[Mike Smalling]

For how frustrating he can be, I always do get the sense that there is just something about Garnacho. He always works really hard, doesn't let his head drop, and he gets into good positions. That's a really good foundation, and then he obviously has a lot of technical talent as well. It just his decision making that is mostly letting him down, but that should improve with age and experience.

I also like that he keeps adding to his output every season. First year it was 10 G/A, then 15 last season, and already he is at 11 this year, so he should end taking it another step up.

 

[romufc]

For how frustrating he can be, I always do get the sense that there is just something about Garnacho. He always works really hard, doesn't let his head drop, and he gets into good positions. That's a really good foundation, and then he obviously has a lot of technical talent as well. It just his decision making that is mostly letting him down, but that should improve with age and experience.

I also like that he keeps adding to his output every season. First year it was 10 G/A, then 15 last season, and already he is at 11 this year, so he should end taking it another step up.

He is 20, he will be frustrating. I am not sure why other fans think at that age one should be a finished article.

Like you say, he works hard, keeps going, which is all you can ask for from a young player. His confidence doesn't drop, look at the last goal, some would say he is low on confidence but wraps one in top bins.

He clearly has some quality, just needs to be nurtured by the right coach, hopefully Amorim can improve him.

 

[Matt851]

Should play ahead of Rashford. Even if he's having a stinker his relentless energy is a positive to the team still unlike Rashford being his usual lethargic self.

He still needs to be rotated, it's just a shame our other options are a bit rubbish

 

[afrocentricity]

You’re debating two different things. Players getting shit online and players being confronted by youtubers/whatnot where the content is put online.

and you're trying to make a distinction because you're part of the former and hate being lumped in with the later?

 

[NotChatGPT]

and you're trying to make a distinction because you're part of the former and hate being lumped in with the later?

Are you saying there isn’t a difference?

 

[Mike Smalling]

He is 20, he will be frustrating. I am not sure why other fans think at that age one should be a finished article.

Like you say, he works hard, keeps going, which is all you can ask for from a young player. His confidence doesn't drop, look at the last goal, some would say he is low on confidence but wraps one in top bins.

He clearly has some quality, just needs to be nurtured by the right coach, hopefully Amorim can improve him.

It's because this club keeps putting young players in positions they shouldn't necessarily be in. In the case of Garnacho he is pretty much always a starter, and currently our most reliable G/A output, when he probably should be rotated in and out as part of a much higher quality forward line. It's similar to how Mainoo shouldn't be starting every game when fit, or how Højlund shouldn't be leading the line on his own. So these players end up being judged as finished first teamers, when that's not where they be if the squad was in a better state.

 

[Adisa]

It’s something he’s going to have to deal with. Sulking cause of criticism from fans won’t get you anywhere. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

 

[santeria13]

The criticism of the lad has been completely over the top recently. One of the few attacking players we have that constantly tries to make something happen, never hides or shirks responsibility, never gives up and has the ability to produce what he did yesterday. Yes he needs to add consistency to his game but he’s 20 years old. One of the few players we have that I wouldn’t sell for any price. He should be one of the key pieces of the team going forward.

Give me a young player like that every single time over a player like Rashford who just constantly hides and does the absolute bare minimum (if that).

Reminds me of Nani back in the day. He’d have games where nothing would come off but he’d keep going and going but then the crowd would get on his back and start groaning etc I just hope this episode hasn’t soured things and we don’t end up losing him. Himself, Yoro & Mainoo should be the bedrock of the next United team we build.

I agree. He's been our most consistent and dangerous attacking player at 20 years old in a dysfunctional, struggling team. It boggles the mind how he's come under so much fire recently. See Rashford, he's been shit for 4 years with a purple patch for 6 months nested in between. He's also a lot older so the criticism is warranted in my opinion.

20 year old players aren't consistent in general and they are not a finished product, yet the expectations seem to be so high for him in comparison.

 

[NotChatGPT]

For how frustrating he can be, I always do get the sense that there is just something about Garnacho. He always works really hard, doesn't let his head drop, and he gets into good positions. That's a really good foundation, and then he obviously has a lot of technical talent as well. It just his decision making that is mostly letting him down, but that should improve with age and experience.

I also like that he keeps adding to his output every season. First year it was 10 G/A, then 15 last season, and already he is at 11 this year, so he should end taking it another step up.

Yep. Not really concerned for him under Amorim, he works hard and puts in quite a lot of defensive shifts, i think he’ll give his best no matter how Amorim sees his future.

 

[afrocentricity]

I think Nacho can be criticised on aspects of his game, my point is never against legit criticism (Rashford for example). It's that some of you go too far - its the internet of course you do, and from time to time I'll say something about it...

 

[romufc]

It's because this club keeps putting young players in positions they shouldn't necessarily be in. In the case of Garnacho he is pretty much always a starter, and currently our most reliable G/A output, when he probably should be rotated in and out as part of a much higher quality forward line. It's similar to how Mainoo shouldn't be starting every game when fit, or how Højlund shouldn't be leading the line on his own. So these players end up being judged as finished first teamers, when that's not where they be if the squad was in a better state.

Agreed but its all well and good blaming the club, in the past over the Ed and Murtough tenure, they were a bit lost but the managers have to take alot of blame too.

We say.. he is a starter but the managers got backed with Rashford new deal, Sancho 70m and Antony 80m, if those players did what they needed to, then Garnacho wouldn't be in this situation.

Mainoo doesn't need to start, we can see it this season, Ugarte and Casemiro have shown why you need a proper midfield.

 

[NotChatGPT]

It’s something he’s going to have to deal with. Sulking cause of criticism from fans won’t get you anywhere. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

It depends what it is. There’s a vast difference between the normal stuff posted online, which the vast majority of well known players get, and being approached by knobs who are only interested in creating a situation to make a name for themselves online.

 

[groovyalbert]

The kid has just turned 20, is one of the most exciting prospects we've developed in years and is also one of our most impactful players.

He's our top scorer this season and on course to have a 20 goal season. That's pretty impressive for a winger his age in a team that struggles to score and create.

He is far from a finished product yet but I think the criticism he's come under is as much due to how bad players around him have been.

Compared to other wingers we've had at his age, I'd argue he has the highest output of any since Giggs (and I'm including the likes of Nani and Ronaldo in that, although not suggesting his ceiling is high as the latter).

We should be enjoying him and giving him license to develop and learn. I do agree he should probably not be starting every game just yet, he looks a lot more impactful from the bench especially in the league.

 

[Champ]

Why well done? He shouldn't care, let the negative toxicity go and show his worth by playing ball.

As long as he has a football career, he will be confronted with toxicity. As soon as he shows he doesn't care that much, it'll stop or becomes much less.

His stats are great, but he's made much (dumb) errors last months. He should learn from them, learn from Casemiro, Bruno and the other seniors in the squad.

He will be a real great if he can learn from his mistakes and decision making. But at his age he'll need to work for it, he's not at that greatness already to act like a celebrity.

I have faith in him, but he needs to show the willingness to fight for his place and the badge.

I think he's one of the few who has been showing willingness and fight for the club, he shouldn't have to expect toxic behaviour from so called supporters of his own club.
Yes, expect criticism, yes expect expectations from the fans but not the crap that he has been getting.
It's quite frankly a damning indictment of the modern football 'fan'.

And it's pretty clear he hasn't let the negative feedback affect his game, he is still producing and working incredibly hard.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Yes he needs to add consistency to his game but he’s 20 years old.

the 20 year old kid

He’s only 20

he's only just 20.

He will be a great player, he's got things to iron out but he's 20 and is bound to.

He is 20

at 20 years old in a dysfunctional, struggling team.

The kid has just turned 20

Just looking through the posts today, does anyone know how old he is? I'm not quite sure.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[keithsingleton]

Just looking through the posts today, does anyone know how old he is? I'm not quite sure.

Think he’s 20

 

[Mr Pigeon]

I still think this is brilliant.

Garnacho: I didn't celebrate because I think I've lost the support of some fans and as a twenty year old that's difficult for me to process.

Some fans: fecking cnut, why didn't he celebrate? He's lost my support now.

 

[Solius]

Pic makes it look like he's just floored Martinez and is celebrating the knockout.

 

[noodlehair]

You’re debating two different things. Players getting shit online and players being confronted by youtubers/whatnot where the content is put online.

I'm not?

I'm debating the fact some people seem to think Garnacho being affected by the youtube idiot is somehow weak on his part, when in reality it was just a really sad and twattish thing to do to him, and not in the least bit surprising it would upset or piss him off.

Online forums etc. are different but even then a lot of what ends up on here for example is ridiculous and more just pointless attacks than actual fair criticism.

The idea footballers don't notice it or should be immune to their own fans turning on them is stupid. The video in this thread of Garnacho seeing the kid chanting for him and giving him his shirt is a perfect example of how fans attitude to players does filter through to them and can have a negative (or positive) reaction.

 

[Matt Varnish]

It's because this club keeps putting young players in positions they shouldn't necessarily be in. In the case of Garnacho he is pretty much always a starter, and currently our most reliable G/A output, when he probably should be rotated in and out as part of a much higher quality forward line. It's similar to how Mainoo shouldn't be starting every game when fit, or how Højlund shouldn't be leading the line on his own. So these players end up being judged as finished first teamers, when that's not where they be if the squad was in a better state.

Cough!
Class of 92
Cough
Busby Babes

If you are good enough, you are old enough

 

[Mike Smalling]

Cough!
Class of 92
Cough
Busby Babes

If you are good enough, you are old enough

Yeah, that's the point. They aren't good enough for where we want to be.

 

[Glorio]

There were several posters on here agreeing with that guy’s behaviour. Insanity.

Wasn't it just one guy?

 

[Matt Varnish]

Yeah, that's the point. They aren't good enough for where we want to be.

I saw a comment the other day from Roy Keane about this very player.
He said something like "he's all speed but no talent, he's not a Ronaldo or Giggs".
I'mnot saying Keano is right, but when have you seen Garnacho leave a player on his back side by tying his blood in knots?

 

[noodlehair]

More on the thread topic as well. I think sometimes when you support a team and watch a player every week, you have a tendancy to focus more on the negative, because you see every bad touch or mistake.

Garnacho is also a 20 year old winger in a team struggling to score goals. So even if he got to 20+ goals this season, which would be ridiculous in the circumstances, there are still going to be games where he missed this or that chance and then we went on to lose, because no one else is putting the ball in the back of the net either.

Ronaldo and Rooney used to miss chances for fun, particularly Rooney, but we'd win 4-1 so it'd be forgotten about or seen as a positive that they were able to create the chances to begin with.

Garnacho is a frustrating player at times but the amount of positions or threatening situations he gets into is very encouraging and does't happen by accident.

 

[FrankDrebin]

The class of 92 were slowly integrated into a experienced title winning side and managed by one of greatest managers ever. The young players at the club haven't got that luxury and I have alot of sympathy with how most of them are just thrown in nowadays post SAF. The management of the club has been negligent post SAF.

I saw a comment the other day from Roy Keane about this very player.
He said something like "he's all speed but no talent, he's not a Ronaldo or Giggs".
I'mnot saying Keano is right, but when have you seen Garnacho leave a player on his back side by tying his blood in knots?

If Keane said that he's a fecking idiot. Garnacho clearly has talent.

 

[Mike Smalling]

I saw a comment the other day from Roy Keane about this very player.
He said something like "he's all speed but no talent, he's not a Ronaldo or Giggs".
I'mnot saying Keano is right, but when have you seen Garnacho leave a player on his back side by tying his blood in knots?

Garnacho isn't a particularly strong dribbler really. He also doesn't have to be. If he improved his finishing and decision making, he could be a really effective player. He's just not quite there yet, which is fine for a 20 year old. Our problem is we rely so heavily on him.

 

[Oranges038]

He is 20, he will be frustrating. I am not sure why other fans think at that age one should be a finished article.

Like you say, he works hard, keeps going, which is all you can ask for from a young player. His confidence doesn't drop, look at the last goal, some would say he is low on confidence but wraps one in top bins.

He clearly has some quality, just needs to be nurtured by the right coach, hopefully Amorim can improve him.

I watched a video of Ronaldo's first season highlights at Utd, the music is terrible, but there's a lot of similarities in terms of decision making/shooting, passing, crossing. Just knowing when and how to release the ball.

Garnacho has a lot of good technial and physical qualities, he's still kind of growing into his frame, so I'd expect he will become physically stronger over the next couple if years. But, it's the mental side of the game where his biggest development should come over the next year or two. This comes with time, good guidance and more experience on the pitch. If he's still making the same silly decisions over and over in a few years then it'll be a problem.

At 20, he really shouldn't be carrying the burden of being Utd's go to winger to make something happen.

 

[Jerom]

I think he's one of the few who has been showing willingness and fight for the club, he shouldn't have to expect toxic behaviour from so called supporters of his own club.
Yes, expect criticism, yes expect expectations from the fans but not the crap that he has been getting.
It's quite frankly a damning indictment of the modern football 'fan'.

And it's pretty clear he hasn't let the negative feedback affect his game, he is still producing and working incredibly hard.

I agree with you it's unbelievable what garbage people put on the internet from behind their safe phones or computers these days. The fact is the players need to handle it, they shouldn't be doing that alone, they need support from professionals.

I agree with you Garnacho usually works his socks off. But the way he lost the ball lately where Casemiro freaked out on him, I got the feeling he thought he was too good to run for it to defend together with Case. And that feeling is what I have more lately when I see him play.

He doesn't need that, he can be one of the great ones, but needs to work for it, for now.

 

[Matt Varnish]

Garnacho isn't a particularly strong dribbler really. He also doesn't have to be. If he improved his finishing and decision making, he could be a really effective player. He's just not quite there yet, which is fine for a 20 year old. Our problem is we rely so heavily on him.

It's up to the senior players to coach that into him, both on and off the pitch.
I've only seen it doen once, and that was last week against Chelsea when Casemiro gave him a cussing for not passing and losing the ball, he needs mre of that, not just players throwing their arms in the ir.

 

[NotChatGPT]

I'm not?

I'm debating the fact some people seem to think Garnacho being affected by the youtube idiot is somehow weak on his part, when in reality it was just a really sad and twattish thing to do to him, and not in the least bit surprising it would upset or piss him off.

Online forums etc. are different but even then a lot of what ends up on here for example is ridiculous and more just pointless attacks than actual fair criticism.

The idea footballers don't notice it or should be immune to their own fans turning on them is stupid. The video in this thread of Garnacho seeing the kid chanting for him and giving him his shirt is a perfect example of how fans attitude to players does filter through to them and can have a negative (or positive) reaction.

Some social media cnut approaching a player with the sole purpose of filming in hope of getting a response that will generate clicks, is very different from RandomFan96 writing online that the player is a shite knobhead, imo.

When that’s said, i’m not entirely sure why the comments from the social media knob should generate anything else than bemusement.

«'Garnacho, you got to pass better today yeah, please. Pass better today, score a goal, and work on your first touch as well, yeah?'»

 

[Ish]

I wonder what Bruno was saying to him - i think they had a long chat on-field during a break in play, after Garnacho's goal. Probably something to do with his non-celebration? Words of encouragement/wisdom, I'm sure.

 

[afrocentricity]

I wonder what Bruno was saying to him - i think they had a long chat on-field during a break in play, after Garnacho's goal. Probably something to do with his non-celebration? Words of encouragement/wisdom, I'm sure.

I suspect it's a conversation in the dressing room, and probably always has been... someone in that dressing room (with clout) needs to be telling players to back away from social media and just crack on.... but who would that be? No Keanos and no Fergies

 

[Ish]

I suspect it's a conversation in the dressing room, and probably always has been... someone in that dressing room (with clout) needs to be telling players to back away from social media and just crack on.... but who would that be? No Keanos and no Fergies

Yeah, you'd be hoping some of the senior players could/would/should take up that mantle (Bruno/Maguire - hell, even de Ligt who has the experience). Have a word with the young ones, guiding them etc.

But yeah, we've lacked some strong leaders in our squad post SAF. Probably more then likely to do with the type/profile of "galactico" players we targeted and signed on inflated fees/wages etc. Would be interesting to know what that convo/the non-celebration was all about anyway.

 

[JJ12]

There's a player with huge potential in there, hope it gets realised

 

[Matt Varnish]

I wonder what Bruno was saying to him - i think they had a long chat on-field during a break in play, after Garnacho's goal. Probably something to do with his non-celebration? Words of encouragement/wisdom, I'm sure.

In his post match interview he was sked that question, and he said that he told Garnacho he should celebrate a goal like that, and not let one idiot ruin the moment.

 

[P-Nut]

Heard on TOTD if social media was as prevalent when Ronaldo came through he'd have been getting the same abuse Garnacho does. He was incredibly frustrating at first.

Garnacho works his socks off each and every game and never gives up, if there's anyone in the squad that sums up United DNA at the moment it's Garnacho.

 

[Ish]

In his post match interview he was sked that question, and he said that he told Garnacho he should celebrate a goal like that, and not let one idiot ruin the moment.

Thanks Matt. Assuming the one idiot reference is that guy on social media who uploaded the video of him telling Garnacho to pass/play better etc? Fecking weirdo that "supposed" fan. I fecking hate how social media have brought all these cretins to bear (bare?), all seeking their 10 seconds of fame at the expense of anyone/anything.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

For whatever reason, he's twice the player coming off the bench than he is starting. Not a reputation he probably wants but for the moment that's how United should get the best out of him. Give Rashford 60 minutes to produce something and if he doesn't, Garnacho comes in.

The lad's got talent but he's very raw. As is well documented, often makes the wrong decisions which is going to frustrate fans, regardless of his age.

I always try to be fair when assessing any United player. If it's a player I like but he's played shit, I'm not going to say he played well! I don't know what that achieves.

Similarly, if it's a player I don't like but he's done well, I'll acknowledge it.

 

[honirelandboy]

He reminds me a lot of Salah and ten times better than he was at his age. Not an out an out winger, more of an inverted winger cutting inside. Its a pity we have to reply so much on him when Rashford and Anthony are complete and utterly inconsistent and average players. There meant to be our first choice. Garnacho and Diallo have shown Rashford and Anthony they are better players and at any other top club should be the other way around. I'd be all for selling Rashford and Anthony in the Summer and getting one new winger to lighten the load and Garnacho and Diallo along with a new striker. Replacement for Casemeiro is needed as well. New winger, New Striker, New winger, New CM in the summer and hopefully offload the deadwood.