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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 18
- Goals
- 7
- Assists
- 4
- Yellow cards
- 1
Nice goal. Still feel he should be rotated.
Does he? Or are his numbers better? I don't know myself as I don't follow all those players. But I am fairly confident, that most fans would still take those players over him - even if he adds another 3 month of good numbers to it.
This is the problem with alot of people on here and other fans, just because he earns the money, he should be able to deal with the abuse. Fecking pathethic reasoning. He's not done anything wrong yet recieved a pile one from so called United fans on social media so he should be able to react how he sees fit.
Completely agree. We're 13th in the table, with a goal difference of 0 and up until the last two games we've been absolutely rotten at scoring goals with every forward out of form or struggling- I can understand the frustration and I share it. Criticism and fan frustration is normal. But stuff like that influencer being rude to him is too much and there's no need for personal stuff.
To be honest as much as I'll defend Garnacho, I really dislike things like this. He's nowhere near the player Mbappe is, and nor should he be expected to be yet. He isn't as good a player as Foden is either. I don't get what these things are supposed to do other than lead to scenarios where 'He scored this week, this player didn't, so he's much better!1!!' which is essentially what those who present stats like in the Tweet ultimately want to reduce every footballing chat down to.
Garnacho is 20. He's a fantastic talent and has been playing in a very dysfunctional team since his debut. He's gonna be mega and is already doing really well. Imagine if rashford and hojlund had as many goals and assists as him so far. Or even close
Yep, it's how the justify their shitty behaviour to themselves. The best part is they say he has to take it, and when he gives it back they all start moaning.
Statman Dave's whole gimmick is just cherry picking stats to flatter United players. Completely pointless exercise.
'Statman Dave' is a fecking berk so that explains it really.
He's human and we all deal with things differently. Just because ones on here apparently could deal with abuse doesn't mean he can.
He's not alone though. The art of evaluating performance has died. Some people can watch a player all season and genuinely seem to hold no other opinion on how he's played other than the results of a google search of his stats.
"How did he play this year? Well he got 8 assists and 15 goals. So pretty good!" - it's the one thing about modern football discourse I struggle with the most. It's like reducing enjoyment of music to the number of downloads a song gets "What do I think of the song? Number 1 in 7 countries this week, I think that tells you everything you need to know!" - sorry, no. We all know there are so many different ways players can influence a game that goes beyond getting the penultimate touch before the ball goes in the net. Yet appreciation for this seems to be waning in favour of "4 in 10 and he's scored the most goals with the outside of his left foot than any other 24 year old Aquarius across the top 4 European leagues over the last 8 sundays" - woop?
What I like about Garnacho is his bravery. Yes it doesn't work all the time, even most of the time. But he's so bold with the ball that when he develops and everything slots into place, that's going to be very exciting to watch
I interpreted the tweet as providing a bit of perspective in defense of Garnacho after the criticism he has received recently, rather than it simply meaning "player A has scored and assisted more than players B, C and & D, therefore player A is much better".
Disagree. Ronaldo was not a freak at 18. The only complete players I’ve seen at that age were Brazilian Ronaldo, Rooney and then Messi. Suppose can also add Halaand as a pure striker. Ronaldo didn’t become world class until his penultimate season and out of this world in his last season at United.
Early on. Ronaldo was a very talented winger, the main aspects of his game was dribbling and trickery. He was often very frustrating. No one looked at him and thought he’d become the goal machine he became. Yes we all realised that with time he’d become a world class winger but don’t get it twisted he often drew sighs of frustration from the crowd, and from what I’m hearing even the players got very frustrated with him.
Of course I’m not saying Garnacho can become as good as Ronaldo went onto become. But remembering both very clearly I know Garnacho’s first 2 seasons are thus far better in regards to productivity, being direct , getting into the actual positions required.
Both have pros and cons. Garnacho is in a much worse performing team and has had managers with no clear vision for him. But he’s played in a 433 where wide players get more chances.
Ronaldo started in a 442 so was more often much wider and further away from goal. But was playing in an elite team and had one manager who always had a plan for him.
People used to tear their hair out over Ronaldo and his million step overs.
Your should never ever write off a 20 years old. There are plenty of world class talents historically that were pretty much unknown at that age. He's a talented player, so what happens next is entirely up to him.
Small point but Ronaldo was actually better in his penultimate season.
Do we really have people here arguing that Garnacho isn't good enough because he has better scoring and assist stats than a multitude of other players? Players that they would take over Garnacho because they...have inferior stats?
He's 20, making more of an impact than some of the so called world stars of football, in a United team that have had almost made scoring goals impossible, and some of you people are saying he's not good enough and the goals and assists actually means nothing? fecking hell, some of you lot are practically begging the kid to leave just so you can moan about that as well.
He's 20, making more of an impact than some of the so called world stars of football, in a United team that have had almost made scoring goals impossible, and some of you people are saying he's not good enough and the goals and assists actually means nothing? fecking hell, some of you lot are practically begging the kid to leave just so you can moan about that as well.
I remember lurking on the cafe around 2004-06 and some on here wanted Ronaldo sold. He was so frustrating to watch at times.
Rooney was the superior player at the time. It wasn’t until WC06 that Ronaldo truly came into his own. He came back from that tournament a world class player.
I would say Ronaldo was a freak talent, wasn't the finished article but it was clear to see he was going to become one of the best in the world IMO
Also, his best season was the penultimate one with us and his last one he wasnt as good as he clearly wanted the Madrid move after the end of the 08 season and the CL win
That is very well said.
Completely agree.
Yep agree, would be interesting to see some of the so call 'ard men' around here deal with the same thing.
Not writing off Garnacho. Think he’ll become a world class player, sadly most likely not at United for his peak. But Messi & Ronaldo are 2 benchmarks no players should be compared to.
What's really annoying is United fans are renowned for sticking by players regardless of how they're playing but that gets spoiled by random faceless nobodies on twitter and one random attention seeking dickhead outside the ground.
He’s the problem not the abusive fans
The reaction the other day was so over the top. You'd swear he was Obertan or Bebe.
He has a lot to hone in his game, but damn is he not making much more of an effort than many...and he's actually producing.
He needs to be refined, but we'd be crazy to have him do so elsewhere.
100% something a lot of people need to understand especially when it comes to our young players and new signings.
And no, before someone says it, we don’t expect every young player or new signing to reach those heights. But Ronaldo is one example, Evra & Vidic are two others, De Gea also another.
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Foden's been injured most of the season too, plus most of Garnacho's contributions have come in the mickey mouse cup.
You think that was what I wanted to say with my comment towards you?
Just for the record, that was my initial comment towards you - and you think my point was that he is the problem?
Any chance somebody takes himself a little too seriously?
I think Amad has to be ahead of Garnacho in the queue for those front 3 positions.
Trouble with these influencers is they have far too much influence.
Garnacho is second in the queue behind him then. Rashford is well behind. Depends how he wants to play. Garnacho came on for Rashford today, so it is him under threat not Garnacho.
You’re correct about his best season for United and when he became above world class. It was the year we won the CL. In his last season he started slow and there was that talk of him being unhappy before he picked up a bit.
It isn't just online abuse though, we have YouTubers confronting them in person, on camera, saying shit to their face too, as happened with Garnacho recently
I’ve lost interest now. Sorry.
Glad he got that goal! He needed it. Whether he’s good enough to play for us or not the abuse he got the last few weeks clearly got to him in the wrong way, but hopefully it can inspire him to concentrate on improving on his weaknesses and becoming atleast a reliable attacking player for us under Amorim.
Such a shame. I am sure others would have loved the train of thought that created your comment in the first place.
Anyone criticising Garnacho (or the other young players for that matter ) at this stage of his development/career is an entitled knobhead. Simple as.
These kids need patience, understanding and support. Alejandro is a fantastic player and will only get better. To think he might have his confidence knocked, or decide to leave because of some gobby dick in the car park is heartbreaking. I hope they are proud of themselves.
These kids need patience, understanding and support. Alejandro is a fantastic player and will only get better. To think he might have his confidence knocked, or decide to leave because of some gobby dick in the car park is heartbreaking. I hope they are proud of themselves.
Love watching Garnacho grow playing for us. You can see he has everything in his game to be an excellent player in a year or two, we have to make sure that we keep him and continue his development. We’ll have a world class talent on our hands if we do.