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Thinks the caf is 'wokeish'.
People will start to recognise that he’s our best player by the time the season ends.
He’s that good.
Think that was obvious even last season... certainly in terms of talent
People will start to recognise that he’s our best player by the time the season ends.
He’s that good.
I don't think he's the quickest player in our team, I'm pretty sure that Rashford, Højlund and Garnacho would beat him in a footrace without breaking a sweat. It's the combination of an above average pace, great acceleration (both of which is something that he became significantly better at over the past few seasons) with incredible intensity and, most importantly, game intelligence. He knows exactly when to sprint and which trajectory to choose — even when he's pressing he often switches direction slightly multiple times which makes it even harder for the opponent to avoid him.
I think you're overrating Garnacho's pace a bit. I'd say he's closer to Amad's pace than the other three you name. I think Yoro and probably Ugarte are faster as well.Depends on how you define quickest. In a five yard race, I think Antony might actually edge it, then Amad. In terms of top speed, probably Højlund, Rashford and Dalot with Garnacho quite close. We aren't stacked with very fast players like we once were.
Ugarte looks surprisingly fast - high frequency in those legs. Quite a physical leap from when he arrived and looked rather sluggish.I think you're overrating Garnacho's pace a bit. I'd say he's closer to Amad's pace than the other three you name. I think Yoro and probably Ugarte are faster as well.
Teams will double up on him soon enough and the others will need to make better use of their space and time.People will start to recognise that he’s our best player by the time the season ends.
He’s that good.
Think that was obvious even last season... certainly in terms of talent
And another! Just incredibleWhat really amazes me is how well he reads his opponent.
I’ve lost count of him robbing his man/winning so many 50/50s and basically reading where the ball is going to go or what his fullback is going to do.
He’s deceptively fast as well when applying pressure.
you never know, Forster might have Glaucoma?The bolded bit is a bit far fetched!
Why has he been sidelined in this club for so long? Quality player, loads of room to improve, delivers in big games.
Why has he been sidelined in this club for so long? Quality player, loads of room to improve, delivers in big games.
I'm sorry but if you play Mazraoui at 10 ahead of him, then you don't rate the kidThe boring, true answer is that he had a very successful spell on loan at Sunderland then his first season back at United after that was badly disrupted by a serious injury in pre-season.
But the caf seems to want to go with a narrative that our evil former manager did everything in his power to ruin Amad’s career and sabotage his own in the process.
You can take your pick. It doesn’t actually matter now anyway.
It’s true that we have quite a few players wothout the nous or timing for defensive duels. That said, being able to press consistently on touch in games is not as basic to master as it his to have learned or heard about - based on the evidence of how many times each game elite professionals with thousands of coaching hours don’t exploit it.
The boring, true answer is that he had a very successful spell on loan at Sunderland then his first season back at United after that was badly disrupted by a serious injury in pre-season.
But the caf seems to want to go with a narrative that our evil former manager did everything in his power to ruin Amad’s career and sabotage his own in the process.
You can take your pick. It doesn’t actually matter now anyway.
He refuses to accept anything other than “Amads path was perfectly fine for development” so it’s pointless to bring up contrary evidence.I'm sorry but if you play Mazraoui at 10 ahead of him, then you don't rate the kid
The boring, true answer is that he had a very successful spell on loan at Sunderland then his first season back at United after that was badly disrupted by a serious injury in pre-season.
But the caf seems to want to go with a narrative that our evil former manager did everything in his power to ruin Amad’s career and sabotage his own in the process.
You can take your pick. It doesn’t actually matter now anyway.
There are some different themes here. Why don’t a lot of footballers use a simple basic concept (press on touch)? What is your take on it? Is it a simple, but little know concept? Are there too many basic concepts in football for even professionals to learn all of them? Are five-a-side youth footballers simply better and smarter than pro footballers? Is pro football so hectic and taxing on the brain that it’s difficult to apply even basic concepts there? What do you think? I think it’s a mix of all of the above, maybe apart from the 5-aside-players optionThere's a middle ground between 'master of pressing on touch' and 'whatever the Utd players' are doing, which is my point. It's a basic concept that can immediately improve your timing of duels if they were made aware of it. I refuse to believe it's complicated or something they can't learn but then I will say that about other things like being smart at 'winning' aerials and our idiotic approach under many managers where we would often concede many counter attacks on corners. For the first one I will say look at Martinez, where if you aren't blessed with height or strength then your approach is not necessarily winning the ball but doing enough to affect the other player to not let them direct the ball at ease. Then secondly, why the hell are we always trying to win the first ball/header on our corners and everyone going for it at the same time. We often lose the first, second and third ball and our players are then already committed in their box; the simple solution would be to have secondary runs and more players on the edge of the box. These aren't alien concepts.
I love me some 15/16 Martial, but his best was 19/20 imo, where he turned into the complete modern #9 with elite link-up, hold up and finishing. That version of him with Amad would be utterly unplayable, you could almost throw in any other relatively competent player to finish up the front three as they would always have bags of space from the attention of the former duo.15/16 Martial was liquid man. Probably my favorite single profile of a player we’ve had post SAF. Just rinsed fullbacks for fun with elite dribbling and creation while still being a quality finisher too. Unfortunately had to play in that abomination of a side.
Him and Amad would be recreating Barca level tiki taka here.
I love me some 15/16 Martial, but his best was 19/20 imo, where he turned into the complete modern #9 with elite link-up, hold up and finishing. That version of him with Amad would be utterly unplayable, you could almost throw in any other relatively competent player to finish up the front three as they would always have bags of space from the attention of the former duo.
Just for the fun of it to finish this thought experiment, my unpopular opinion of an interesting Amorim type front three with Amad and 19/20 Anto.
Martial
Mkhitaryan Amad
I love me some 15/16 Martial, but his best was 19/20 imo, where he turned into the complete modern #9 with elite link-up, hold up and finishing. That version of him with Amad would be utterly unplayable, you could almost throw in any other relatively competent player to finish up the front three as they would always have bags of space from the attention of the former duo.
Just for the fun of it to finish this thought experiment, my unpopular opinion of an interesting Amorim type front three with Amad and 19/20 Anto.
Martial
Mkhitaryan Amad
Problem with that — Juan was a leftie too! Maybe you could do Amad RWB and Mata right no.10. Could work.Juan in his prime instead of Mikhi at #10 and it would be gold.
Or simply play Bruno, out best 10 by a great margin, next to Amad. Bruno, Amad and prime Martial would’ve been fun!Problem with that — Juan was a leftie too! Maybe you could do Amad RWB and Mata right no.10. Could work.
Teams will double up on him soon enough and the others will need to make better use of their space and time.
Yeah his 2019-20 season is quite underrated, IMO.Oh I agree 19/20 was the best version of him, was moreso just saying his 15/16 version was more "fun" with how absurd he was on the ball. But I still say 19/20 Martial is the best striker we've had since RVP in the title season.
There are some different themes here. Why don’t a lot of footballers use a simple basic concept (press on touch)? What is your take on it? Is it a simple, but little know concept? Are there too many basic concepts in football for even professionals to learn all of them? Are five-a-side youth footballers simply better and smarter than pro footballers? Is pro football so hectic and taxing on the brain that it’s difficult to apply even basic concepts there? What do you think? I think it’s a mix of all of the above, maybe apart from the 5-aside-players option
When it comes to United specifically, I note that when the team struggled under Mourinho, it looked as if basic abilities were missing with many. Likewise when we struggled under Solskjær, Rangnick, Ten Hag, and now the errors made in defense under Amorim are mostly individual errors you see more commonly in amateur and kids football. So I think a combination of ‘much-new-stuff-to-think-about’, ‘few-milliseconds-to-think-about-it’, and uncertainty/inconfidence-due-in-large-part-to-the-above make even seasoned professional footballers forget kids concepts like watch your man when marking, protect the keeper on corner kicks, don’t set an offside trap when passer is not pressured Etc etc easily go out the window.
The boring, true answer is that he had a very successful spell on loan at Sunderland then his first season back at United after that was badly disrupted by a serious injury in pre-season.
But the caf seems to want to go with a narrative that our evil former manager did everything in his power to ruin Amad’s career and sabotage his own in the process.
You can take your pick. It doesn’t actually matter now anyway.
Didn't play a single match for full 90 last season despite being match fit half way through the season in Dec 30, and didn't get a start until May when everything was done and dusted anyways.The boring, true answer is that he had a very successful spell on loan at Sunderland then his first season back at United after that was badly disrupted by a serious injury in pre-season.
But the caf seems to want to go with a narrative that our evil former manager did everything in his power to ruin Amad’s career and sabotage his own in the process.
You can take your pick. It doesn’t actually matter now anyway.
Only issue is them both being left footers.Juan in his prime instead of Mikhi at #10 and it would be gold.
Okay I get you, yea he was scintillating on the ball in 15/26 without question, and also we had the biggest high as a team then. That injury time winner in the FA Cup semi and the way we went on to win the cup, the feelings still seem vivid. For sure man, so sad we had such a player in the club's most turbulent time.Oh I agree 19/20 was the best version of him, was moreso just saying his 15/16 version was more "fun" with how absurd he was on the ball. But I still say 19/20 Martial is the best striker we've had since RVP in the title season.
One of the most absurd moments yesterday was him winning a header against 1.88m Archie Gray.
What's really promising about him is that he's delivering these performances while I don't think he has put all the pieces together yet. We see it in moves where the execution betrays him just slightly and you think with more experience, he turns those moves into far more dangerous situations. Barring any significant injuries, I believe he has another level in him.
It's been litigated to death but, again, he was fully fit and able to play from late Dec until the end of the season yet didn't start a match until May. Was an unused sub for 5 games after his winner against Liverpool saved ETH's ass. And this is all in a team that was comically bad going forward.So true, I'm tired of pointed out the kid missed 27 matches last season due to being injured.
But the urge to bash EtH is just too satisfying for some.
And then this season the same manager chose to use Mazraoui as a 10 over him. None of this is "made up" or "bashing ETH"
Personally I was intrigued to see Mazraoui further up front as he is a talented player. It was an experiment that was used for 1 match, can't even remember if he played there for the full 90 minutes?
But with your logic I guess EtH hated all the attackers in the club when he choose to play a full back in an attacking role 'once'. But that's for another thread, the EtH bashing is still very much alive and kicking on the Cafe, but we can disagree on that point no problem.
Amad's time has arrived now! I choose to believe that is the natural course of his development, and I hope what we are seeing is a genuine talent and not just someone having a purple patch.
Hyperbolic nonsense - that’s not his logic, that’s you straw manning him.
Just because a poster is using evidence to demonstrate how Ten Hag under utilized one of our most exciting attacking prospects even when he was fit, does not mean the same poster is “logically” claiming ETH hated all the attackers in the club. Why don’t you address the specific points he made instead of making up nonsense?
As for the Ten Hag bashing, he took us to record breakingly bad performances and results in both Europe and the PL. Then he was rightly fired for his inability to get the team performing, despite years of patience and £600 million spent. Are you really surprised that a manager who performed so poorly gets bashed on a football forum?