[lsd]

He's either brainless or greedy. Either way needs to learn to pass at the right time and when there's a player in a better position.

Very frustrating to watch

 

[rooney2009]

Give him time, He is still quite young and I thought He did ok today
He has everything to be a great player but we’ve got to be patient with him.

 

[V.O.]

I feel like in this system, he's a centre forward running in behind, or maybe a wingback when we're chasing a game.

He can't take care of the ball enough to be one of the two players behind the striker, especially when Bruno is the other one.

 

[Godfather]

I feel like in this system, he's a centre forward running in behind, or maybe a wingback when we're chasing a game.

He can't take care of the ball enough to be one of the two players behind the striker, especially when Bruno is the other one.

No way he can play in the CF position

 

[cj_sparky]

He is incredibly frustrating, really needs to improve his decision making. When to release the ball, when to carry it and also when to simply hold it up.

Numerous occasions he was also lacking runners behind him though as we didn't get forward quick enough to help him on a couple of occasions either.

 

[V.O.]

No way he can play in the CF position

He's about as much of a striker as Rashford is. Unfortunately, I don't see him fitting neatly anywhere into our new setup.

 

[Godfather]

He's about as much of a striker as Rashford is. Unfortunately, I don't see him fitting neatly anywhere into our new setup.

Me neither although he's still young and can develop to get more comfortable in the position he played today. For Rashford on the other hand I see no real place at all.

 

[criticalanalysis]

He is incredibly frustrating, really needs to improve his decision making. When to release the ball, when to carry it and also when to simply hold it up.

Numerous occasions he was also lacking runners behind him though as we didn't get forward quick enough to help him on a couple of occasions either.

I don't want to keep shitting on the kid but let's be honest, even if he did have runners or support, he would have head down and run with it anyways. His awareness of his surroundings and his own pace/hold up strength is severely lacking.

He very regularly makes space with a first couple of yards, where he already has the advantage to shift a defender's balance with a hesitation, feint, come inwards and/or play a pass but the majority of the time, he just wants to run forward in a straight line. He doesn't have the raw pace to do that or the technical ability. Heck not even Mbappe could just run head down all the time.

 

[santeria13]

I don't want to keep shitting on the kid but let's be honest, even if he did have runners or support, he would have head down and run with it anyways. His awareness of his surroundings and his own pace/hold up strength is severely lacking.

He very regularly makes space with a first couple of yards, where he already has the advantage to shift a defender's balance with a hesitation, feint, come inwards and/or play a pass but the majority of the time, he just wants to run forward in a straight line. He doesn't have the raw pace to do that or the technical ability. Heck not even Mbappe could just run head down all the time.

I think he was shit today but he made a couple of good crosses from the byline into the 6 yard box today and Hojlund was miles off. I'd say the bigger problem was the latter. As bad as Rashford was, he seems to have more natural striker instincts than Hojlund.

 

[criticalanalysis]

I think he was shit today but he made a couple of good crosses from the byline into the 6 yard box today and Hojlund was miles off. I'd say the bigger problem was the latter. As bad as Rashford was, he seems to have more natural striker instincts than Hojlund.

They're both bad but at least Hojlund can say 'Ok I only got into the box 3 times out of 10 times but 6 of those times, the ball never came or beat the first defender anyways'. Whereas Garnacho can't say 'Hey out of 10 opportunities, I I created something well with 6 of them', when the truth is closer to half of that.

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

I just don't really like watching him play, as much as I like his attitude. At least picked up his head and tried to square it for Rashford in the first half but got cut out. Should have used his left. Our composure and execution in those transition situations is always so poor these days.

 

[gaffs]

I feel like in this system, he's a centre forward running in behind, or maybe a wingback when we're chasing a game.

He can't take care of the ball enough to be one of the two players behind the striker, especially when Bruno is the other one.

He cant hold up the ball to save his life and has zero aerial presence. He cant play as center forward in this system.

Amorim had Gyökeres and before him Paulinho leading the line. Both 6 foot 2 and used to to bring the number 10s into the game.

If you have seen Sporting play, they dont always play out of the back. The keeper will go long to Gyökeres, who is great at holding it up. Amorim is going want his center forward to do that. The only player we have that fits that mould, who also has a bit of pace, is Hojlund. And he has a lot of improving to do in this area.

 

[gaffs]

I think Garnacho is going to be one of the odd men out in this system. I dont think he is technically good enough to play as one of the tens, be it on the ball or without it.

It would be a brave decision, but he maybe we should cash in on him while his stock is still high.

 

[redshaw]

Strange player that makes the easy things look beyond him but without time to think can pull off some wonderful moments. I hope Amorim can coach him well, I think there's a lot potential for him to carry the ball and be a huge threat, right now he's too anxious and unclear on his next maneuver.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Genuinely I don't think he's quick. He's no quicker than most other wingers it seems. Gordon or Barnes for example at Newcastle look no slower than him - we don't need to get to discussions about Salah, Mbappe or Davies.

I dont even think Bowen is slower.

My point is that Garna issue isn't his pace, he is quick enough for a winger, it's how he plays, Adama is the fastest in the league and he is nowhere near as good as the players you mentioned let alone Salah or Son.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Genuinely I don't think he's quick. He's no quicker than most other wingers it seems. Gordon or Barnes for example at Newcastle look no slower than him - we don't need to get to discussions about Salah, Mbappe or Davies.

I dont even think Bowen is slower.

He was clocked as one of the 10 fastest players in the league a while ago.

He is very quick.

His decision making though is shocking.

 

[klayton88]

Needs benching. He's not a kid on the fringes anymore, he should be doing better. Twice in as many games now he's had the chance to play a square ball for an easy chance and always takes two extra touches and loses the chance, it's criminal. He doesn't get a pass any more. I'm going to get there early on Thursday and scream at him to work on his decision making as he gets off the coach.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He was clocked as one of the 10 fastest players in the league a while ago.

He is very quick.

His decision making though is shocking.

Very surprising. He’s never come across as that quick to me. He’s pretty nippy with the ball at feet doesn’t have rapid acceleration and pace.

Reminds me of how Rooney would keep topping these pace charts and nobody knew why.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Has he ever played a great pass? Like a really inventive pass opening a defence up or something that genuinely impresses. As said above, I think he’s a terrible passer and as a result he probably has one mode and that’s run / dribble towards goal to shoot.

Would love to see him show visible progress in this regard but it’s not apparent so far.

 

[Blood Mage]

He doesn't fit into Amorim's system does he? He's a wide forward and can't really play any other role. Kind of concerning since he's meant to be our future.

 

[RyRy11]

He doesn't fit into Amorim's system does he? He's a wide forward and can't really play any other role. Kind of concerning since he's meant to be our future.

He wont be here if we want to challenge under Amorim. He's a through-ball merchant, we wont be playing the kind of football that was played at Sporting with him in the side. I love the kid but the bigger picture needs to be prioritised, lets hope we get a good chunk of change for him to invest into other areas of the squad.

 

[VP89]

Give him time, He is still quite young and I thought He did ok today
He has everything to be a great player but we’ve got to be patient with him.

He shouldn't be starting so many games though. He's not at the required standard just yet.

 

[TempusFugit]

It feels like he always carries the ball until it's no longer possible for him to get a shooting/scoring opportunity before he tries to lay it off (terribly). He's quickly developed an unearned ego, regarding himself as one of the star players and consequently feeling like he should be the one making headlines with goals. I'm not exaggerating here, if he had better decision making and finishing we'd have scored at least 8-9 more goals in the PL alone this season. He can't keep starting games for us, he's a sub at best while he keeps working on his game.

 

[Ekeke]

Carried a bit of a threat on counters running with the ball, but once again he put his efforts wide. He needs to get them on target as first priority. Dont think its the right role for him as wingback would allow him to be more involved. 43 touches in 85 mins

 

[Giggsyking]

Give him time, He is still quite young and I thought He did ok today
He has everything to be a great player but we’ve got to be patient with him.

We do not have time, he has been playing first team football for the the third season now and still makes multiple u19 mistakes with very bad decision making. Offcourse he has this season to prove he is worth staying. But come the end of the season and he is still doing the same stupid mistakes then he should be considered only a squad option or to be sold.

 

[Judas]

He's technically quick, and yet I never fancy him when he breaks through to out pace chasing defenders, or make the right decision in that area. We see it happen so often. He makes an excellent run, but it crumbles for various reasons.

He's still young, hopefully we good coaching now he can fine tune his game.

Has to stop being so greedy.

 

[lsd]

Garnacho's biggest problem is he is simply not as good as people think he is and he's nowhere close to as good as he thinks he is.

I've seen posts on here saying he is supremely talented and has everything which is absolute nonsense.

He is very good for his age and with proper coaching and a brain could be even better.

The problem is how to develop that footballing brain which he doesn't seem to possess

 

[GueRed]

in a top team at his age he'd be a sub brought in and out of the team to aid his development

for us he's a regular starter..

 

[Shinjch]

Struggling to see how he fits into this system. He is a player who likes to get the ball in behind or in more open spaces, he wants to be threatening the back line instead of finding the spaces between midfield and defence. Unless we change to more of a front two, as opposed to having the two behind the striker, I don't see how this system will fit his qualities.

 

[FrankDrebin]

All heart but no direction at the moment.

 

[elmo]

He’s a bit dumb on the pitch. Everybody knows he’s never going to pass and he’s really only dangerous on the counter because once the defender manages to catch up to him, he’s going to get muscled off the ball.

He’s having a similar year to what Rashford had under Ole where their end product looks great but their actual contribution on the pitch is just awful.

Unless he massively improves on his decision making, we really should move him on.

 

[The Substitute]

Give him time, He is still quite young and I thought He did ok today
He has everything to be a great player but we’ve got to be patient with him.

Some people keep saying this. So please tell me all the aspects he has to be a great player. And in the context of him being 20 years.

I certainly think he lacks some huge components in his game to become a great player.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Give him time, He is still quite young and I thought He did ok today
He has everything to be a great player but we’ve got to be patient with him.

This is so often stated with Garnacho but I don’t actually think it’s true. He certainly has enough talent to be a solid contributor in a good side, but I think he has far too many weaknesses to be classified as someone who has the potential to be great. Even now there’s not one go to thing he does at an extremely high level. Compared to some other recent top potential young players we’ve had over the years:

- Rashford had explosive pace and was instantly a real threat to run in behind
- Martial was a wizard with the ball at his feet, with some of the best dribbling of any young player in the world when he first arrived here
- Greenwood was a two footed freakish ball striker with above average athleticism

Garnacho doesn’t really have an elite trait in comparison to lean on. He’s a decent take on threat but very middling technically, not a great creator as his first tendency is to shoot and his passing/crossing is pretty poor from wide areas, and he’s a solid ball striker but not great and pretty sporadic in front of goal. He has good instincts off the ball for a young forward which helps him grab goals and get into dangerous positions but his natural ability isn’t as high as I think many people believe.

He shouldn't be starting so many games though. He's not at the required standard just yet.

Yeah should pretty clearly be a super sub in majority of games (and he'd be good at it!). I was thinking about it today but I can't really remember a truly great 90 minutes he's played. He's had games where he's done great in getting a goal or an assist or two but his overall play was still just meh. Until he can put a consistent floor of performances together he needs to be an attacking sub, not a starter.

 

[TsuWave]

Every counter attack that he’s leading I find myself saying “release the ball, release the ball” and he never does it until it’s too late/has been closed down/he has no chance to shoot

 

[TsuWave]

Carried a bit of a threat on counters running with the ball, but once again he put his efforts wide. He needs to get them on target as first priority.

What he needs to learn to do is to release/pass the ball on counters. Currently his main/only priority is to try and get a shot-off, which is why more often than not - when he does try to pass it’s too late because he won’t pass until he’s 100% sure he can’t get a shot on target - hence all the “greedy/selfish/poor decision” criticisms in the thread.

Guy needs to spend an entire summer camp with “passing” being instilled into him.

 

[lennardinio]

Really disappointing to read such negativity about one of our young players. For me he's been the shining light for us this season and last. Yes, his decision making isn't always the best, but the same could be said about Ronaldo, his first couple of seasons.

I feel he's being judged unfairly, due to our current predicament. He's been the one trying to carry the team, when as a youngster it shouldn't be his responsibility. If the team was in a better place, he would have had more time to develop as an impact player off the bench, whereas he's felt the pressure to be the one to make things happen.

 

[Red00012]

What he needs to learn to do is to release/pass the ball on counters. Currently his main/only priority is to try and get a shot-off, which is why more often than not - when he does try to pass it’s too late because he won’t pass until he’s 100% sure he can’t get a shot on target - hence all the “greedy/selfish/poor decision” criticisms in the thread.

Guy needs to spend an entire summer camp with “passing” being instilled into him.

All I can think is Alternative MUFC when Rashford gets the ball and the audio is “pass , pass , pass , pass .

 

[lsd]

Really disappointing to read such negativity about one of our young players. For me he's been the shining light for us this season and last. Yes, his decision making isn't always the best, but the same could be said about Ronaldo, his first couple of seasons.

I feel he's being judged unfairly, due to our current predicament. He's been the one trying to carry the team, when as a youngster it shouldn't be his responsibility. If the team was in a better place, he would have had more time to develop as an impact player off the bench, whereas he's felt the pressure to be the one to make things happen.

It's stuff like this which is the problem with him. He is nowhere near Ronaldo and never will be yet he believes he is

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

It's stuff like this which is the problem with him. He is nowhere near Ronaldo and never will be yet he believes he is

Convinced people who think he’s even close to young Ronaldo never actually watched young Ronaldo. His decision making was equally as infuriating but that’s about where the similarities end. Even at 18 Ronaldo had absurd technique in a bigger frame with world class explosiveness.

 

[Redstain]

He is a substitute, it doesn't matter of his age that's the criteria of showing promise but this is not a thread on Garnacho's supposed potential it's a thread on his performance, which means being reflective of what he's doing right now.

Those saying he needs time are otherwise affirming that he's not good enough for the first team.

The legacy of Erik Ten Hag aside from his accolades for winning domestic cups is formulating a United team that is substitute level in almost every wide / forward position beyond the midfield.

Garnacho starting games is a monumental problem.