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it's just a burn pogue not everything has to follow some ancient rules of debate
He'd make a great politician.
No-one knows, maybe all will be revealed on 30th March.
We get our country back!!!!!!!!!!
Aside from that border that virtually anyone can cross.
I don't see too much wrong with Labours recent proposal. It's achievable now they've water down the single market element.
Yes it is basically remain in essence but for a lot of people thats fine. It clearly doesn't meet the mandate of every segment of leave voters but for a minority it might and we are at the point of delivering minimum difference to placate the electorate.
Yes it is basically remain in essence but for a lot of people thats fine. It clearly doesn't meet the mandate of every segment of leave voters but for a minority it might and we are at the point of delivering minimum difference to placate the electorate.
I mean by very definition if they are using Brexit as an excuse for it, it has something to do with Brexit and wouldn't have occurred had Brexit not occurred.
Cause and effect. For those like me with an interest in science, it is important to consider cause and effect.
We all know the effect; the UK voted
There is a good saying:
Piss poor planning leads to piss poor product.
How true that is and there is another good saying:
Cause and effect.
The effect is evident - a shambles.
The cause - piss poor planning.
If we learn just one thing from our abysmal brexit process, it must be not to jump into anything without proper planning.
You can't make this up.
Indeed, failing to plan is planning to fail.
It’s not even a very good burn, seeing as Tusk was still Prime Minister of Poland when the EU were dealing with the banking crisis, never mind having anything to do with “designing the monetary union”.
and brexiteers have a plan, loot the country, but no one gives a shit because they know what tusk intended and didn't completely miss the point
It's not even funny... as she would know this. Can't stand these snakes.
Seems like you choose what you want to see. If my posts are triggering and hurting your feelings, you can always put me on ignore
I think you may have something there!
No one more surprised than Farage and Boris, etc. when the result went in, they'd 'struck oil' without realising it was there! No planning however meant there was no cap for the well, no pipes to take it away and no barrels to store it. The situation was compounded however, because the genie (or oil) was out of the bottle and won't go back.
Remain (who had also done no real planning) had a golden chance to take the initiative by addressing the real reasons most leavers voted to leave, instead it chose to carry on with project fear, the 'economy stupid' which had clearly failed in the referendum and then goodness me they allowed 75 year old Vince Cable to initially lead the charge for Remaining. There were even more mistakes, allowing Tony Blair (of all people) to appear as its spokesman in Brussels.
May has made some terrible mistakes, but she has been out done by Remain leadership (if it has one now) the scattered almost routed Leave leadership suddenly realised what it was facing and instead of continuing to scurry from the battlefield, turned and started to dig in, wheeling out JRM/ERG to rally the troops and woo the electorate.
If as seems likely (unless its so much hot air) the EU stands firm, then May will have to make the final choice, leave with no deal, or call Brexit off, either way she wont be around to pick up the pieces.
The way I see it, the issue would be with so called ‘mixed’ trade deals, which require ratification by individual EU member states. In simple terms, these are trade deals that include services, intellectual property rights and other things not deemed an exclusive competence of the EU.
If the UK has an effective veto over these types of trade deals, that would be a big thing for the EU to concede. And if the UK doesn’t have a veto, then we all know it doesn’t mean anything.
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Personally think May will bow down to Corbyn's invitation, slightly altered form of the proposal he put forward is going to get accepted by the EU and will pass through UK parliament I believe. UK will have to stay within the EU Custom Union rather than Turkey's variant though as otherwise it doesn't solve Irish border issue. No-deal isn't going to happen, UK done zero preparations and they know it. The hit would be enormous at all levels no PM is going to take that kind of responsibility on their shoulders.
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Not for the EU but for member states, I mentioned it in a following post.
Sky News reporting:
- May had feck all new to offer
- Donald Tusk much more favourable towards Corbyn plan
- May had feck all new to offer
- Donald Tusk much more favourable towards Corbyn plan
The EU will never accept Corbyn's proposal nor will parliament approve it.
Why do you think EU wouldn't accept it with few modifications? I'm pretty confident it would pass through Parliament given the binary choice between a no deal and this hypothetical agreement with no time for maneuvering.
It would need a lot of modications for the reasons I pointed out earlier but parliament would be better accepting the current agreement (if they're pro-brexit) and they rejected that by a large margin and if they're anti-Brexit they should cancel it.
It's almost like 2016 revisited.
It's like Joseph Fritzl waiting all week for his turn on the prison computer only to spend his half hour emailing family reunion invitations around.
Read between the lines bud. It's not happening.
Is it possible to have a/the CU without being part of the single market and therefore FoM?
What is the downside to CU, independent trade policy?
I laughed at it yesterday - it was an honest reaction. But if the idea of joining a commonwealth with england, australia etc was floated 3 years ago I'm pretty sure I'd have reacted differently. I doubt we'd have wanted to but we'd probably still be diplomatic enough to humour the idea or politely decline as opposed to laugh in their face and tell them to feck off. So the point about Brexit doing a great deal of harm to the relationship is kind of true.
Possibly, they made a good few compromises to put May's deal together. Hard to see FoM not being an issue with the Irish border. Independent trade policy would be an issue obviously. You'd have the same trading standards, if a country was unwilling or unable to make a deal with the EU, they'd have the same issues with you. You wouldn't have much room to maneuver on trade deals.
Realistically your going to align with American or EU trade standards (or maybe China but that seems a tad unrealistic). Everyone does. It means that if you want to trade with some random third country they'll probably also be aligned with the same standards as you and it makes life easier basically. Not to mention that if you dont you've cut yourself off from the 3 largest markets in the world and ... there just isn't much left afterwards and even less once you take out all the countries willingly aligning themselves with them.
No deal brexit means a trade deal with America really.
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Bank of England's forecasts getting bleaker.
Wonder about the look on May's face after Tusk suggesting Corbyn's plan . May can't accept it of course as government would then fall to a no confidence motion.
Nothing changed still. Options are the same as December. The farce continues.
. May can't accept it of course as government would then fall to a no confidence motion. Nothing changed still. Options are the same as December. The farce continues.
Turkey is in the cu but not the single market
Norway is in single market but not the customs union
And yes inability to do your own trade deals would be one of the big drawbacks
We had the UKIP lot in 2016 , now we'll have the Corbynistas. @Sweet Square et al
Just for a start :
Second line of Corbyn's proposal
"a common external tariff" - so the UK are going to have the same external tariff as the EU - decided by the EU - slight problem there possibly - I haven't got time at this moment , will come back later