[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Don't think he is half the talent some seem to think he has

He doesn’t. Our fans are just desperate for a young academy attacker to be good.

 

[Shark]

Yeah he can't really beat a man. He's good at creating half a yard for himself though - which he wastes more often than anything.

Wastes or there's nobody there to anticipate his balls into the box. Javier Hernandez or Cavani would be anticipating them much better than Hojilund.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Except for cutting in from the left I have yet to see him beating his man regularly.

Yeah his take on stats are pretty crap

 

[United Hobbit]

Why didn't he step up to take a penalty? I don't think he'd have scored but come on, you're an attacker 2 defenders stepped up before you

 

[KjaAnd]

Except for cutting in from the left I have yet to see him beating his man regularly.

IIRC, he has one of the worst success rates taking on his man. Yet, he’s our best player in that department. It’s insane.

 

[BorisManUtd]

He had a good cameo and brought on energy as we were 1-0 down but his finishing and decision making is definitely frustrating. Is he going to improve on it over next few years remains to be seen.

 

[always_hoping]

Has it been explained why he didn't take one of the five penalties?

 

[Idxomer]

Yeah he can't really beat a man. He's good at creating half a yard for himself though - which he wastes more often than anything.

Very much like Dan James when he was at the club.

 

[Sandikan]

Should really be a fringe player at best for a United, but it's a sign of where we are that all of our attack are in that same boat.

With the prices for top attacking talent these days being so high, you do fear for how we're going to get a proper quality attack again.
Unless we stumble across a prospect and develop them, but we've not been particularly good at that for a long while.

 

[Sandikan]

Very much like Dan James when he was at the club.

James was way quicker, but had a fair bit less than Garnacho has.

Doesn't mean he should be a starter at United of course, but quite different players.

 

[ThanksBoss26]

Surprised he didn’t take a penalty.

 

[SambaBoy]

Get rid in the summer before his value plummets.

Says a lot about him when he's willing to shoot from everywhere and try beat every single opponent to try be the 'hero' but when there's an opportunity to score with little credit such as in a penalty shoot-out, he's nowhere to be seen instead CB's are taking it.

He does one good action and then rewards himself by trying something outlandish that never comes off. Beats a man well, and then just think Ye that means I can get away with shooting from outside the box instead of trying to find the 3 lads in the box. He's a terrible finisher as well, his technique is all wrong when it comes to striking a box unless we are 3-0 and cruising of course.

 

[Greck]

That's the exact same performance that gets hyped to high heaven after any match. He tries but ultimately gets too many browney points when failing repeatedly. Hojlund and Zirkzee being negative goal threat doesn't make every other attacker United quality.

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

He is just way too frustrating with decision making. This is his 3rd season, the way he plays it seems like he has just been promoted from reserves and he is still not improving the basics. His shooting technique is way too raw, he rarely passes, just keeps running into players, plus he needs at least 4 to 5 big chances to score a goal. Unfortunately, he is the only player we have who can run at any defender so till the end of the season, we will have to do with him.

But come summer, If there is a opportunity to sell, we should snap the hands off for 60M for him.

 

[NZT-One]

He suffers from low confidence and the team being in a bad state. But even with all of that, I just don't think, he is going to be a player that will be decisive for how United as a team goes forward. Given our bad track record of recruitment, I am skeptical as the chance is big we waste the money but if that wouldn't be a factor, I'd say try to generate some cash and invest in one or two players that fit the system more than he does.

I think, he is on the same trajectory as Rashford, a player that is called a winger that wants to play as a wing forward, always more focussed on getting on the end of stuff rather than creating for others. His dribbling isn't great, his speed isn't other worldly, his decision making is not great. He stands out positively in our team because the rest is so bad. United these days isn't a good environment for young players to flourish in, too much expectations, pressure. And a team that seems so far behind in terms of collective principles that players will always look worse than they would in other teams.

 

[gaffs]

He needs to be sold. We should have had to balls to do it when Chelsea and Napoli were sniffing about.

We dont need a left winger in this system so sell him for "pure profit" and buy two or three that fit the managers system.

 

[Zumbi]

If I was him I'd say feck it and leave. He'll have a better chance at fulfilling his potential elsewhere and it definitely looks like the club is trying to push him into wanting to leave so we can cash in. It's shite because he's the type of player this club should look for in our attack (style, just need more experienced and consistent), and instead it's looking like we're building towards a different direction. Just don't like that for us.

This is what I don’t understand because I think he is close to being the opposite of what we need in attack, to the point where his limitations epitomize our whole attack’s limitations.

He lacks the sort of power and physicality that our attack more generally lacks. He has ok pace, although it’s not stand out for that position in the PL, and in technical terms his dribbling isn’t good enough to consistently make that pace count, especially when working in tight spaces.

More importantly though he’s selfish and predictable with an inability to get his head up and make smart decisions, he’s a poor finisher, and he’s not a creative or incisive passer. And those are all recurring issues that plague our whole attack. We’re lacking in any kind of fluid, creative, cohesive interplay amongst our front line, and I honestly don’t see how a player with Garnacho’s skillset is ever going to help foster that kind of play. He struggles to even figure out the benefits of using an overlap - which oddly enough if he used it more often, would actually make his one trick of cutting in and shooting more unpredictable and more effective.

So in your opinion, what particular attributes make him the style/type of player we should be looking for in our attack?

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Can't remember the last time he scored.

Does he have a goal under Amorim?

 

[Bwuk]

I think he’s fallen out with Amorim and his heads gone.

I love Garnacho. Think he’s very talented. But something’s just not right.

 

[Zumbi]

Can't remember the last time he scored.

Does he have a goal under Amorim?

No goals or assists in the PL since Amorim joined. Cannot remember if he does in the cups but don’t think so.

 

[iammemphis]

Has it been explained why he didn't take one of the five penalties?

Because he doesn't have the balls

 

[The Hilton]

He’s our only available attacker who can beat a man 1 v 1. Unfortunately, he has awful finishing and decision making.

He has a terrible success rate when it comes to dribbling though.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

I’ve been a very big critique of the things he doesn’t do well.. but people that can’t see this guy has the potential to dominate a league is quite funny to read and listen to.

He needs a better environment and hopefully we can give it him because believe me he will leave and score loads of goals elsewhere.

 

[DavelinaJolie]

Except for cutting in from the left I have yet to see him beating his man regularly.

I don't know if it's just me, but he seems to rely on his short area acceleration to beat players, he's usually outmatched when a defender gets close enough to him because he lacks the strength or small area technical ability to get past them.

 

[The Hilton]

He’s our only available attacker who can beat a man 1 v 1. Unfortunately, he has awful finishing and decision making.

He has a terrible success rate for dribbling, he may be able to take on a man 1 v 1, but he isn't very good at it.

The finishing and decision making being awful are partly a symptom of his technique on the ball, which is to have his head down from the moment he receives it until he releases it, meaning he generally has no idea what the situation around him looks like.

 

[Hammondo]

He suffers from low confidence and the team being in a bad state. But even with all of that, I just don't think, he is going to be a player that will be decisive for how United as a team goes forward. Given our bad track record of recruitment, I am skeptical as the chance is big we waste the money but if that wouldn't be a factor, I'd say try to generate some cash and invest in one or two players that fit the system more than he does.

I think, he is on the same trajectory as Rashford, a player that is called a winger that wants to play as a wing forward, always more focussed on getting on the end of stuff rather than creating for others. His dribbling isn't great, his speed isn't other worldly, his decision making is not great. He stands out positively in our team because the rest is so bad. United these days isn't a good environment for young players to flourish in, too much expectations, pressure. And a team that seems so far behind in terms of collective principles that players will always look worse than they would in other teams.

When has he been any different?

 

[bond19821982]

I dont see any issue with his performances. We shouldn't be dependent on a kid to win or finish chances . He should be coming in as a sub and slowly building his performances.

 

[NZT-One]

When has he been any different?

Not entirely sure what you mean but he is pretty young so even if he is like that for a while, there was a chance that he would grow out of some of the issues. That being said, he is still young and could achieve that but the more I see him, the less opimistic I am. And the less optimistic, the more I'd push for generating cash with him.

 

[Zumbi]

I dont see any issue with his performances. We shouldn't be dependent on a kid to win or finish chances . He should be coming in as a sub and slowly building his performances.

He hasn’t had any goal involvements since early November. Three of our Centre backs have more. How is that not an issue?

 

[Waynne]

Why does he give off this 'Im world class' aura when he's anything but?

 

[G97]

His end product seems to be regressing. Looking a threat when he comes on solely because he’s the only player who we have who isn’t slow as sh*t. Januzaj and Elanga vibes.
His shooting is so atrocious, I can’t quite figure out if he’s deliberately missing or actually trying his best to score… his shots are either pathetically weak and roll to the keeper or blazed 30 yards over the bar. Crap.

 

[Top_Bins]

Would hugely benefit from passing the ball in the final 3rd.

 

[G97]

Yep and our fans will celebrate it because we’ll get a shiny new wing back that will become not needed when Amorim gets sacked and we change systems again. And not one of them will rally against the club who put us in the position that we HAVE to sell our brightest talents because of their incompetence.

Then when Garnacho fulfills his potential elsewhere while we’re struggling in attack, those same fans will insist “he had attitude problems” or “he wanted to leave”. Or if he does it in another league “it’s a slower league that suits him”.

What level do you predict he will reach to fulfil his potential elsewhere?
The arguments you put forward that fans will use are valid anyway?
The Premier League is the best league in the world by such a long way now that literally any player in it will look comfortably better in a foreign league.
The attitude comment doesn’t even make sense because he is lazy. Running in behind to get goalscoring opportunities for yourself isn’t working hard.

 

[bosnian_red]

This is what I don’t understand because I think he is close to being the opposite of what we need in attack, to the point where his limitations epitomize our whole attack’s limitations.

He lacks the sort of power and physicality that our attack more generally lacks. He has ok pace, although it’s not stand out for that position in the PL, and in technical terms his dribbling isn’t good enough to consistently make that pace count, especially when working in tight spaces.

More importantly though he’s selfish and predictable with an inability to get his head up and make smart decisions, he’s a poor finisher, and he’s not a creative or incisive passer. And those are all recurring issues that plague our whole attack. We’re lacking in any kind of fluid, creative, cohesive interplay amongst our front line, and I honestly don’t see how a player with Garnacho’s skillset is ever going to help foster that kind of play. He struggles to even figure out the benefits of using an overlap - which oddly enough if he used it more often, would actually make his one trick of cutting in and shooting more unpredictable and more effective.

So in your opinion, what particular attributes make him the style/type of player we should be looking for in our attack?

By style of player I think United need, I mean a winger who can run with the ball and is relentless in his mentality to keep going and going, has natural talent and the ability to create a yard of space and is a threat for both creating and scoring. His movement is excellent to get in dangerous positions and always be a threat. He needs to improve and he will, but likely will improve more elsewhere because we aren't the right environment for him.

He's young, his end product has been shit. That stuff will turn in time, and especially when there are others to share the load and be the main men. Right now, there isn't another attacker who looks like they can create a chance, score a goal, or even get a chance let alone take it. Without him we provide 0.

On Garnacho himself, I've said for ages now that I think he's much better on the right. His best period under Ten Hag came from the right wing, but Amorim seems to be insisting on using him on the left only. On the right I think he plays more naturally, he lifts his head up and is a smarter player, while on the left he tries to play off instinct to cut in and shoot which isn't the right choice always.

My issue is I love watching wingers who run with the ball at defenders and try to make things happen and cause danger, and I think our system is moving away from that. So I don't like that.

 

[TheNewEra]

Hope we cash in this summer. We can't continue this. We did the same with Rashford I'm all for giving young players time but we need to be back competing.

 

[NZT-One]

By style of player I think United need, I mean a winger who can run with the ball and is relentless in his mentality to keep going and going, has natural talent and the ability to create a yard of space and is a threat for both creating and scoring. His movement is excellent to get in dangerous positions and always be a threat. He needs to improve and he will, but likely will improve more elsewhere because we aren't the right environment for him.

He's young, his end product has been shit. That stuff will turn in time, and especially when there are others to share the load and be the main men. Right now, there isn't another attacker who looks like they can create a chance, score a goal, or even get a chance let alone take it. Without him we provide 0.

On Garnacho himself, I've said for ages now that I think he's much better on the right. His best period under Ten Hag came from the right wing, but Amorim seems to be insisting on using him on the left only. On the right I think he plays more naturally, he lifts his head up and is a smarter player, while on the left he tries to play off instinct to cut in and shoot which isn't the right choice always.

My issue is I love watching wingers who run with the ball at defenders and try to make things happen and cause danger, and I think our system is moving away from that. So I don't like that.

I agree with prefering him on the right.

I don't agree with the way you describe him, I don't think he likes to run at people because he knows his odds to actually beat his man aren't great. I think, he likes to play like Rashford, make runs and get on the end of things. This way he can make use of his pace and grit without the good-to-very-good technique slowing him down.

 

[Zumbi]

By style of player I think United need, I mean a winger who can run with the ball and is relentless in his mentality to keep going and going, has natural talent and the ability to create a yard of space and is a threat for both creating and scoring. His movement is excellent to get in dangerous positions and always be a threat. He needs to improve and he will, but likely will improve more elsewhere because we aren't the right environment for him.

He's young, his end product has been shit. That stuff will turn in time, and especially when there are others to share the load and be the main men. Right now, there isn't another attacker who looks like they can create a chance, score a goal, or even get a chance let alone take it. Without him we provide 0.

On Garnacho himself, I've said for ages now that I think he's much better on the right. His best period under Ten Hag came from the right wing, but Amorim seems to be insisting on using him on the left only. On the right I think he plays more naturally, he lifts his head up and is a smarter player, while on the left he tries to play off instinct to cut in and shoot which isn't the right choice always.

My issue is I love watching wingers who run with the ball at defenders and try to make things happen and cause danger, and I think our system is moving away from that. So I don't like that.

I’m not convinced our system is moving completely away from that. We’re just not seeing the system in play properly yet because of the myriad squad issues we have. The WBs in Amorim’s system are supposed to make things happen and cause danger in the wide areas, and if the rumours of us going for Quenda in the summer are true, we could potentially have him and Amad doing exactly that.

Agreed on Garnacho looking better on the right. He is such a frustrating player on the left. I don’t agree that it’s a given he will improve or consistently find end product to a sufficient degree though. Maybe he does, but the reality is that many young players don’t end up progressing beyond their early promise, and I’m genuinely not convinced his ceiling is that high.

I also think the bolded paragraph is incredibly harsh on Bruno. He has 10+ goals and assists under Amorim. Garnacho has zero.

 

[SmashedHombre]

Came on and upped the tempo considerably (not difficult, admittedly). We were going nowhere and doing nothing before he came on the pitch. Very selish, but when you look at who he has to pass to in the box I guess it's understandable.

 

[Dex_Utd]

A very average performance. He does have pace, intent and creativity but his shooting and passing (in the opposition box) really need to be improved.

However, in every game he seems to create a few chances for himself and ends up in really good positions to score and that is partly why people get more frustrated with him when those get wasted. But he is younger, came from academy while our main strikers with big price tags are abysmal even in that area while playing centrally. He may be a problem in our attack but not amongst the top-3. At a minimum he deserves another year, with some new partners up top. He and Amad also seem to be more in sync with each other when they play together so its worth giving it more chance.

What I fear though is that given PSR, he might be thought of as more lucrative to sell from an accounting point of view. Will probbaly make us worse in my opinion if he is one of the first to let go while the bigger problems up top remain.

 

[bosnian_red]

I’m not convinced our system is moving completely away from that. We’re just not seeing the system in play properly yet because of the myriad squad issues we have. The WBs in Amorim’s system are supposed to make things happen and cause danger in the wide areas, and if the rumours of us going for Quenda in the summer are true, we could potentially have him and Amad doing exactly that.

Agreed on Garnacho looking better on the right. He is such a frustrating player on the left. I don’t agree that it’s a given he will improve or consistently find end product to a sufficient degree though. Maybe he does, but the reality is that many young players don’t end up progressing beyond their early promise, and I’m genuinely not convinced his ceiling is that high.

I also think the bolded paragraph is incredibly harsh on Bruno. He has 10+ goals and assists under Amorim. Garnacho has zero.

Eh I'm not being critical on Bruno, i just see him as a central midfielder who is a creator, not one of the direct attackers. He's just doing everything for us because he's far and away our best player