If this is true, then to quote a famous footballing term..."if he isn't interfering with play, what's he doing on the pitch"? Donald is 'front and centre' on this and future EU leaders will curse him for letting the cash cow wander out of the field.
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If this is true, then to quote a famous footballing term..."if he isn't interfering with play, what's he doing on the pitch"? Donald is 'front and centre' on this and future EU leaders will curse him for letting the cash cow wander out of the field.
Sorry, have I said something you don't like?
No the backstop isn't holding the UK 'hostage' that would be the Good Friday Agreement. And let's remember the UK signed up to uphold and protect the GFA not the EU.
Well the backstop was designed around the UK governments wishes. Also if it's removed or time limited then what protects the Good Friday Agreement if no solution to the border issue is found in the future?
Only by those who are willfully ignorant as to what the actual consequences are.
why would italicise cash cow
I'm pretty sure the Irish don't want any of this mess nor do the EU. The gerronwitit stance makes feck all sense when you don't know what you want to get on with.
Even if we ignore the fact that he has no executive power and his only the voice of the EU council aka the member states. He also isn't responsible for UK politicians and their national power struggle.
Love to but I’m not subscribing to read itTusk was right I guess...Anyone who wants to have a good laugh, the below FT article is a must. Faroe IslandsGlobal Britain, aye.
https://www.ft.com/content/7beae1d2-2a39-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
Four times and counting. Why is Tusk's reputation going down the pan. The Uk are leaving, it's the UK's choice. Tusk can't control the decisions of the British electorate.
...and those who have been force-fed Brexit by the media every day for two years-plus; they're understandably bored with it.
Idiotic, emotional reactions like this (combined with ignoring the facts) is why the UK is in this mess.
If you keep saying nasty things to our racist politicians , we'll shoot ourselves , we will, we really will.
In fairness who isn't laughing at the UK at this point? The UK government's handling of Brexit from its very inception has been objectively very funny, albeit in a rather grim way.
But surely getting the battle of Britain, 2 World Wars and 1 World Cup, Stiff upper Lip spirit going again will see you through the hardship of Brexit...................seriously wtf
Stupid fecking cow.
We can't copy and paste under the forum rules the content where subscription is required or I'm being mistaken?
- JC isn't asking to control the EU commercial policy whatsoever. However a customs union is achievable.
- true, but what JC is suggesting is not that far off and I can see him shifting to that through negotiation
- that's a given
- well it depends what the UK wants. If it wants decent access to the single market for goods then a customs union and accepting ECJ would probably be enough. If they want more then that then of course they'll have to accept the 4 freedoms
Wanting it because you're bored with it is about as willfully ignorant as it gets.
Quote: "An agreement on commercial policy that includes a UK say on future EU trade deals"
Apart from that do you seriously any of this would get through parliament.
The current agreement was widely rejected and that would be far more palatable than accepting these conditions.
Ah I didn't notice that. The EU will never accept that. However a customs union is indeed possible.
Regarding the current agreement we all know that its crap because of TM's red lines. If those red lines were to be dropped then the EU stance will change. Therefore if for JC, freedom of movement isn't necessarily hell on earth and he's willing to concede on that then I can see the EU conceding on other stuff.
Yes the stance would change if she changes the red lines, but the EU mean that if the UK stays in the CU/SM but we knew this two years ago . I keep hearing that FoM was the main reason the UK left and the second reason was sovereignty which they haven't lost.
Tusk is right, the UK has no idea what it wants other than fantasies.
Don't see what the EU could concede.
But that sentence doesn't mean much, it could be 1 of 28 says which is perfectly fine. For me what makes it ridiculous is that he is more or less offering full EU membership.
My point is that its possible to have a decent access to the single market without accepting FOM. For example Turkey has that by abiding to the customs unions while Canada's CETA removes most tariffs between the EU and Canada. However for a better deal then FOM need to be accepted. That's a red line for TM but might not be a red line for JC.
Yeah not from anyone I know. Anyone in london is pretty much praying daily that this goes away.
"The RoI left our union in 1922 after 121 years of being part of the family."
And what a family it was.
Its funny. We are an absolute laughing stock because of our stupid decisions. Yet when we are called out about our stupidity we have the same people crying about how someone called us stupid. How about the accept the reality of our mistakes?
Yes it's only a 1 in 28 say but why should they get a say. Yes it's virtually EU membership.
Not unlike Piers Morgan.
Is he clever - hell no.
All he does is to say the first stupid thing that comes into his oversized head and then keeps repeating it over and over and over again.
Unfortunately that was always the issue of people who said Brexiteers deserve a bit of pain to realise the benefits of the EU. They will just simply use that line to their grave.
Because in a custom union that includes EU and UK territories, EU member states and the UK should have a say about the rules and deals that will apply. There is no issue here, the issue is when brexiters think that the EU should count as one instead of 27, that's the scenario that is rejected and will always be rejected.
Access to the single market via a free trade agreement you mean. Turkey and Canada still have a border with the EU. Starmer has ruled out a Turkey style CU.
As I've said before ,tariff's are a problem but a non-frictionless border is a far bigger problem.
There is only one solution outside the EU and that's being in the CU/SM.
I see what you mean.
If you pay attention to what brexiteers initially wanted leaving the CU/SM wasn't as clear as they now pretend, only FOM and the fabled take back control were clear. On SM/CU, my interpretation is that they imagined a deal where the UK would have a disproportionate say as a member of both territories, when they realized that it wasn't going to happen, basically when EU leaders talked about consequences to the vote, that's when they shifted to a Hard brexit rhetoric, the hard brexit rhetoric was quickly shutdown due to the GFA and they moved to creative and technological solutions.
The issue is that the first option was effectively based on 27 countries reducing their sovereignty in favour of the UK, the second one was against the self determination of Irish people and the third one is the unicorn of all unicorns.
Yes but initially the likes of Farage, Paterson and Johnson et al were all talking about a Norway and Switzerland type relationship. They didn't think through the meaning of being of the CU/SM. They didn't consider NI either. They had never thought it through because they didn't really believe the UK would do the deed.