It would certainly be helpful to get a few more players with Casemiro's attitude and winning resume in. It's just that the ones that are available to us are generally nearing the end of their career, so it's a short term fix at best (Schweinsteiger, Zlatan, Ronaldo, Varane, Casemiro, etc.).
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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It's a character issue, SAF used to seek out a specific character set if it was lacking - a Keano, a Rooney or a Cantona. None of them were at their career peaks when we got them. Been thinking about it for a while but we need to seek some out, not saying McT was this type of character but he's on that spectrum and its a shame managers and fans alike wanted him out.... even sat on the bench those characters are important
He has Scaloni, Aimar, Samuel and Ayala as coaches in the NT and Messi, Alvarez and Lautaro as players that can calm him down whenever he is cited and even if he is hated here, Di Maria can teach him a thing or two about resilliance and quite a lot of street alike tricks under the sleeve for his winger role.
At the end of the day, since the very first minute he looked like a player that has too much urge for the good and the bad. He plays with a basket cube over his head many times, but still young enough and with a great pace and quite great technical ability with mostly quite a daring attitude.
Not the greatest enviroment, but if he focus he might get a lot better in time.
He should be criticize like any player no matter age, he shouldn't be crucify given age and primarly context.
PD: last match he played against Buonanotte, that so far being a tad younger, for me, he showed to be more silked, less pacey and this season a tad more mature in his decission making.
Yet this last game Facundo took many rushed decisions and complicated himself too many times, yet there is a common denominator with both: it looks that they play with an urge that their teams need them too much and they just want to show it and do sthg., that's not ideal for any youngster.
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Yep but you get some fans who think they know better or are better footballers than actual footballers. If fans understoon that footballers grow, instead of expecting them to go from U18 - PL and carry a team, they clearly have no football understanding.
He should be protected and brought into the team slowly rather than thrown in because the seniors are so poor. It shows more about the others, Antony, Sancho, Rashford who are behind this lad.
The guy Faze who gave Garnacho some tips.. is an embarrassment to the whole fan base for numerous reasons. I have gone in and watched some of his videos and his takes are quite frankly bias based.
1. He thinks Sancho shouldn't have been let go, he spoke about how good he is after those few Chelsea games. So I get why he is lashing out at Garnacho because he feels he took his place.
2. The area where Garnacho was, its an area where kids and fans go so they can get a glimpse of players, get autographs, something kids and fans will cherish, which is now being spoilt by one entitled fan who wants to go viral.
we were spoiled with young talents like Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Rooney, Ronaldo so much that we expect every talents that come from our academy to perform the same way
He should be inspired by this and not give a rat's arse about the knobheads
Simple
Very wholesome, it seems like he doesn't drown out the crowd or fans as much as others can. Hopefully it is inspiring for him.
its high time the club does something about these toxic youtube channels gaining access at the club. Under the Glazers it was allowed and it now needs to be ended under Radcliffe and Co!
Agreed.
I would absolutely love if the club came out and condemned Mark Goldbridge and the toxic clowns that follow him.
He killed Ben White at Old Trafford last season tbh. A few times.
Cucurella last season too.
I was in the Stretford end yesterday, right at the front, one row from the pitch. Just to put a little more context to the Garnacho non goal celebration.
I think some of the scorn normally directed at Rashford was momentarily directed at Garnacho, due to his recent lack of performances and the very public dressing down from Casemiro, for not tracking back against Chelsea.
Anyway, soon after coming on yesterday, he was put through and ended up slipping on the ball and then the ball went out for a goal kick. The entire Stretford end groaned, and I don't think people further back saw that Faes had stood on his fingers, so he was genuinely hurt and rolling around on the floor, but people were shouting at him to get up. One guy behind me shouted, "GET UP YOU SOFT C U Next Tuesday." He was only 3 rows from the pitch so Garnacho deffo heard it. Then loads of others joined in, shouting at him to get up. Proper angry they were.
The same people were singing his name when he curled that beauty into the top corner. This is the fickle nature of football fans (tanked up on goofballs and fizzers)
I think some of the scorn normally directed at Rashford was momentarily directed at Garnacho, due to his recent lack of performances and the very public dressing down from Casemiro, for not tracking back against Chelsea.
Anyway, soon after coming on yesterday, he was put through and ended up slipping on the ball and then the ball went out for a goal kick. The entire Stretford end groaned, and I don't think people further back saw that Faes had stood on his fingers, so he was genuinely hurt and rolling around on the floor, but people were shouting at him to get up. One guy behind me shouted, "GET UP YOU SOFT C U Next Tuesday." He was only 3 rows from the pitch so Garnacho deffo heard it. Then loads of others joined in, shouting at him to get up. Proper angry they were.
The same people were singing his name when he curled that beauty into the top corner. This is the fickle nature of football fans (tanked up on goofballs and fizzers)
I bet each and every one of those fickle fans are subscribers to one of the many toxic youtube fan channels.
he is one of the worlds best u21 players, is producing more than his peers, at a major club in a major league. and people are pissed because he's not doing messi/ronaldo like numbers.
as for the youtube wankers, anyone who does a 'watchalong' and everyone who watches along (for any event) should be rounded up, put on the pitch at OT and then shot.
as for the youtube wankers, anyone who does a 'watchalong' and everyone who watches along (for any event) should be rounded up, put on the pitch at OT and then shot.
Yes, rather than advising one or two players they work with, let’s reform society and change the behaviour of billions of people overnight.
That's not what I wrote though?
It basically is? It’s far more logical to manage how the the players handle it than to attempt to change what everyone else says. Nasty comments will never be stopped. Never ever.
He was called a "thick selfish cnut" by a poster on here last week, and my post saying it was unacceptable led to the most replies I've seen all year, with people falling over themselves to disagree with me and insist on how useless he is.
For a club that prides itself on bringing through young players, we have developed a huge number of nasty, entitled shits as fans and I wouldn't blame any talented academy product for being disillusioned with them.
That video of him acknowledging the kid as he was coming on and then seeking him out for the shirt was beautiful and it's not the first time we've seen him interact with young fans like that. The swing side is him taking the abuse to heart as well, but while it's easy to slam a youngster for not being able to tune it all out and be a perfectly emotionally mature robot at 20, we should be celebrating players who care about the fans.
For a club that prides itself on bringing through young players, we have developed a huge number of nasty, entitled shits as fans and I wouldn't blame any talented academy product for being disillusioned with them.
That video of him acknowledging the kid as he was coming on and then seeking him out for the shirt was beautiful and it's not the first time we've seen him interact with young fans like that. The swing side is him taking the abuse to heart as well, but while it's easy to slam a youngster for not being able to tune it all out and be a perfectly emotionally mature robot at 20, we should be celebrating players who care about the fans.
Absolutely critical player with lots of flair. Son if you are reading this then stop being worried about what fans say. Just enjoy the game. You are doing great.
Same here. Him, Ugarte, Amad...they will build something special.
100% agree.
I never said that? I said maybe sometimes it's better to think before one types. It was very much a personal thing, and not some idea that we can change the entire fan base
Smiling after we've won and spending time with a young fan? What a piece of shit.
I think garnacho will in the end fall short of world class, but will be a dangerous player for us. United are now short of world class too!
Scary looking at how fecking good ronnie was here though, he dribbles at sprinting pace and tricks for days. I haven't seen a player this prodigious since. Apart from obertan maybe
And actually no reason to not do both. He can both receive support to ignore criticism and we can all be better, more mindful people. Change starts at home and all that.
Yeah, when you look back at those clips, Ronaldo was effortless in his movement and pace at times. There's a lovely clip in that of Rooney wiping him out, was the season before he joined.
Garnacho might wrll fall short of being in the world class bracket. If he ends up being worth over 20 goals and assists goals a season, he'll be doing alright.
As fans we crave for players to have a connection with us and not to become too detached from reality.
In doing that we then complain that players have emotional reactions when they are abused or criticised. Even when they are young and mentally developing themselves.
In doing that we then complain that players have emotional reactions when they are abused or criticised. Even when they are young and mentally developing themselves.
It wasn't as prevalent back then but there were still forums and yeah, Ronaldo was a very divisive character at times during his first three years here. Darren Fletcher as well used to get loads of stick.
Said it before but anyone who wants to see a bad Ronaldo performance (which could be quite frequent at times) should watch his highlights against Chelsea in 05-06 at the Bridge. He had an absolute horror show and was subbed in the second half. I remember watching with people who were in hysterics laughing at him when another shot/free kick went into row Z.
The next season he was the second best player in the world
To be fair, it's not just us.
The world has always been full of bellends, the internet gave them a voice and social media has amplified and further incentivised extreme views and behaviours as a path to "relevance".
I spent some time with Uruguay's U20 World Cup winning coach last year and was surprised (initially, not once I processed it) at how much emphasis he put on tracking social media to know where to have a word, which egos to keep in check and which ones to prop up. It seemed to be a more substantial part of his job and merit than tactics and whatnot.
Sounds like a smart fella to be honest.
It’s an easy thing to dismiss as silly and unimportant for people our age who didn’t grow up with it playing such a big role in our lives.
Interesting, and a bit depressing.
He is a former pro from late 90s/early 00s so walked me through how he came through with no phones and waiting for the equivalent of MOTD, then having mobiles that had to be tucked in lockers until after the game... and now having to wait 15 minutes to have the post-match teamtalk because they go straight to social media, check the suggested posts from their agents/community managers, select the in-game/goal celebration photo they like most... Absolutely no chance of getting any attention before that.
Had a really funny but insightful story: we had narrowly lost the South American Championship (WC qualifier) to Brazil in February. When they reconvened two months later to start building up to the World Cup in June one of our star players showed up with a cap and his face all plastered with some cream. What was it about? He now had tonnes of followers, ladies DMing him and he had gotten all self-conscious about his pimples.
At that point he realised these weren't the same kids he had managed only two months ago. No shit Sherlock, right? Not that we even consider they are actually human beings and rather immature ones. In fact, he paid attention and ultimately cut loose a few whose attitude was too far gone up their backside. It was absolutely not a (much criticised) football decision but one entirely based on prioritising the attitude and ethos that ultimately saw them come through as winners.
I did feel a bit sorry for Garnacho yesterday, but unfortunately, this is the kind of pressure some 'fans' place on players. I'll admit, I've been critical of his recent performances myself, but it’s worth remembering that he’s only 20 years old.
In fairness, he's been overplayed, which sometimes leads people to judge him as if he were a seasoned player in the squad. That’s an unrealistic expectation at his age, especially considering he’s still developing and adjusting to the demands of top-flight football.
For Garnacho, the focus should be on staying grounded, working hard, and continually improving. With the right attitude and a willingness to learn, I have no doubt he could build a successful career at United.
In fairness, he's been overplayed, which sometimes leads people to judge him as if he were a seasoned player in the squad. That’s an unrealistic expectation at his age, especially considering he’s still developing and adjusting to the demands of top-flight football.
For Garnacho, the focus should be on staying grounded, working hard, and continually improving. With the right attitude and a willingness to learn, I have no doubt he could build a successful career at United.
Lovely video of him on the clubs Instagram giving a young lad who was cheering for him his shirt after the game
All this because he wasnt that good in 30 min cameo. Social media is brutal on young players.
On every player, since quite some time. people sometimes do not realize how much shyte even players like Pele, Maradona, Maldini, Baresi would received on daily basis in this current social media world.
PD: trolls aside, he really played badly, he tried, but he couldn't progress at all. The whole team played way below par and its becoming a tendency, Scaloni must start making some changes, even if those do not entirely work, the team needs a revamp. At some point any team no matter records, titles, starts to stagnate and not few times, directly fall.
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He’s been bad for the national team pretty much every time out.
Think it sort of shows the gap he still has to close to reach the next level, because Argentina has a lot more quality as a team around him than United does and it makes him look out of place at times.
Yet in this last match, it was worse because we didn't play our best passing game (it's a current tendency, we are playing worse match after match, it was prone to happen of course).
We were slow as snails, bar a couple of trademark great plays.
We are lacking dribbling, suprise, many mids seem frankly tired as feck, specially Macca that is vital.
For instance Paraguay played a defensive line that could have easily be expose with diagonal runs and passes to the space, more or less like the goal. The chance De Paul blew after a great Julian pass and many other situations that demanded a pass and a pacey fella didn't happen, so of course Ale didn't recived even remotely such type of pass. Our mids rarely dared and the forwards ran and got tired without receiving any ball bar the goal.
This created an scenario were the team played badly and Garnacho received the ball alone to deal with his marker, with little, to no advantage. Same happened on the other flank with Alvarez (he doesn't have the dribble to do such role in my view). The diff? Julian didn't constantly loose it, but hardly tried to beat his marker, Garnacho tried to beat his marker everytime, yet failing.
This NT version with no dribblers it's starting to annoy the feck out of me, we always had fellas that upfront could create sthg out of nothing when we played badly and create a lot more when they received the ball properly.
So Garnacho was bad, yet the team didn't help him AT ALL, nor was expose in comparison, he just joined the bad day.
PD: I would have love to see Senesi, Dybala, Buonanotte and Paz yesterday till we hit jackpot with some trully new CRACK, mainly because if we are not going to have real diff makers in the forseable future, we need to give what we have, more playing time, Alejandro included of course.
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Once he sorts out the flaws to his game he could be a real contender to be among the very best. There's little margin for error in his development, the bad habits he's picked up and that have gone unpunished could hinder his pathway to becoming an elite player.
I've been thinking about the system Amorim is likely to implement and I find it difficult to find a place for Garnacho in it.
Not defensively minded (nor physically strong) enough to play wing back; not technical enough nor with the decision making acumen to play as one of the 10s behind the front man. Where do people see him fitting in that I'm not seeing?
Not defensively minded (nor physically strong) enough to play wing back; not technical enough nor with the decision making acumen to play as one of the 10s behind the front man. Where do people see him fitting in that I'm not seeing?