The difference here is if ETH stays, the relationship would remain tenuous at best because he would know him staying was a consolation because the likes of Tuchel weren’t interested.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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of course I don’t know for sure did you read my post?
I’m not sure why people dislike Poch so much thought he was the best choice given the options.
He was easily the best choice. Probably the only one of the four who would have built a sustainable team.
yeah people get hung up on trophies won but he was managing Southampton, Spurs and a broken Chelsea not exactly the contenders for silverware.
Even Chelsea started playing well before he was sacked though he was doing a decent job there.
Becasue he has failed to win the league with PSG? Because he has won nothing? Because has a pot with lemon tree on his desk to collect bad energy?
Min actually buying the narrative that he is not a yes man Ashworth wants
He won the league with PSG in his only full season at the club.
Either Gareth “mediocrity” Southgate or Graham “Harry” Potter are worst options than Ten Hag.
De Zerbi for me is in the same echelon.
Tuchel has higher pedigree, but I see him as a modern day Mou, not a manager for a long term project, but someone who will give us silverware in short term. That’s not bad, considering he could lay the foundations as Mou did in Madrid.
Poch… haven’t won anything in England. For me is a risk.
Yes, comfortably so as well
If he does stay then he knows his time is up next season and any bad results during the season could expedite the decision. Is the hope he walks so they don’t pay compensation? How can they plan for the future if the manager only has a season left on his contract? If they believe and trust in him then give him an extension for another 2 seasons and back him in the market.
How it’s actually going, United are trying to cut ties and get another manager in but can’t find the right candidate for the job so are “stuck” with ETH for the season.
How it’s actually going, United are trying to cut ties and get another manager in but can’t find the right candidate for the job so are “stuck” with ETH for the season.
We could try Glasner
Don't know much about Frank. Is he any good?
This narrative annoys me. Let's start about how Ashworth sees his job
https://www.ucfb.ac.uk/news/brighton-s-dan-ashworth-describes-role-of-technical-director/
"We would work off of a traffic light system; the recruitment department have got to like the player; the player has got to stack up on data and numbers like the contract and if we can afford him; and the first team manager has got to like the player. If all three things get the green light, then we’ll go ahead. If one is orange, then we need to have a discussion “
Is there much back and forth with the manager when debating the possibility of signing a player? “Yes, of course,” Ashworth explains. “They’re big, multi-million-pound decisions. If it didn’t go backwards and forwards, then there’d be something wrong!
“In any business, if there’s a multi-million-pound decision then several people will be getting involved. It’s healthy debate and constructive conflict. Graham might say “I like this player” and we ask “why?” because we think another player can do X, Y, and Z better and is better value. We then either agree or disagree, then sign the player, or we don’t.”
“I’ve got to get on the right page with whichever head coach I’m working with. I’ve got to understand their philosophy, what they want from their team and what they like and dislike, because there’s no point in me bringing them in a player that I know isn’t going to be any good to them.”
Now of course this modus operandi might irk someone who wants to turn us into an Eredivisie XI. It might also irk a manager who wants to keep involving the agency that represents him who also happens to be the same agency in which his own son works with. However that's hardly a dictatorship.
Let's not forget that Klopp was overridden regarding Brandt because Liverpool top brass wanted a certain Salah instead. So these things do happen at well run clubs. Now we're talking about Klopp here not someone who thinks that Antony is a United level RW
Totally agree, but if he's out of the running... I guess I'd take De Zerbi, bit unproven but his Brighton team played some good football before the wheels fell off. I've got no interest in Southgate, Frank, or Potter
I know it's important to take time in important decisions like these but I'm surprised there hasn't been more clarity on our managerial future from INEOS.
When Bayern contacted Crystal Palace they requested a fee of 100 million for him
INEOS are having a shocker. They should’ve had viable replacements lined up in April let alone mid June.
Is that likely at this stage? If as has been reported is true you don't talk to multiple managers unless you are making a change. As you say it's not a good look and would undermine Erik if he ended up staying on.
This will just be Ratcliffe and Ineos not being prepared for just how much scuitiny is on Manchester United at all times. They probably thought they could take the patient approach and go about things quietly.
Only the french league and the french cup with PSG. But don't let the truth get in the way of your argument.
There are four scenarios here:
1. ETH is staying. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => Logical path.
2. ETH is staying. INEOS did meet other managers => This is not a path sensible people will take and does not reflect well upon INEOS if true.
3. ETH is leaving. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => INEOS is stupid.
4. ETH is leaving. INEOS did meet other managers => Logical path.
Going by this, I'd guess if they met with other managers, it probably means ETH has been informed already that he's going to be fired. Then why hasn't he been shown the door yet before his holiday?
Which makes me believe 1 is the most logical step and the journos don't have a clue.
Why would you keep him until mid-June if you aren’t willing to let him continue under any circumstances though? I’m as much ETH out as anyone on here but the way this saga has been handled is a complete mess and undermines him more than he ever deserved. Unless there’s communication between the club and him behind the scenes, of which there seems to be hardly any indication at all, this is not the way any employee should be treated.
I think it is quite clear we’ve met other managers. If we haven’t the club should straighten up all the media stories, I don’t really buy the whole ‘we are going to remain silent and not get dragged into media circus’ when what is being reported reflects badly on you.
Aye, it's the same shite articles over and over. Utd don't owe these cnuts anything and the longer they can keep them in the dark the better.Exhuasting the media into submission, so they just shut up. It's genius
I think there are 2 main factors:
1. The constant media fawning over him despite his lack of achievements, and glossing over times when his team losses. By contrast whoever manages us is constantly vilified, so this created resentment
2. Poch constantly shilling for himself using his @amadeus alt account on this forum also pissed off a lot of CAF posters.
If the players would have strived for credibility on a consistent basis the club would not have finished where they did.
You don't know for sure. It's maybe pure media speculation (stories about Utd gets clicks), some "ITK" on Twitter, and possibly hype stories by the manager's agents. The only ever official account by Sir Jim is that we are working to place a proper structure first, then it would be possible to properly evaluate ETH as a manager
On their part INEOS has also not given out the dreaded "vote of confidence" publicly lest they indeed have plans to replace him.
Im not trying to pretend that I'm in the room, maybe you should reread the post.
I said it's clear what they're doing, and I'm commenting at how bad their logic is.
Ineosloth
I'm fully Ten Hag in but I'm really surprised that no one has ever mentioned Marco Silva as a potential replacement. Genuinely think he could do very well with a better club, always does well and develops players too.
Come on mate. You know that's not true, we've had journalists reporting this with good track history of not speculating. They've even specified what the line from the club was and what the line from the manager was after the meetings were held.
Exactly.
Also I find it strange not to sack him(if they want him gone) as soon as the season ended.
I know one thing though, getting players to sign up with the future manager still up in the air is much harder than having a set manager.
Yes, though that's not really about the point I made.
Exactly this... I don't get it either. If you already decided to sack him, just do it. If you want to make a review after the season, do it together with the manager to see if you agree on what has to change and then decide if you go the way with or without him. Starting a review after the season has ended, but not including the manager just looks wrong to me.
It is really, because it's just speculation and when the news came out before the FA cup it was said to be a leak and that he'd be fired win or lose.
I think this is INEOS's first mistake and it will impact the transfers in and out 100% they need to say something soon its either continue with the open heart surgery or back to player power.. IMO
Its not "just speculation". Journalists with known connections to Manchester United did not say he'd be sacked irrespective of the result, either.
I think United would bite back against the "yes man" claim that ESPN(?) claimed they wantedNot a single manager in the world is guaranteed of anything, not even pip!
First time ever that I actually agree with you.
I also think they've asked Eric to do the same and he's probably drawn a line somewhere. You don't go from wanting and basically demanding that amount of control to becoming a lap dog especially if you don't really need the money.
I bet TT said something like call me when you realise no decent manager is going to sign up to be the doormat
But it has struck me a bit over the recent years why the likes of Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern at times haven't just got one of the best managers available and have instead got someone much less proven. I have extremely limited knowledge into what the actual reason is, but it seems to me that clubs nowadays like to set up so that the manager changes don't affect recruitment or the clubs style. And the best managers will usually always want more control than that. We've experienced many new beginnings where our managers are responsible for everything. So perhaps it is the most efficient way to operate now?
And although Southgate personally makes me break out in hives, the idea of getting an International manager might make sense in that regard because they are used to just working with what is provided for them, rather than signing their own players. And the crux of their job is simply coaching and getting the best out of what they have and creating the correct environment.
De Zerbi? The Soccer Manager? Great. INEOS here. Working from home? Great. This may seem an odd question, but… Have you been to Disneyland?