third countries make open borders impossible.
What makes you think no one will put a border up, just because a lot of people have said they won't?
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if those three are declaring that to be the case then get them to sign a legally binding agreement to put it into law.
Why is everyone saying that a CU does forbid this then?
But there is a lot of mixed messages coming from representatives of all three. The European Commission and the NI secretary of state has both said there would need to be border checks put in place in the event of a no deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46961982
https://www.irishnews.com/news/brex...l-mean-wto-customs-checks-in-ireland-1488385/
It's ironic though that the very thing preventing a deal being agreed and preserving the GFA is the backstop which is needed to protect the GFA.
I think all the politicians involved have been saying there will be no border controls put in place because they don't want to be seen as the side that breaks the GFA. But i think privately they all know in a no deal scenario a border is inevitable because of WTO MFN.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...f-irish-border-mandatory-under-no-deal-brexit
How will everybody be celebrating Brexit?
Thank you for your patience and clear explanation.
My confusion was that I had read that if the UK entered into a trading arrangement with the EU which effectively mirrored the EUCU then that would solve the seemless border that currently exists in Ireland.
Who exactly said that? You could have individual trades but you couldn't have open borders which would negate one of the main points of a CU, you would also need to respect rules of origin for obvious reasons.
Popcorn and Sky News.
Because they’re getting a CU confused with the rules around WTO tariffs? (which do forbid giving preferential treatment to individual countries)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...great-exhibition-queen-victoria-a8561021.html
Brexit Festival obviously!
Brexfest?
Those caf members outside the UK will be preparing to send Red Cross parcels to the caf members trapped within the evil claws of Brexit.
Dear Jeremy,
Love Theresa.
Idi Amin says stop stealing his joke, and he's a big chap. Although he's a bit dead, so you should be ok.
Border FFS, it’s not an Irish person boarding a train!
I think age is an excuse. My in-laws are 80
and 70. They read up on it and voted remain as did a few of their friends.
I have elderly relatives who fell for the Union Jack posts on FB in particular telling them they’d face more foreign doctors, longer wait times, floods of Roma and Turks robbing, raping and pillaging in general, Muslim men pedo rings etc etc. all absolute BS
The remain side didn’t do enough to convince people otherwise or outline the benefits
Issue was we'd had successive governments who spent years blaming the EU for a lot of their own failings, and accepting the "immigration isn't good" narrative which drove up Euroscepticism. When it came to a referendum, it was always going to be a hard sell on their part. And much as a lot of the People's Vote rhetoric is beyond cringe inducing, they at least seem to be, like, enthusiastic and stuff about the EU. Which is more than a lot of Remainers ever managed.
Are there any good public Brexit parties planned for March 29th?
Is it going to be designated as a National Holiday (Independence Day), like the 4th of July in the US?
Is it going to be designated as a National Holiday (Independence Day), like the 4th of July in the US?
My mistake.
Was there a need to use FFS though. It was a simple error.
Never made one ?
For me, what Brexiteers did very well was convince people that their current dissatisfaction with their lot was due to the EU. They neatly papered over the fact that the country has been subjected to Austerity for years and convinced people that post Brexit Britain would be one of milk and honey and that their lives would be so much better.
That's the same that happened with the raise of independentism in Catalonia. The blame game, catalan politicians they blamed spain for the crisis and many people bought it. Though is not that there are so many other reasons but that is another story
fecking politicians blaming others on their incompetence
And millions of people fell for it.
When I spoke to friends and relatives who voted to leave, the words 'taking back control of our country' resonated with them.
That as well as a degree of protest vote.
When I speak to those same people now, most want a 'people's vote' but don't really understand why, while a few are happy to leave without a deal on the basis that whatever happens in the short term, it will be worth the pain for the long-term gain.
These are all Conservative voters incidentally.
The latter are all actually quite intelligent individuals who assure me that it will all work out well and see the emerging risks as project fear!!!!.
I suspect that this is pretty much typical?
Did they give you a clue as to what they thought the long term gain would be?
As you say, folk were influenced by the most ridiculous things on social media. I was talking to a (young) woman before the vote, she was quite honestly daft as a brush but she'd read something about Turkey on FB and that was that, she was voting leave because she was suddenly scared of Turkey possibly becoming part of the EU. Another one in the same conversation was voting leave because she thought there were too many people from Pakistan and India in the UK.
You couldn't make it up, but sadly, someone did and plenty of others believed it.
Yes. It was a combination of a stronger economy (!) due to being able to expand trade and far fewer immigrants which they saw as putting far too much pressure on limited services.
I guess that if you put on some very rose tinted glasses and totally believe what Brexiteers have sold to them then this may be quite typical.
To be honest I have tried to reason but I am called a Remoaner.
Sorry it’s just that I’ve seen it like that in multiple places including on here.
They delusional
Immigration had been proven to be positive for every economy. They use more services but they generate way more taxes to compensate as they are sane and in a good age to not get sick, also they came here to make money, not to be on welfare (there is that odd exception like in anything else, like locals too)
And they will never have a better deal with 27 of their neighbours (the most important economies because of their proximity) like the one they have now.
That are FACTS
The only thing will be to strike new trade deals with other economies. That no-one can know, depends on if in UK you have mastermind trade dealers, and seeing their proficiency on brexit I doubt it. Also is less probable to have worse deals being a tiny economy of 60 millions than inside the EU. But as I said, no one knows.
But the first 2 facts? are indisputable
Who gives a shit about the country anyway? A party needs to be kept together.
Yeah, but it was golden.