One, in how many years? That’s the standard we need.
24
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 23
- Clean sheets
- 7
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 1
One, in how many years? That’s the standard we need.
He was.
That was achieved by setting the bar really low. Everything above that looked like a huge improvement.
Agree on this.
People will point to the good things he has done this season but lets be honest, most keepers make the saves he makes, there is nothing special about his saves.
However; he makes way too many mistakes, you cannot keep making basic errors that cost points over and over again. People will point to Ipswich but that is the keeper's job. Put any keeper, a U18 and he will make saves too.
What we need is someone who can concentrate, and not make silly errors.
Imo he was equally dodgy, basics looked completely off. I'd say he's been very good so far this season though.
What's more plausible. An experienced professional footballer spends an entire season with his "basics completely off" only to rediscover those basics over the summer?
Or an experienced professional footballer who made a few bad errors in his opening few months at a new club, resulting in numerous football fans deciding he was fundamentally flawed and couldn't possibly be competent. Only to reluctantly change their opinion after several months of solid performances without any glaring errors?
Confidence can do a lot of things to players.
Yes, probably more than 12 months to be honest. Ended amongst the league's best keepers last season, this season until that clanger he's arguably been the best in the whole league because we've been awful (even after that game, he is 2nd best in the league for PSxG)
It's creative use of stats.
As in reading them? Yes usually helps when discussing them.
He was good second half, but very good is a stretch. I’d argue he’s been very good this season. Secobd half of last season were still a case of him letting in shots that you would expect the best goalies to make. His reach simply isn’t the best, and there have been legitimate concerns about his technique on low shots; many ex-pro goalies and goalie-coaches have been critical of his positioning.
It is. From what I understan, save stats are accumulated, so having many shots faced is an advantage on those stats.
I think the main thing about last season is that Onana generally was good/very good in the league but was shocking elsewhere. Overall he was about average last season.
This season he's been proper great though. Everyone makes mistakes, if they happen this rarely it's not a problem.
This season he's been proper great though. Everyone makes mistakes, if they happen this rarely it's not a problem.
I’m taking it you have no actual response? You’re just boosting a source, the same source that proves he been very good?
@Rossa it does so maybe check out the stats, it takes a few seconds? No1 on the list for total saves is Hermansen, who has faced the 2nd most shots, Onana is 2nd but has faced the 11th most in the league.
Not sure how that disputes my point? If you face 20 shots per game, each from a poor position with an Xg of 0,2, you still get a very high xgc. The other issue is that as several articles point out, another issue with xgc being accumulated is that it doesn't factor in the rest of the team. Lloris went from one of the best in terms of xgc to one of the worst, to much improved. The reason was mostly down to playing style - a high line meant he had far fewer shots to save, but the ones that he had to make were very difficult, often one on ones, which one would not expect him to save, but due to them being accumulated, he finished the season with a low xgc. Subsequently, facing 20-25 poor-ish shots every match can provide you with an infalted xgc.
I'm absolutely not a statistician, and thus I do not pretend to know how these things work all that well, and use of stats is quite advanced and multi faceted. Context is very important when discussing stats. Saying that Onana had a very good Spring last season is a stretch - he was good, but still he lacked reach and let in goals that you would expect the best goalies to save. This was further discussed by goalie coaches and ex-pros. This season, he's been very good. One game doesn't change that. One of the best goalies of all time, Schmeichel made some huge blunders - it's how you bounce back.
Brother, you literally said ‘many shots faced is an advantage’ so I pointed out he’s 2nd but without lots of shots faced.
Re this new line of argument, refer back to the original stat which calculates the xG of the shot? All GKs are measured in the same way, he’s coming out on top of nearly everyone.
Re your personal opinion re technique etc. - the stats would disagree but you can think it if you like. Maybe consider however, that if you think Onana had such fundamental flaws yet still outperformed the majority of other GKs you’re likely just not watching every teams other games and are assessing him in a bubble. Many goals people can argue might have been saved - last night for example he’d likely be blamed by some of you for both WHUM goals. Stats are a great equaliser, so either Onana lets easy goals but then boosts his stats with miraculous saves weekly to score so high. Or you’re just incorrect.
This sesaon Onana has been very good.
He does have some strange techniques. If you look at goals conceded there are a fair few of them low to the ground that he let's in close to his body, and it goes underneath him. Those should always be saved. When that is a recurring theme as it was last season, there is a technique issue - as was pointed out by several ex-pros. So it's not my personal opinion. It's that of many. Also, his positioning letting shots in on his near post is also an issue, or was last season. I haven't seen it this season, so maybe it has been coached out of him? His technique of going off the ground for low shots is something I've rarely seen before, which has been criticized by Schmeichel, Foster etc etc.
Yh I remember but you’ve ignored my response. You’re pointing out a flaw that seems pretty fundamental and yet how is he not low on all the stats?
Do United keepers get more scrutiny? Do United related posts get more clicks? Schmeichel wasn’t exactly orthodox, he let in some absolute stinkers in between the brilliance.
I have to laugh at the idea a professional GK had such a fundamental flaw that didn’t show itself in any stats ‘coached out of them’ miraculously. It’s vastly more likely he’s simply no different to every keeper, some shots they should/could save but because he plays for United everything is magnified.
He didnt jump away, it was headed towards his leg but then curved off the his left at the last second and he was unable to adjust himself to save it
That just isnt true, the only thing he did wrong was comitted to going to his right to early on the 2nd goal then as a result was unable to adjust himself to save it when it randomly curved off to his left at the last second.
He was in anyway at fault for the Woods goal, that was down to Martinez failing to make a simple clearance on the line.
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He really reminds me of Barthez in certain situations...
Onana back to factory reset.
Only player in squad who'll never be dropped no matter how shit he plays.
Brain the size of a pea. Imp§roved so much this season but always a stupid mistake waiting to happen.
Don't rate him
Just not sure how you can ever move forward with a guy that will single-handedly lose you the odd match in net. It’s the one position where you can’t afford terrible mistakes because there’s no one behind to bail you out
Onana has clearly been rattled by what happened at Arsenal. Up until that point he was good. Since then its been hard to understand what the hell is going through his head. Its like he malfunctioned in the build up for their goal. Needs to get his head screwed on properly.
Not sure I'd blame him too much for the pass.
Onana wanted De Ligt to come towards him for the ball, De Ligt is on his heels and gets caught. If De Ligt is ready he can get that ball and pop it across to the right back first time.
Onana wanted De Ligt to come towards him for the ball, De Ligt is on his heels and gets caught. If De Ligt is ready he can get that ball and pop it across to the right back first time.
I wouldn't blame him at all for the goal. It's completely on De Ligt.
But Onana did invite pressure on himself to begin with.
He always invites pressure.
They showed it on TV what I posted.
But also actually pointed out the pass from Martinez is poor and slow, which means he gets closed down quicker, so he didn't have the option to turn and play out right straight away.
They also show him telling De Ligt to come in for the ball, so he's done his bit there. De Ligt was on his heels and got robbed. Onana's not done much wrong there for me.
Reading through this makes me feel like I'm in the twilight zone or something.
I cannot believe how many of you are defending Onana. The issue isn't even just the mistakes. He has absolutely no idea how to be a goalkeeper. He doesn't know where to stand, he has dog slow reactions and has 0 awareness of what a keeper should be doing at any given moment in time. That's apparent, even when he's playing well!
Throw in the mistakes on top of that, you have one of the all round worst goalkeepers in the world. It absolutely blows my mind how you could watch him play every week and not think he's absolutely shocking
I cannot believe how many of you are defending Onana. The issue isn't even just the mistakes. He has absolutely no idea how to be a goalkeeper. He doesn't know where to stand, he has dog slow reactions and has 0 awareness of what a keeper should be doing at any given moment in time. That's apparent, even when he's playing well!
Throw in the mistakes on top of that, you have one of the all round worst goalkeepers in the world. It absolutely blows my mind how you could watch him play every week and not think he's absolutely shocking
Do we still have a buy back clause for Kovar ?? Seems to be back to his worst.
The worry is that good form was just brief, and this is his level.
The worry is that good form was just brief, and this is his level.
Na. Even during his "good form", watch his positioning, technique and reaction times. Its like he dives in slow motion, its genuinely impressive
He’s a funny one.
Had a couple of shaky games.
This is probably enough, and I feel the same.
There’s no need for the constant “hot takes” which lean heavily on hyperbole. I just don’t rate him as a goalkeeper and I can’t see a future in which he eradicates his mistakes. Yet another in the “needs to be upgraded” pile.
He better not start losing confidence again. Shocking game today from minute 1, and this is the second game back to back. Needs a strong performance against City
I backed him yesterday after one shit game and pointed out that he has been one of the most solid keepers for the last ten months. I have to stand up to that he had another mare today. Looks like he was overzealous and uncertain at the same time.