[bosnian_red]

I’m not convinced our system is moving completely away from that. We’re just not seeing the system in play properly yet because of the myriad squad issues we have. The WBs in Amorim’s system are supposed to make things happen and cause danger in the wide areas, and if the rumours of us going for Quenda in the summer are true, we could potentially have him and Amad doing exactly that.

Agreed on Garnacho looking better on the right. He is such a frustrating player on the left. I don’t agree that it’s a given he will improve or consistently find end product to a sufficient degree though. Maybe he does, but the reality is that many young players don’t end up progressing beyond their early promise, and I’m genuinely not convinced his ceiling is that high.

I also think the bolded paragraph is incredibly harsh on Bruno. He has 10+ goals and assists under Amorim. Garnacho has zero.

Eh I'm not being critical on Bruno, i just see him as a central midfielder who is a creator, not one of the direct attackers. He's just doing everything for us because he's far and away our best player

 

[Zumbi]

Eh I'm not being critical on Bruno, i just see him as a central midfielder who is a creator, not one of the direct attackers. He's just doing everything for us because he's far and away our best player

Of course Bruno’s an attacker. If he wasn’t he wouldn’t be in a position to be our highest goal scorer. Sure, he’s started deeper in a few games due to injuries in CM, but he’s still our most effective player in and around the opposition box, and is far more effective in those areas than Garnacho. So it just seems like a weird claim that without Garnacho we provide zero.

 

[bosnian_red]

Of course Bruno’s an attacker. If he wasn’t he wouldn’t be in a position to be our highest goal scorer. Sure, he’s started deeper in a few games due to injuries in CM, but he’s still our most effective player in and around the opposition box, and is far more effective in those areas than Garnacho. So it just seems like a weird claim that without Garnacho we provide zero.

I count him as a midfielder, because he's mostly been playing in midfield under Amorim and his role is as a midfielder. He's not on the receiving end of the balls forward, he is the one playing them. Yes he's also our top scorer because he's just our best player by a distance and is also a top attacking midfielder, even if he isn't playing as one currently.

So when I say attackers, I mean the players who are playing in attack. Zirkzee, Hojlund, Chido, Rashford, amad, Garnacho, Antony... Of which there's only Garnacho, zirkzee, Hojlund and Chido who are there now. So yes, Garnacho is our only attacker who can actually make anything happen right now. He's the only one who has good movement to receive passes in behind, he's the only one who can create a yard of space for a shot or cross when he has the ball, he's the only one the opposition has to worry about.

 

[Zumbi]

I count him as a midfielder, because he's mostly been playing in midfield under Amorim and his role is as a midfielder. He's not on the receiving end of the balls forward, he is the one playing them. Yes he's also our top scorer because he's just our best player by a distance and is also a top attacking midfielder, even if he isn't playing as one currently.

So when I say attackers, I mean the players who are playing in attack. Zirkzee, Hojlund, Chido, Rashford, amad, Garnacho, Antony... Of which there's only Garnacho, zirkzee, Hojlund and Chido who are there now. So yes, Garnacho is our only attacker who can actually make anything happen right now. He's the only one who has good movement to receive passes in behind, he's the only one who can create a yard of space for a shot or cross when he has the ball, he's the only one the opposition has to worry about.

No, he’s only been playing in CM recently due to the injuries etc in CM. More often he had been playing one of the two ten positions, much like Amad, Garnacho etc. And in either position he is a more effective attacker who makes more things happen than Garnacho. So it’s weird to try and discount him as an attacker in order to try and inflate Garnacho’s importance.

Garnacho has zero goals or assist under Amorim. That does not make him the “only one” the opposition have to worry about. .

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Made a nice pre-assist to Dalot.

There's nothing wrong with Garnacho turning in to Rashford. Rashford got worse because of his wages and work rate, not because of how useful his output was.

 

[NinjaZombie]

I wonder how we decide on penalty takers. You'd think one of the most selfish players in the team would want to take a penalty ahead of our 5th choice centre back.

 

[redshaw]

Garnacho has zero goals or assist under Amorim. That does not make him the “only one” the opposition have to worry about. .

He has 2 assists and one goal under Amorim.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He’s okay. I’m not really bothered either way with him (stay or go). Love seeing us develop young players but he’s a very one dimensional talent.

 

[Longshanks]

Such a greedy so and so. Really needs to hone in the shooting and look to play others in more.

He is lively and good dribbler, but he is very frustrating.

 

[Champ]

He has 2 assists and one goal under Amorim.

Reality doesn't matter to that poster unfortunately.

 

[flappyjay]

He has some weaknesses in his game but i swear if he was a half decent finisher, he would be a top player. He gets himself into scoring positions better than anyone else in our sqaud then often messes it up.

 

[Big Andy]

Such a greedy so and so. Really needs to hone in the shooting and look to play others in more.

He is lively and good dribbler, but he is very frustrating.

This.

I like Garnacho, he's a player that gets people off their seats and he is direct and skillful, his finishing needs work, and because he's not scored since December, he's shooting from all angles trying to get that goal. He needs to become a real team player if he's going to make that 10 spot his own, or learn how to defend to take the LWB spot. Sadly I don't see him doing either, so he's either going to end up an impact player, or he'll leave and be a proper winger somewhere else.

 

[bosnian_red]

No, he’s only been playing in CM recently due to the injuries etc in CM. More often he had been playing one of the two ten positions, much like Amad, Garnacho etc. And in either position he is a more effective attacker who makes more things happen than Garnacho. So it’s weird to try and discount him as an attacker in order to try and inflate Garnacho’s importance.

Garnacho has zero goals or assist under Amorim. That does not make him the “only one” the opposition have to worry about. .

Whatever bud. I've said I count Bruno as a midfielder because that's the role he's been playing. He's not on the receiving end of chance creation or progression, he's the one that does it. It's not just a recent thing, amorim said early on he prefers him in midfield. He's played more games at CM than attacking mid for amorim. But anyway, my point is our attackers are shit for what we need, while Garna is the only one of those available and playing who can do anything of use to be a threat. Amad is hurt so isn't counted, Bruno is playing midfield so isn't counted, Rashford is loaned out so isn't counted. It's easy to understand and easy to see, as we create absolutely feck all and don't look like creating anything until he goes on the pitch.

 

[JJ12]

If he can fix his end product he's going to be a very good player.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

His touch looked much more assured than it has in a while. I can be quite critical of him but I thought he was decent.

Played a part in our goal and put a couple of decent balls in. Obviously he has a lot to work on.

 

[Solius]

I think he gets more stick than necessary due to the overall state of the club.

We've had so many players like him. Talented but petulant. Brave and direct but inconsistent with not great decision making, etc.. He's 20 years old. No shit he's got stuff to improve. Even if he doesn't reach the highest heights he could be a solid squad player here, but people want to get rid just because he's not a perfectly rounded player at his age.

It's just another example of a player that should be a back-up/rotation option that has had the entire attacking output of the club put on them. Him and Hojlund should not be starting at this level currently but we have no other choice.

 

[jem]

He has 2 assists and one goal under Amorim.

I’m struggling to remember the goal he scored under Amorim. When was it?

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I’m struggling to remember the goal he scored under Amorim. When was it?

Scored against Bodo Glimt

 

[jem]

Scored against Bodo Glimt

Oh that’s right. Cheers!

 

[The Hilton]

Such a greedy so and so. Really needs to hone in the shooting and look to play others in more.

He is lively and good dribbler, but he is very frustrating.

He isn't a good dribbler though, his success rate is <30%, he's among the worst in the league.

 

[Shark]

I think he gets more stick than necessary due to the overall state of the club.

We've had so many players like him. Talented but petulant. Brave and direct but inconsistent with not great decision making, etc.. He's 20 years old. No shit he's got stuff to improve. Even if he doesn't reach the highest heights he could be a solid squad player here, but people want to get rid just because he's not a perfectly rounded player at his age.

It's just another example of a player that should be a back-up/rotation option that has had the entire attacking output of the club put on them. Him and Hojlund should not be starting at this level currently but we have no other choice.

This is the only sensible opinion. The likes of Garnacho, Hojilund and even Zirkzee should be prospects coming off the bench to learn their trades in an already functioning side.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I think he gets more stick than necessary due to the overall state of the club.

We've had so many players like him. Talented but petulant. Brave and direct but inconsistent with not great decision making, etc.. He's 20 years old. No shit he's got stuff to improve. Even if he doesn't reach the highest heights he could be a solid squad player here, but people want to get rid just because he's not a perfectly rounded player at his age.

It's just another example of a player that should be a back-up/rotation option that has had the entire attacking output of the club put on them. Him and Hojlund should not be starting at this level currently but we have no other choice.

I disagree with this part though. People wanted to get rid because we are hilariously cash poor as a club and there was real interest from clubs in that 60m region of a fee. At that point you have to evaluate where a players at and what he is without rose tinted glasses on, and some of us came to the conclusion that we'd be better served selling him for a high fee than hoarding him for the pipe dream that he ends up being worth more than that through his own progression.

In an ideal world we could afford to just keep all of our academy talents and see if they work out or not without thinking of selling, but that's not the position we're in.

 

[Aint gota Kalou]

Would be worth trying him as the right 10. We have no attacking options from the RWB if Mazaroui has to play there whereas at least Dorgu/Dalot can offer some width when theyre playing LWB.

Was just as good as a RW for us under the previous manager and actually made it so he passed/crossed a bit more.

He's struggling at the moment but there's definitely a player in there. Saying that, if there is a big bid in the summer we should consider selling him.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Don't think I've ever flip-flopped on player as hard as with this lad

He's shit. Get rid.

Tune in next week for my revised opinion.

 

[El Zoido]

He’s not as good as he thinks he is, and is a bit of a primadonna. Makes it tougher to back him during poor form. I know he’s better than this, but the club is a cart with three wheels fallen off, it’s hard to thrive.

 

[Insanity]

I have been harsh on him but he is the best of the bad lot available right now. I wish he'd just concentrate on his football and all the other nonsense disappears. We need himto start games regularly, that's how starved we are of attacking talent. He is our only attacking threat. We have a grand total of three attacking player - Zirkzee, Hojlund and Garna - with Bruno playing in central midfield most games, and the first two are total shit.

 

[red_de_pologne]

He might've checked out knowing he's sold in a couple months

 

[Shane88]

You're never confident when he's through on goal or has a big chance. You just know he'll fluff it.

 

[dovaris]

He is 20 years old, were all the current best wingers in the world at a much higher level than Garnacho when they were also 20 years old? I wouldn't say that many on this list were. Most of them had flaws and consistency problems just like Alejandro.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spiel...&jahrgang=0&land_id=0&kontinent_id=0&yt0=Show

Here's also a C/P:

No player under 21 has recorded more goals or goal contributions than Garnacho since the 2022/23 season. At just 20 years old, he’s already a Puskás Award winner, earned 8 caps for Argentina, won the Copa América, FA Cup, and League Cup, and is regarded as a massive prospect for the future being ranked in the top 5 players under 21 in the world.

Scored in the final of FA Cup and Community shield vs Man City. All that at age of 20.

He has shown the talent, maybe not constantly, but it's there. Give him one more season to work with Amorim and hopefully in a much more healthier and positive enviroment in and around the club next season with some good transfer business in the summer, Garnacho could show more.

 

[Zumbi]

Whatever bud. I've said I count Bruno as a midfielder because that's the role he's been playing. He's not on the receiving end of chance creation or progression, he's the one that does it. It's not just a recent thing, amorim said early on he prefers him in midfield. He's played more games at CM than attacking mid for amorim. But anyway, my point is our attackers are shit for what we need, while Garna is the only one of those available and playing who can do anything of use to be a threat. Amad is hurt so isn't counted, Bruno is playing midfield so isn't counted, Rashford is loaned out so isn't counted. It's easy to understand and easy to see, as we create absolutely feck all and don't look like creating anything until he goes on the pitch.

How is he our top scorer if he’s not on the end of chance creation? Did you not watch the game over the weekend, where he got on the end of a chance, and scored?

And zero goals or assists under in the Amorim in the PL does not scream threat.

 

[Zumbi]

He has 2 assists and one goal under Amorim.

What games were those? Maybe the stats page I was looking at was only showing PL games.

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

I think people are being harsh with the comments, he’s a young lad who has good ability but nothing special. We the fans have overhyped him because he was a breath of fresh air when he first made his debut.

We lacked pace and dribblers for a while now holding onto Rashford.

The truth is Garnacho is a squad rotation player talent or if he drops a level, mid table. I’ve seen him play for Argentina a while back and he’s still showing the same level. Trying to dribble and getting a shot off.

Now this is not to say he can change his game, maybe better passing and quicker 1-2 plays. Maybe develop a more accurate shot but that’s all on him.

 

[NicolaSacco]

How is he our top scorer if he’s not on the end of chance creation? Did you not watch the game over the weekend, where he got on the end of a chance, and scored?

And zero goals or assists under in the Amorim in the PL does not scream threat.

It’s literally been explained to you again and again, very patiently!

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

If it wasn't for PSR would people still want to sell him?

I wouldn't.

 

[Zumbi]

It’s literally been explained to you again and again, very patiently!

No, it really hasn’t. He claimed Bruno isn’t the one getting on the end of chances, and yet I literally keep seeing Bruno get on the end of chances. If you’d like an example, this happened over the weekend when Bruno was in the box and got on the end of a chance and then scored a goal from it.

 

[NicolaSacco]

No, it really hasn’t. He claimed Bruno isn’t the one getting on the end of chances, and yet I literally keep seeing Bruno get on the end of chances. If you’d like an example, this happened over the weekend when Bruno was in the box and got on the end of a chance and then scored a goal from it.

He’s categorised the players in a way that you don’t. It’s as simple as that. By all means disagree but stop pretending you can’t understand. I understood the first time, and not sure I personally agree with him either.

 

[Zumbi]

He’s categorised the players in a way that you don’t. It’s as simple as that. By all means disagree but stop pretending you can’t understand. I understood the first time, and not sure I personally agree with him either.

No, he made a very clear statement that he’s not a player getting on the end of chances. It’s an objective fact which can be verified with video evidence that he is a player getting on the end of chances. This is not a matter of opinion. And he’s better at it than almost anyone in our squad.

 

[VP89]

No, it really hasn’t. He claimed Bruno isn’t the one getting on the end of chances, and yet I literally keep seeing Bruno get on the end of chances. If you’d like an example, this happened over the weekend when Bruno was in the box and got on the end of a chance and then scored a goal from it.

Bruno is our set piece taker and he does make late runs into the box, but he's operating in a deeper position than before which puts him on the end of a lot less chances than we'd otherwise expect.

What the poster said was pretty clear and accurate. He has 4 non penalty goals in the Premier League which pretty much reflects the expectation of his deeper position.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Zumbi]

Bruno is our set piece taker and he does make late runs into the box, but he's operating in a deeper position than before which puts him on the end of a lot less chances than we'd otherwise expect.

What the poster said was pretty clear and accurate. He has 4 non penalty goals in the Premier League which pretty much reflects the expectation of his deeper position.

As I said, he’s been playing deeper since our resources in CM were depleted through injury. But nonetheless, he’s still a key attacker who gets on the end of chances as we saw over the weekend.

And four non penalty goals in the league is infinitely more than the zero Garnacho has in the PL since Amorim joined, which is pretty relevant to my original point that discounting Bruno as an attacking force in order to claim that Garnacho is our only threat doesn’t make any sense when the former has proved himself to be a far bigger threat than the latter even despite the deeper role he has been playing very recently.