Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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keyword "predicting"; that says it all
They might well keep Ten Hag. But I see them going for other managers before considering Southgate that's for sure.
The optimist in me is inclined to see this as a good thing long term. Sir Jim needs to learn a few humbling lessons. You can’t run a club like MU like a typing pool. I suspect his line of chat with Tuchel was cringey. Can he hang on to Ten Hag, is the question? Southgate, now that would be like a new Father Ted episode.
Honestly think theyve done more damage to their own reputation
The concerns with Tuchel were reported. If everything is baseless speculation to you just stop reading their tweets until you see an announcement on the website?
Let's assume just for the sake of argument that there's no such thing as end of season review at all, and no interviews with potential managers are happening. If that was the case, ineos look incredibly weak by allowing the press to run wild with all kinds of speculation. So I think it's much probable that they are indeed just unsure what to do right now, hence no official statements from the club just yet. Which makes EtH look like an absolute lame duck right now, I just don't see how he will enter the new season and even pre season without some sort of confidence statement like a new contract from the upper management.
Genuinely surprised to see Poch ruled out as I thought he was the obvious candidate. I guess Frank or de Zerbi then. Frank seems more like a yes man.
The consistent theme emerging is that INEOS want to build up the club around their own infrastructure and long term tactical outlook and not around the thoughts of any individual manager who might come through. This is undoubtedly correct in principle but what is that tactical outlook? If it is Gareth Southgate's boring basic b*tch cautionball then we might as well burn the next ten years right now. I thought ETH had the right ideas personally but obviously INEOS don't.
The consistent theme emerging is that INEOS want to build up the club around their own infrastructure and long term tactical outlook and not around the thoughts of any individual manager who might come through. This is undoubtedly correct in principle but what is that tactical outlook? If it is Gareth Southgate's boring basic b*tch cautionball then we might as well burn the next ten years right now. I thought ETH had the right ideas personally but obviously INEOS don't.
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The Poch news is the best thing to happen to the club since beating City.
I still think it's crazy people in this thread say "he's not going to be replaced by someone that's better than him at this point so might as well stick it out" - so matter of factly about a manager that finished 8th.
Even if you rate him, surely one can see that's not really a clear cut thing (and I'm being diplomatic).
Even if you rate him, surely one can see that's not really a clear cut thing (and I'm being diplomatic).
In out in out in out….. that’s been my guess of Ten Haag’s future these last few months.
I’m predicting they will stick with him for now until they get their ducks in a row upstairs with Berrada, Ashcroft & Wilcox settling into their new roles. I think they’ll then give him to around Christmas time to show them he can work within their new structure and visa versa and critically, that results and performances improve with less injuries to key players and the impact of any early INEOS signings.
It also allows the likes of Southgate (oh god) and any other more suitable managerial candidates to potentially become available as it’s slim pickings right now.
The communication piece in this whole matter to date has been very poor by INEOS one way or another. This isn’t Nice FC, it’s MUFC where speculation is rife on a daily basis if you don’t manage the global media appropriately.
I’m predicting they will stick with him for now until they get their ducks in a row upstairs with Berrada, Ashcroft & Wilcox settling into their new roles. I think they’ll then give him to around Christmas time to show them he can work within their new structure and visa versa and critically, that results and performances improve with less injuries to key players and the impact of any early INEOS signings.
It also allows the likes of Southgate (oh god) and any other more suitable managerial candidates to potentially become available as it’s slim pickings right now.
The communication piece in this whole matter to date has been very poor by INEOS one way or another. This isn’t Nice FC, it’s MUFC where speculation is rife on a daily basis if you don’t manage the global media appropriately.
Big day tomorrow. Soonish thenish
Ornstein has given up
Indeed. Predicting aka guessing yet folk cling to his every word.
Exhuasting the media into submission, so they just shut up. It's genius 
I’m not reading tweets. You know nothing, I know nothing. And yes, your speculation is baseless. That’s not unique to you, everyone is guessing.
My only comment is how badly they’ve cocked it up.
You're taking it too literally. Ornstein isn't literally making predictions or going off guesswork when he publishes an article containing news
Yeah you could well be right, can't see any way we are going to appoint someone under the radar. Very likely we end up keeping him by default as no one fits what type of manager they want
I seriously hope so. It would be a fecking travesty for him to take over
There's a good reason for that.
Not a single manager in the world is guaranteed of anything, not even pip!
First time ever that I actually agree with you.
I also think they've asked Eric to do the same and he's probably drawn a line somewhere. You don't go from wanting and basically demanding that amount of control to becoming a lap dog especially if you don't really need the money.
I bet TT said something like call me when you realise no decent manager is going to sign up to be the doormat
In the Spanish speaking community, many of us call him “el calvo”, never in an insulting way. El calvo translates to bald guy.
Other nicknames we have for him in the Spanish speaking United community are: Ten Shin Han (the DBZ character you may know as Tien), diez brujas (rough translation of Ten Hag into Spanish), and hentai (I never use that one, find it offensive).
My guess is ETH staying, I am ETH out camp but this has been drag out. With managers wanting to sort out their next career move, most would not wait for United. I guess we will stick to United and if ETH continues to suck then he will be sack by Christmas with a new man appointment. Hopefully, there are few managers that available then.
Do we know who's actually making the decision on the manager? Have Berrada and Ashworth started working yet or is it just Wilcox along with the Ineos boys?
I'd hope that if the actual football people aren't in place, the non-football people would keep their noses out of it. That's how we got the last decade of mediocrity under the Glazers.
Anyways, my pick now that Tuchel isn't an option would be either Poch or just stick with EtH for another season.
I'd hope that if the actual football people aren't in place, the non-football people would keep their noses out of it. That's how we got the last decade of mediocrity under the Glazers.
Anyways, my pick now that Tuchel isn't an option would be either Poch or just stick with EtH for another season.
Both Berrada and Ashworth haven't started yet.
This is why I'm ETH in.
Give Ten Hag another season while we finalize all the backroom staff pieces since it looks like we're picking up people left and right for new roles. Once Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth are all settled in nicely they'll be able to start a blueprint for how they want to take the club forward. Such changes won't be possible over the term of 2-3 months. The current state of the club and where they want it to be will take careful planning and you don't want to rush such changes.
Just my 2c.
What I am liking about all this is that it seems there are no leaks. I am sure everything has been decided behind the scenes but no one is feeding the media as before and they are losing their minds.
We’ve basically picked a DOF who has so little clout at this level and will only convince managers like Howe, Southgate and Potter to work under him.
We were probably very serious about McKenna and he ultimately swerved us because it sounded like a recipe for failure to him. While Tuchel basically said feck that I’m not dancing to the tune of brexiteers fc
ETH obviously won’t fit in this arrangement either and now we’re fecked because that bridge is burned and the other options, RDZ, Xavi etc are not pushovers.
We were probably very serious about McKenna and he ultimately swerved us because it sounded like a recipe for failure to him. While Tuchel basically said feck that I’m not dancing to the tune of brexiteers fc
ETH obviously won’t fit in this arrangement either and now we’re fecked because that bridge is burned and the other options, RDZ, Xavi etc are not pushovers.
Dan Ashworth isn’t even working at the club yet. He’s also one of the most respected figures in all of football.
I thought Ashworth was rated very highly? There's a reason Newcastle are putting up a fight over him, no?
My initial point was directed at the multiple of posts I've seen in this very thread saying ETH deserves better or similar but yeah it's something we both agree on.
As for the bolded, that's where I think we may differ on. Considering the options available, I'm ambivalent about whether ETH goes because I don't think it's a straightforward easy decision and that's where INEOS are probably at now, hence the managerial reviews. I think the last month where ETH abandoned his suicidal 4-2-4 (with probably some influence from above), got some 'solid' results and winning the FA Cup (with a good performance no less), threw a spanner in the works from what I thought was an untenable position before i.e full sack worthy. It probably showed to them, he's not unworkable, has some redeeming qualities and I know this will be disputed, is somewhat of a 'winner', which I think is an underrated aspect not seen in the other choices (bar Tuchel, who is now seemingly out of contention).
For INEOS, who have recruited a team of decision makers, I can understand why they don't want too abrasive personalities and want someone, who can work 'under' them. So if you look at the choices, between Frank/Soutgate (shudders), Poch (now also not in contention apparently), the only remaining worthy candidate and my personal choice if I had to decide would be RDZ. I would love for us to start playing in a dominating fashion the way RDZ set up his teams but do you sack a manager (+ pay compensation), who has shown he can get results (22-23 season, League and FA Cup), risk alienating some of the fanbase when there is already goodwill because of the 'strong' finish to the season and gamble big with a fresh era? This is also after only having been in the job for 6 months where a couple of the key decision makers have not officially started yet or have been in/around the club for any meaningful timeline. From a footballing perspective on and off the pitch, it's not clear cut at all if you take all these factors into account.
For me, it's easy to see why they want to take as much time as they can.
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I agree who we appoint should be determined by what style we want him to play and if he can do it, but:
1. Any manager cannot play any style. Most managers have predominant style that they are comfortable with and they can't just up and change it. Defensive and counter-attacking coaches are especially struggling with high-press style we seem to want to play
2. INEOS reportedly having talks with managers of completely different profiles: Poch, Tuchel, De Zerbi, and Southgate, makes it very suspicious that they are emphasizing playing style
If ETH stays how does he have any credibility with the players?
Wave the FA Cup in front of them like a baton.
Beat them with the FA cup if they misbehave and refuse to submit
No sympathy for him. The way EtH treated DDG (that has given to the CLub more than EtH ever be) left a sour taste also.
It's all just business. He'll get massive compensation if the Club decide to let him go.
No more so than the club would have with ETH after the way this whole thing has played out. Even if the internal review is still ongoing, the fact that credible journos have reported that SJR met with Tuchel, would have a devastating effect on ETH's morale, almost to where he may not even want to stay on.
What’s wrong with meeting other people? City was meeting with Pep Guardiola when Pellegrini was still in charge. Liverpool met Klopp in advance when Brendan Rodgers was still managing.
Big clubs and owners talk to potential people all the time. Whether they go through with the decision or not is their decision. The manager is just an employee and has little say in that.
It’s brilliant to be honestExhuasting the media into submission, so they just shut up. It's genius
The difference here is if ETH stays, the relationship would remain tenuous at best because he would know him staying was a consolation because the likes of Tuchel weren’t interested.
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