Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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This whole situation is a disaster. Ten Hag should have been ditched the Monday after the cup final if he was going to be sacked. Statement should have been long out.
Check this thread every week or so. Nothings changed.
Looks that way, yes.
They appear to have run a process that finally settled on Tuchel, only for it to all fall apart at the final hurdle. Now they've got to choose between reviving their original shortlist, playing the waiting game with Southgate, or going crawling back to Ten Hag with their tails between their legs.
Just watch the FA Cup, city oh wait
This squad isn't good enough, it doesn't have the depth to play the system he wants and as a fan I want to see.
All season he/we could have played counter attacking, did Eth choose to do that? Mad bastard didn't, and you know what next season the players know 100% what he wants to do. Its upto them to ether leave (Varane) or buck up.
We have a mix of players for different systems, people will say they are professional footballers - but simply the skill set of someone like Maguire isn't built for high press or 1v1 same as Casemiro isn't really quick enough to play that shielding role.
By the way I'm not knocking any of them, both are very players - but there was a reason Casemiro wasn't around for the final, I think like Maguire/McTominay he was told he wasn't needed.
I also think...
But later on in the season, Bruno has been more consistent in his retention.
This is reminding more and more of the situation with US Soccer and the coach after the last World Cup. They took months and months and months...only to rehire the same milquetoast guy in the name of "consistency". The longer this drags, the less likely that they make a change.
Did I? Can you quote it please?
Yes, they were playing counter attacking...compact block.
Brighton however didn't, they was getting caught out in their own half.
Edit: It was actually very similar to the first Eth game last season.
Yeah as a recruitment consultant.
And what did you see? Defensive low block football?
Big mistake, if true imo. With the funds available I doubt we are bringing in two top class CB’s this summer. I know he has his critics but Maguire was actually one of our better and most consistent players last season. He’s also going to be a big miss for England in the Euros. We should keep him for rotation imo.
Im wondering how this situation (if really true as media can be full of s**t) can influence the situation with transfers? Surely no player will want to come before talking to a manager? And the current ones position is undermined by the board. Thats really pathetic situation for our club and new owners who were shouting „best in class„ PR bollocks.
So, of the names that are/may be available, who are we left with?
De Zerbi
Frank
Poch
Potter
Southgate
Xavi
Any others that are getable?
De Zerbi
Frank
Poch
Potter
Southgate
Xavi
Any others that are getable?
According to ESPN, Poch is out, too.
What does that have to do with RDZ
So your problem is that De Zerbi stuck to his principles and lost vs a squad that's light years ahead of his? Okay, I accept that opinion if you feel like he should adapt to the circumstances more often...but this issue would rarely arise at a club like United, as no matter who the manager is going to be, Ineos will have to build a squad that can compete with any team in the world, in order for us to win the PL and CL again.
"We would like to thank Erik for his efforts. Also, we don't know who is going to replace him yet."
That's like quitting your job before you have another lined up.
Then don't sack him and keep him. They were looking at candidates since well before the FA cup. It's astounding they needed to ramp up talks with Tuchel to realise he won't work in their structure. How thick must they be?
No, my problem is that posters are unhappy with Erik for sticking to his principles while De Zerbi is some kinda top manager for do the same.
De Zerbi is 100% right to stick to it, but even if you watch us this season we sometimes went long.
Sorry to burst your bubble mate. But;
Zidane - Bald guy
Tuchel - Combover
De Zerbi - Receding Widows Peak
Southgate has an odd hairline that’s both receding and remaining luxurious.
Poch has a thicket. He’ll probably have thick jet black hair in his coffin.
Point being ‘Bald Guy’ is just odd as a qualifier. Why refer to him like that?
As thick as most of the fans on here based on polling data.
INEOS clearly doesn't rate Ten Hag. Maybe it's not "structure", "injuries", "players", "medical staff", "the offside against Arsenal". Maybe the guy just isn't good enough
None of those are guaranteed to be better than a manager that’s won two cups in two years, and had one good season and one bad in the league.
Also, crucially… none of those have a history of recuitment. And we don’t have a recruitment team in place. Also… they’ll all mostly be happy to leave wherever they are and join United at any point in the next year.
Why appoint them now.
Because the manager has already been fatally undermined.
Trust the processing!
It wasn't just a bad season...it was epically horrendous.....like one for the ages.The worst bit is that he made it that way. Even with all the issues that have been repeated ad nauseum by his apologists,all he needed to do was drop the unnecessary stubborness and apply a tinge of pragmatism. He only did this in the last matches and the difference was clear as day.
He signed enough players to start his own team, along with youngsters who are definitely good enough. In fact, the players he inherited were his best players this season. He said we'd be much better without injuries, so he might get his chance to put his money where his mouth is.
Re Mount, it was said very early on by the likes of Simon Stone that ETH wanted to play Mount alongside Casemiro and Bruno. Exactly what he tried straight away last season. He's mental if he thought he could replace Bruno, but at no point in the season has it looked like that's what he wanted to do, and reports when we signed him said he didn't want to do that. I can only judge on that basis. Hopefully he'll get chance to try it out again next season if he's still in post. Show us what he was thinking.
Problem is, neither does Ten Hag. He was allowed that influence here and proved to be a disaster at player identification. So by default those other managers are already ahead in that area, as they can't do any worse.
And why not appoint them now? Ten Hag has given them plenty of reason to sack him. We're resetting everything anyway, so now is the time to change. Why stick with a manager through a rebuild, who you intend to sack?
Fek this is going so badly. Nobody wants the Old Trafford poisoned chalice without guarantees that can't be made.
United cooled their interest in him.
Southhgate looking more likely by the day. What a disastrous start that would be for Ineos.
It’s not even summer yet but summer is already shaping up to be another disaster.
This quote was pretty interesting "...incoming sporting director Dan Ashworth wants a "yes" manager rather than someone to challenge the recruitment department over the make-up of the squad."
I understand the principle and think it's way to build long term. But when you're a brand new football department that has yet to achieve any results it's a hard sell for veteran managers. It seems to me that either we'll stick with ETH now or get someone who's very green.
Exactly, sacking makes the most sense, but if they decide to stick wirh him, pretending like nothing has happened would be idiotic.
If they do that then they appear weak, ineffective, dithering and incapable of making decisions. They can't dos that, Ten Hag's authority would be severely compromised, and they would basically be saying "He failed our review, but we don't really know what we want, so he keeps the job anyway." That is a terrible message to send .
So we're down to Poch, De Zerbi or.... Southgate (shudders)
Might as well just fecking stick with EtH at this point, buy him a centre back that can work with Martinez, a good defensive midfielder and a reserve striker, and get to the root of the problem with the injuries. See how it goes and reassess if needs must.
They must know that Southgate would be an immediate disaster with the fan base and could turn them on Ineos. The first sign of trouble or run of bad results and you have fans that never believed in the project getting very angry and with very little hope in the manager to turn it around.
Might as well just fecking stick with EtH at this point, buy him a centre back that can work with Martinez, a good defensive midfielder and a reserve striker, and get to the root of the problem with the injuries. See how it goes and reassess if needs must.
They must know that Southgate would be an immediate disaster with the fan base and could turn them on Ineos. The first sign of trouble or run of bad results and you have fans that never believed in the project getting very angry and with very little hope in the manager to turn it around.
Its obviously Southgate isn't it 
Face saving briefings. Between the lines the message is no managerial veto on transfers.
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oh for fecks sake, one more down
It's going to be Gareth fecking Southgate isn't it?