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I really think that it was ETH's way of signalling to the board: 'go on then, feckin sack me and give me my millions. I have so lost the plot. Sack meee!!!
Yeah nah... it was as simple as him being a stubborn fool

I've been listening to a Norwegian MU podcast. Where they mentioned that ETH didn't like or trust Amass because he wasn't physically big enough, I really think that was the case with Amad as well.
 
A very good performance yesterday in what was largely a sea of mediocrity.
Still gives the ball away and makes some strange decisions at times (should never be offside as often as he was yesterday, especially when looking across the line) but is certainly a threat when the ball is at his feet.

Seems to link up well with Bruno on that role too which is great to see.
 
I really think that it was ETH's way of signalling to the board: 'go on then, feckin sack me and give me my millions. I have so lost the plot. Sack meee!!!
I reckon it was more trying to show Amad who’s the boss here. For some reason (probably something he hated about Amad behind the scenes, maybe he said something wrong or just simply did not have the right character that ETH looked for in a player) he had him on a really short leash and he was always a bad performance away from being permanently glued to the bench. Even when he was playing, knowing that the minute you do something wrong you will be on the hook was not really conducive to his development, especially as a winger where he should be encouraged to be bold.
 
I really think that it was ETH's way of signalling to the board: 'go on then, feckin sack me and give me my millions. I have so lost the plot. Sack meee!!!
I don't believe that happens, personally, at least not as often as people claim it does. I think managers just become desperate when things go bad, a sort of fog descends, and that's what leads them to making crazy choices.

Ultimately, that money was already his from the moment his signed the contract. There's no real incentive to looking to get sacked. The only thing he would achieve by fecking this up, would be to look like a complete fool and jeopardise the rest of his career which he had been meticulously building until that point. This is the type of stuff that only an unstable, irritable character like Conte would do.
 
This kid has incredible dribbling skills. He can become the new face of united.
 
Potential as the right sided #10 is huge, potential as the RWB is huge, hes also our hardest worker in the team. Delighted with him under Amorim
 
Yeah nah... it was as simple as him being a stubborn fool

I've been listening to a Norwegian MU podcast. Where they mentioned that ETH didn't like or trust Amass because he wasn't physically big enough, I really think that was the case with Amad as well.
Garnacho’s a twig too though
 
And credit to Ole for signing him. Had to get game time elsewhere but came back fighting. One of the first names on the team sheet now

Ole was absolutely bemused when we signed him. Ole was asked if he wanted him. He said yes thinking it was for the academy, then the club spent £40 million on him as if he was first team ready. Think the source was The Athletic
 
Yeah nah... it was as simple as him being a stubborn fool

I've been listening to a Norwegian MU podcast. Where they mentioned that ETH didn't like or trust Amass because he wasn't physically big enough, I really think that was the case with Amad as well.
I think a lot of managers, pundits and fans in general fall into this trap. Yes he's short and you wouldn't bet on him in a fight but Amad has tenaciousness and intelligence which can make up for a lot. We've seen the likes of Scholes, Silva, Silva and Mata absolutely destroy this league and they're basically the same midge archetype. Once Amad grows into his man body and puts on some muscle he'll be even more dangerous. Look at Cristianos physical transformation from teen to adult for an example of possibilities.
 
ETH practically wasted a year of this kid's career. It was obvious a long time ago that Amad is a top notch talent. ETH favored Antony and whoever there was available over him.
 
We aren’t really in danger of losing him either, I expect it will be a few years before we can become genuine contenders so we need to be able to fend off interest from the bigger clubs when it comes to our best players, and right now Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern are all very well stocked in the RF position, and there’s no way we lose him to Liverpool or City.
 
I think a lot of managers, pundits and fans in general fall into this trap. Yes he's short and you wouldn't bet on him in a fight but Amad has tenaciousness and intelligence which can make up for a lot. We've seen the likes of Scholes, Silva, Silva and Mata absolutely destroy this league and they're basically the same midge archetype. Once Amad grows into his man body and puts on some muscle he'll be even more dangerous. Look at Cristianos physical transformation from teen to adult for an example of possibilities.
It really is a old school way of looking at players, but also wrong. As you mentioned with the players you listed, size shouldn't matter. But also Amad has such a tenacity and work rate that it seems to actually work for him, despite his height. I'm just glad he's finally getting to show how good he is.
 
Ole was absolutely bemused when we signed him. Ole was asked if he wanted him. He said yes thinking it was for the academy, then the club spent £40 million on him as if he was first team ready. Think the source was The Athletic

Yeah this was a Murtough/club signing. I'm convinced we've always had competent people working at the club who've been hammered for the failures of incompetent managers.
 
Ole was absolutely bemused when we signed him. Ole was asked if he wanted him. He said yes thinking it was for the academy, then the club spent £40 million on him as if he was first team ready. Think the source was The Athletic
Wasn't it more like 17m upfront?
 
What really amazes me is how well he reads his opponent.

I’ve lost count of him robbing his man/winning so many 50/50s and basically reading where the ball is going to go or what his fullback is going to do.

He’s deceptively fast as well when applying pressure.
 
We aren’t really in danger of losing him either, I expect it will be a few years before we can become genuine contenders so we need to be able to fend off interest from the bigger clubs when it comes to our best players, and right now Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern are all very well stocked in the RF position, and there’s no way we lose him to Liverpool or City.
Madrid lacks a natural RWF.

All options on that wing are either converted Left Wingers or Midfielders
 
I think a lot of managers, pundits and fans in general fall into this trap. Yes he's short and you wouldn't bet on him in a fight but Amad has tenaciousness and intelligence which can make up for a lot. We've seen the likes of Scholes, Silva, Silva and Mata absolutely destroy this league and they're basically the same midge archetype. Once Amad grows into his man body and puts on some muscle he'll be even more dangerous. Look at Cristianos physical transformation from teen to adult for an example of possibilities.

And what age were they when they dominated the league? Zola is another one, by the way.

For players who are short and physically slight like Amad it stands to reason that they might take a year or two longer to excel at top flight football than physical freaks like Rooney or Haaland. Even more so for some kid who has been uprooted to a different country, playing a style of football he's never experienced before where he gets far less protection from referees than he was used to. There's no way that Amad was physically or mentally ready to be starting for us, week in, week out, when he was a skinny little teenager. He needed those loans to do some growing up and get used to English football. 21/22 is the age you would expect someone like him to establish themself as a regular starter at a big club. Crazy the way so many of you seem to think this should have happened years ago.
 
Not a bad shout in terms of technique and intelligence, Amad is far stronger, faster and more explosive though. I was comparing him to Bernardo Silva last season but I actually think he might be more talented than that.
If he reaches prime Bernardo Silva levels we are in for a big treat.
 
And what age were they when they dominated the league? Zola is another one, by the way.

For players who are short and physically slight like Amad it stands to reason that they might take a year or two longer to excel at top flight football than physical freaks like Rooney or Haaland. Even more so for some kid who has been uprooted to a different country, playing a style of football he's never experienced before where he gets far less protection from referees than he was used to. There's no way that Amad was physically or mentally ready to be starting for us, week in, week out, when he was a skinny little teenager. He needed those loans to do some growing up and get used to English football. 21/22 is the age you would expect someone like him to establish themself as a regular starter at a big club. Crazy the way so many of you seem to think this should have happened years ago.
Off field drama too. He had that random scandal about that fake adoption thing and him dropping Traore from his name.
 
And what age were they when they dominated the league? Zola is another one, by the way.

For players who are short and physically slight like Amad it stands to reason that they might take a year or two longer to excel at top flight football than physical freaks like Rooney or Haaland. Even more so for some kid who has been uprooted to a different country, playing a style of football he's never experienced before where he gets far less protection from referees than he was used to. There's no way that Amad was physically or mentally ready to be starting for us, week in, week out, when he was a skinny little teenager. He needed those loans to do some growing up and get used to English football. 21/22 is the age you would expect someone like him to establish themself as a regular starter at a big club. Crazy the way so many of you seem to think this should have happened years ago.
He should have been given chances earlier. He was overlooked for the likes of Forson. I don't know what strawman you're building but I've never said he should have been starting week in week out years ago. The Sunderland loan was a great success and now he's in the mainoo zone where the talent is clearly there but we shouldn't be putting too much on their shoulders. Like you said in 2-3 years hopefully Amad and Kobbie will be reaching their prime.
 
He should have been given chances earlier. He was overlooked for the likes of Forson. I don't know what strawman you're building but I've never said he should have been starting week in week out years ago. The Sunderland loan was a great success and now he's in the mainoo zone where the talent is clearly there but we shouldn't be putting too much on their shoulders. Like you said in 2-3 years hopefully Amad and Kobbie will be reaching their prime.

You’re getting both barrels of a general frustration that shouldn’t really have been aimed at you specifically. I just think his development is going about as well as we could have hoped. ETH could maybe have played him in a handful of games where he chose not to but he clearly rated Amad and played him a lot. Injuries were by far a more significant factor in his limited game time since he came back from Sunderland. So it’s winding me up the way so many are implying he wasn’t rated at all before Amorin took over, or had his development ruined because nobody at the club could see his talent. That’s blatantly not true and it’s irritating when this is framed as redcafe posters being a better judge of talent than the people in charge of this stuff at the club.
 
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You’re getting both barrels of a general frustration that shouldn’t really have been aimed at you specifically. I just think his development is going about as well as we could have hoped. ETH could maybe have played him in a handful of games where he chose not to but he clearly rated Amad and played him a lot. Injuries were by far a more significant factor in his limited game time since he came back from Sunderland. So it’s winding me up the way so many are applying he wasn’t rated at all before Amorin took over, or had his development ruined because nobody at the club could see his talent. That’s blatantly not true and it’s irritating when this is framed as redcafe posters being a better judge of talent than the people in charge of this stuff at the club.
Spot on. People saying ETH practically wasted a year of Amads development are conveniently ignoring that he was injured until Dec/Jan of last season. And like you said, he was maybe not preferred in a handful of games where he was fully fit. So one could argue there was a case of carefully managing his gametime after returning from a long injury layoff.
 
You’re getting both barrels of a general frustration that shouldn’t really have been aimed at you specifically. I just think his development is going about as well as we could have hoped. ETH could maybe have played him in a handful of games where he chose not to but he clearly rated Amad and played him a lot. Injuries were by far a more significant factor in his limited game time since he came back from Sunderland. So it’s winding me up the way so many are implying he wasn’t rated at all before Amorin took over, or had his development ruined because nobody at the club could see his talent. That’s blatantly not true and it’s irritating when this is framed as redcafe posters being a better judge of talent than the people in charge of this stuff at the club.
He has a funny way of rating Amad.

He barely played him and banished him as soon as Rashford/Garnacho showed the slightest bit of form.

Went weeks without getting picked despite scoring the winner against Liverpool in the FA cup tie.

Went from winning player of the month in August to being dropped in September because Rashford and Garnacho scored in the league cup tie against lower league opponents.

Truth is ETH had favourites and always stuck with them until they feck up so badly that he’s forced to try something else. But once they show any signs of improving again, they’ll automatically be back in the lineup even if their replacements were playing well.
 
Yeah nah... it was as simple as him being a stubborn fool

I've been listening to a Norwegian MU podcast. Where they mentioned that ETH didn't like or trust Amass because he wasn't physically big enough, I really think that was the case with Amad as well.
Amass has physically struggled with the step up to U21 games, so yeah I think ETH was spot on.

With Amad he definitely fecked up. He was ready to go all season
 
Spot on. People saying ETH practically wasted a year of Amads development are conveniently ignoring that he was injured until Dec/Jan of last season. And like you said, he was maybe not preferred in a handful of games where he was fully fit. So one could argue there was a case of carefully managing his gametime after returning from a long injury layoff.
He had his first appearance under Ten Hag against Nottingham Forrest in December where he played well. In the next 11 league games, he played only 10 minutes. His first start was in May against Arsenal.
 
He has a funny way of rating Amad.

He barely played him and banished him as soon as Rashford/Garnacho showed the slightest bit of form.

Went weeks without getting picked despite scoring the winner against Liverpool in the FA cup tie.

Went from winning player of the month in August to being dropped in September because Rashford and Garnacho scored in the league cup tie against lower league opponents.

Truth is ETH had favourites and always stuck with them until they feck up so badly that he’s forced to try something else. But once they show any signs of improving again, they’ll automatically be back in the lineup even if their replacements were playing well.

You do realise he was injured for almost the whole of the first half of last season? That’s the reason he “barely played him”

Once Amad got fit he was 100% a first team regular. And ETH repeatedly singled him out for praise. Bit weird for someone he didn’t rate. Yes, he didn’t start every game and - as I said - there were a handful of games where he could have started but didn’t. It’s still a massive stretch to conclude from that the manager didn’t rate him.
 
He has a funny way of rating Amad.

He barely played him and banished him as soon as Rashford/Garnacho showed the slightest bit of form.

Went weeks without getting picked despite scoring the winner against Liverpool in the FA cup tie.

Went from winning player of the month in August to being dropped in September because Rashford and Garnacho scored in the league cup tie against lower league opponents.

Truth is ETH had favourites and always stuck with them until they feck up so badly that he’s forced to try something else. But once they show any signs of improving again, they’ll automatically be back in the lineup even if their replacements were playing well.
I can't believe so many couldn't see what an awful coach he was.

Glossing over so many losses and no style for what exactly? Only Moyes was worse.
 
Is he not proof that players should be given at least a good run of starts before trashing them. I still feel like donny was a victim of this and shoukd have been given the same run but ultimately his injuries, lack of playing time and Confidence destroyed his career.
 
He had his first appearance under Ten Hag against Nottingham Forrest in December where he played well. In the next 11 league games, he played only 10 minutes. His first start was in May against Arsenal.

He picked up his second long term injury of the season in December. Having started the season with a four month spell out injured it seems sensible to be extra careful when he got injured again almost immediately?
 
Mowbray was key to Amad’s development in the simple sense that he consistently played an elite level talent. That’s all Amad has ever needed. He’s finally — four years since his debut — getting consistent playtime at this football club and he has 6 assists in 1 goal in his last 7 starts.
It wasn't just that Mowbray played him. He played to his strengths.

People may just think Sunderland + Mowbray = a typical British hoof it to your CF side, but no. They were a very technical team. Mowbray knew that Amad needed like minded players to link-up with and flourish, and that's why he had Roberts drift over to the right/interchange with Amad and Hume overlapping at FB constantly.
 
He picked up his second long term injury of the season in December. Having started the season with a four month spell out injured it seems sensible to be extra careful when he got injured again almost immediately?
There's a difference between being extra careful and getting 10 minutes in the league over 4 months period. What was weird is that he did well in that 30-minute cameo after his comeback and then just basically nothing till that Liverpool game and that was a bit of a desperate sub.

I don't think Ten Hag rated him much. He also trusted some players and as long as they were fit, they kept playing.
 
There's a difference between being extra careful and getting 10 minutes in the league over 4 months period. What was weird is that he did well in that 30-minute cameo after his comeback and then just basically nothing till that Liverpool game and that was a bit of a desperate sub.

I don't think Ten Hag rated him much. He also trusted some players and as long as they were fit, they kept playing.

My point is he got injured immediately after that 30-minute cameo. Possibly during it! That’s why he didn’t get any game time until Liverpool.
 
My point is he got injured immediately after that 30-minute cameo. Possibly during it! That’s why he didn’t get any game time until Liverpool.

Any source for this because he was on the bench for nearly every match (without ever getting on the pitch) from the Forest game onwards? Seems weird to put a player on the bench with a 3 month long injury preventing them from playing.
 
His ability to go inside or out with such suddenness is fun to watch, and sets him apart from any of our other attackers.
Also, he wins headers!