[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Forget the mistakes but does anyone think that the reason we are poor from set pieces is because of Onana?

He doesnt really control his box. He has no idea when to come off his line, he cant grab the ball, he doesnt jump and he usually found ball watching both on shots and crosses.

I think the whole "he isnt a big enough of a Problem to be replaced yet" mindset needs to change.

We let in so many set piece goals that we need a more dominant goalkeeper; if you add on mistakes on top of that then Onana becomes one of the first names we need to replace.

It's a position we should target this summer.

 

[redshaw]

Forget the mistakes but does anyone think that the reason we are poor from set pieces is because of Onana?

He doesnt really control his box. He has no idea when to come off his line, he cant grab the ball, he doesnt jump and he usually found ball watching both on shots and crosses.

I think the whole "he isnt a big enough of a Problem to be replaced yet" mindset needs to change.

We let in so many set piece goals that we need a more dominant goalkeeper; if you add on mistakes on top of that then Onana becomes one of the first names we need to replace.

It's a position we should target this summer.

Yes I think so. In a well drilled side I'm sure he'd be useful like saw at Inter but he's not really settled and we look even more vulnerable since he joined and has carried on. Too many times a standard PL team has had 2-3 shots and it's 2-3 goals with errors of his or just looking slow and unsure.

We need a fitter more agile keeper.

 

[sglowrider]

Bottom line: he ain't good enough for where we need to get to.

 

[Longlivekeano]

Goalkeeping 101. Balls into the 6 yard box should be claimed, dealt with by goalie. My son is a 15 year youth club footballer with only 2 years of goalkeeping experience and that has been drilled into him since Day 1

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Forget the mistakes but does anyone think that the reason we are poor from set pieces is because of Onana?

He doesnt really control his box. He has no idea when to come off his line, he cant grab the ball, he doesnt jump and he usually found ball watching both on shots and crosses.

I think the whole "he isnt a big enough of a Problem to be replaced yet" mindset needs to change.

We let in so many set piece goals that we need a more dominant goalkeeper; if you add on mistakes on top of that then Onana becomes one of the first names we need to replace.

It's a position we should target this summer.

Yes, it's a major factor. I remember when he first started, he was quite aggressive at coming out for crosses, even to the point that he should have conceded a penalty in his first league game v Wolves when he clattered a wolves player.

But I remember saying at the time on here, notwithstanding that, I loved that aggression in coming out for the ball.

But now he's just rooted to the spot for everything.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Bottom line: he ain't good enough for where we need to get to.

He's barely good enough for where we are now

 

[Red_toad]

Goalkeeping 101. Balls into the 6 yard box should be claimed, dealt with by goalie. My son is a 15 year youth club footballer with only 2 years of goalkeeping experience and that has been drilled into him since Day 1

Maybe after a season in the premier league, you could compare his experiences. Since those issues where he cleaned out players he’s been poor, much like Casemiro and his red cards.
Have to say Onana was great v Southampton and terrible against Brighton. But that’s how he works, I’ve no idea if there’s a solution.

 

[Lyng]

How anyone can blame Onana for this is beyond me, Dalot and Mazroaui are at fault

Lets be real. If that was De Gea the thread would be full of moans about him being glued to his line. Onana is caught dithering, seemingly confused as to where he should be. This happens way to often. He is not solely to blame here, which he definately is for the third goal, but he could do more.

 

[Tallis]

How anyone can blame Onana for this is beyond me, Dalot and Mazroaui are at fault

I only blame Onana for the 3rd. The 2nd should be Dalot and first is Maz.

 

[Foolsgold21]

Had enough chances - needs to be moved on in the summer.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Why does he have to make a huge mistake every few games?

 

[Mullet_Man]

Only we could spunk 50mil on a keeper and he not be any good.

Nearly 2 years in and I haven't been impressed with his distribution it's no way near the likes of Ederson.

Not to mention the growing number of mistakes.

 

[Marwood]

Forget the mistakes but does anyone think that the reason we are poor from set pieces is because of Onana?

He doesnt really control his box. He has no idea when to come off his line, he cant grab the ball, he doesnt jump and he usually found ball watching both on shots and crosses.

I think the whole "he isnt a big enough of a Problem to be replaced yet" mindset needs to change.

We let in so many set piece goals that we need a more dominant goalkeeper; if you add on mistakes on top of that then Onana becomes one of the first names we need to replace.

It's a position we should target this summer.

Definitely. I said that after the Arsenal game where he didn't help out at all with the set pieces.

 

[ThanksBoss26]

Forget the mistakes but does anyone think that the reason we are poor from set pieces is because of Onana?

He doesnt really control his box. He has no idea when to come off his line, he cant grab the ball, he doesnt jump and he usually found ball watching both on shots and crosses.

I think the whole "he isnt a big enough of a Problem to be replaced yet" mindset needs to change.

We let in so many set piece goals that we need a more dominant goalkeeper; if you add on mistakes on top of that then Onana becomes one of the first names we need to replace.

It's a position we should target this summer.

100%

 

[Lyng]

Forget the mistakes but does anyone think that the reason we are poor from set pieces is because of Onana?

He doesnt really control his box. He has no idea when to come off his line, he cant grab the ball, he doesnt jump and he usually found ball watching both on shots and crosses.

I think the whole "he isnt a big enough of a Problem to be replaced yet" mindset needs to change.

We let in so many set piece goals that we need a more dominant goalkeeper; if you add on mistakes on top of that then Onana becomes one of the first names we need to replace.

It's a position we should target this summer.

Compare how we coped with corners and crosses in our two matches against Arsenal. Bayindir is not a great keeper at all, yet we looked much more composed and in control of set pieces vs Arsenal in that match.
Sadly we need to upgrade on our keeper already.

 

[reelworld]

Fergie binned Tim Howard for much less than what Onana has been serving up all season. He needs to go

 

[HackeyC]

Fergie binned Tim Howard for much less than what Onana has been serving up all season. He needs to go

Bingo!

 

[Idxomer]

Lets be real. If that was De Gea the thread would be full of moans about him being glued to his line. Onana is caught dithering, seemingly confused as to where he should be. This happens way to often. He is not solely to blame here, which he definately is for the third goal, but he could do more.

He has very little ability to react quickly to unpredictable situations, the ball had a bit of a spin on it and he didn't know what to do. It's also one of the reasons any deflected ball is pretty much a guaranteed goal whether it's close to him or not. You can go back to the Europa League final 8 years ago to see he always had that problem.

 

[Lay]

I think he will be moved on in the summer. There were signs of improvement but the old Onana is back

 

[Denis' cuff]

Got rid of one gk who wouldn’t come off his line, took an eternity to distribute the ball and dropped a Clanger every week.

Replaced him with a replica.

 

[hellhunter]

I think he will be moved on in the summer. There were signs of improvement but the old Onana is back

I'm not sure he'll attract much interest, it won't be easy to move him on

 

[Oranges038]

Dalot isn’t the problem

Shaw is the problem

Malacia is the problem

Our former CEO handing out contracts was the problem

Dalot is playing out of position

It's nothing to do with being played out of position, putting a player on their weak foot or close down the angle for the cross is basic fullback play. He does neither, ever.

But how should Onana be claiming it when its nowhere near him?

It drifts across the box a few feet in front of him. If he's ready to react, he can claim that quite easily.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He has no authority. Doesn’t dominate the box aerially allowing everyone to frighten us from crosses and set pieces and his handling has always been crap. Sell him asap.

 

[Andy_Cole]

A great keeper isn’t one that looks like superman every odd game. Brad Friedal did this.

A great keeper isn’t one that never makes mistakes. Is calm, consistent. See Van der Saar.

 

[Vaibhav Raj]

I had reservations about him and his goalkeeping technique. But, for a few matches, he did look like he would be all right. Now, I cant help but think that he will continue to look good in few matches and keep costing us big time in other few. Like our other average players.

 

[McGrathsipan]

How? He would've got nowhere near it

it sailed across his nose - just dive and punch it.

Anyway - that debate aside he isnt a top keeper - he has his moments but his mistakes, his fugging holwers, are too common and almost expected.
When other issues are sorted he needs to be be gone

 

[UpWithRivers]

Only United let a keeper that played in the same club as our manager go for free to Inter then buy him for 45 mill a year later and that keeper is sht. Everything we do is compounded in sht. Watch us send him back to Inter or Ajax on a loan and pay his wages. You couldn't make this sht up

 

[Licha-Vidic]

He didnt cost us the game, claiming he did is just silly

Explain this

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Too many mistakes.

There are a lot of bad eggs in this set up, but it must be near enough impossible to dig deep and find a way out of the hole when you know deep down your mate between the sticks is averaging at least one significant error leading to goal per month.

Goalkeepers make mistakes, it’s part and parcel of the game, but 17 errors leading to goals in less than 18 months is ridiculous.

I was fed up with him after the CL performances last season and I recognise you can’t just shelve a €55m first teamer on a whim, but the reality is that Andre Onana has to be replaced. It’s too far gone now.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Explain this

It's awful - probably his worst error given how weird it is - but point stands from that poster this specifically didn't lose us the game. We were comfortably second best and our only chance was a penalty.

 

[sebsheep]

He's not a bad keeper, he's just too wildly inconsistent for a serious team. These errors come in big games too like the CL and FA Cup final. If you ignore red flags they will come when you least need them. Don't know if true but I read even Karius was having a great season before the CL final. It's also the same thing De Gea got cooked for and he was rightly binned. If anything the criticism is just people being unbiased.

Thinking he makes too many errors is an opinion I can understand, it's the overreacting I was pointing out. It was only a few days ago he had a very good game and he's had a very good season.

It’s a unique position. You can’t have many mistakes in you. It’s better to always nail the basics and not be spectacular than to have spectacular games and drop clangers sometimes.

I’m not in the “he’s the worst keeper ever” camp, but he makes me nervous, and I think it’s fair to wonder if the players in front of him feel the same.

Onana's performances have been more consistent than the defenders Infront of him though. If the defence were nervous about him then you'd expect them to be trying to compensate, but I don't see them doing that.

 

[Red00012]

We need 2 goalkeepers , neither are good enough

 

[RedRocket9908]

Explain this

Yes that was a bad mistake but it didint cost us anything as the game was already lost at that point due to the fact we couldnt even manage a single shot on target other than the penalty.

 

[Oranges038]

Too many mistakes.

There are a lot of bad eggs in this set up, but it must be near enough impossible to dig deep and find a way out of the hole when you know deep down your mate between the sticks is averaging at least one significant error leading to goal per month.

Goalkeepers make mistakes, it’s part and parcel of the game, but 17 errors leading to goals in less than 18 months is ridiculous.

I was fed up with him after the CL performances last season and I recognise you can’t just shelve a €55m first teamer on a whim, but the reality is that Andre Onana has to be replaced. It’s too far gone now.

I've defended, but the 2nd and 3rd goal yesterday were inexcusable, should be claiming the cross for the 2nd and whatever he did for the 3rd is beyond comprehension.

I'm done with him, it's that sort of performance where you know deep down he really doesn't give a shit.

Out of interest, the PL website/Opta has him at only 3 errors in the PL.

Where's the other 14 coming from?

 

[Red71]

Yes that was a bad mistake but it didint cost us anything as the game was already lost at that point due to the fact we couldnt even manage a single shot on target other than the penalty.

I think it’s admirable that you’re defending Onana but if you’ve ever played football at any level, you’ll know deep down how demoralizing it is to have a goalie behind you who doesn’t command his area and (worse still) always seems capable of the ridiculous.

You’d like to think that players have the mental strength to wipe it away and go about their business regardless but it’s just not that easy. We differ on whether that 2nd goal could have been dealt with by Onana but I certainly think he should have done much better. They were both so soft, particularly that 3rd one, that I think it would have knocked the stuffing out of a team with fragile confidence already. It is of course all about opinions and the nature of those goals has in my view cost us any chance of getting back into the game.

What do we think Fergie would have done after witnessing a season and a half of Onana?

 

[WhatIsLove]

Rumours he's been dropped...



...on his head as a baby. That's why his decisions don't make sense.

 

[Vidooq]

Yes that was a bad mistake but it didint cost us anything as the game was already lost at that point due to the fact we couldnt even manage a single shot on target other than the penalty.

It was 1-2 when he made the mistake, not 1-4. I don't get this shot on target discussion. Brighton scored with all their shots on target, 3/3. It's not Onana's job to decide when a game is finished. However, that mistake cemented the game.

 

[Tiber]

We all knew he was signed for his passing rather than his ability as a goalkeeper. But has this vaunted passing ever actually made any difference?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I've defended, but the 2nd and 3rd goal yesterday were inexcusable, should be claiming the cross for the 2nd and whatever he did for the 3rd is beyond comprehension.

I'm done with him, it's that sort of performance where you know deep down he really doesn't give a shit.

Out of interest, the PL website/Opta has him at only 3 errors in the PL.

Where's the other 14 coming from?

I think it would be this one, Forest at home this season and last season when he punched a bloke in the head (the time they did give it as a penalty) or the Wolves corner concede (though not sure they'd class that as an error)

It's difficult because a) He had all those Champions League gaffs (I think there were 3 direct blunders and about 3 "He should have done better incidents") and b) He has loads of those "He's not directly at fault, but he could have done better moments" (like the 2nd goal yesterday)

 

[Oranges038]

I think it would be this one, Forest at home this season and last season when he punched a bloke in the head (the time they did give it as a penalty) or the Wolves corner concede (though not sure they'd class that as an error)

It's difficult because a) He had all those Champions League gaffs (I think there were 3 direct blunders and about 3 "He should have done better incidents") and b) He has loads of those "He's not directly at fault, but he could have done better moments" (like the 2nd goal yesterday)

I look at Spurs second goal yesterday as similar to Brighton's, decent ball in, but it's dropping in a very claimable area, keeper should be dealing with it. We saw a lot of those with DDG as well. Not direct errors, but should do better moments.

When you look around the league, there's lots of goals that go in, where a keeper could and maybe should have done better. There's just no way to measure it properly, because in every situation the keepers view, stance, anticipation, concentration levels etc are all different. And these are all massive variables that determine whether or not a shot is saved or a cross is claimed. Similarly with all those goals where Onana has just let it squirm under him or just missed it etc.

I've tried to defend him, but I think I'm just done with him now. He was decent vs Liverpool and very good midweek vs Southampton, but that yesterday is just shocking, 3 decent results on the spin and any confidence the defence or manager had in him is just gone.